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Advice needed on best setup for my LCD
sidneysides
06-04-2007
At the moment, with my CRT, my Freeview recorder loops through my Panasonic DMR E-55 DVD Recorder via RGB Scart, allowing me to use just the RGB input on the TV

Just taken delivery of a Hannspree 32" LCD
If I watch Freeview or DVD via SCart on this, the picture is very grainy and blocky.
I have component out on the Panasonic - would this improve the DVD picture? Would it 'upscale'?

Can I get the Freeview to loop and use the component out of the DVD recorder, or am I stuck with Scart for that? Is there any other way of improving the freeview picture?

Thanks in advance
Richard46
06-04-2007
Originally Posted by sidneysides:
“If I watch Freeview or DVD via SCart on this, the picture is very grainy and blocky.”

Just wondering if the picture is actually "blocky" could that be a reception rather than a picture quality issue?
Any chance that with setting up the new TV an aeriel plug/cable connection somewhere got damaged or some such?
Richard
mooghead
06-04-2007
I have the same dvd recorder and have just ordered a component lead to watch dvd's on my lcd using progressive scan, hopefully will see an improvement although dvd's through a normal scart are still a hell of a lot better than watching anything on my sky digibox.
sidneysides
06-04-2007
Originally Posted by Richard46:
“Just wondering if the picture is actually "blocky" could that be a reception rather than a picture quality issue?
Any chance that with setting up the new TV an aeriel plug/cable connection somewhere got damaged or some such?
Richard”

Reception is good in our area - it's not jumpy - just blurry and grainy. I thought digital, if the picture is not jumpy then it can't 'improve' like with an analogue signal, ie signal recieved - decodes - shows on TV, i that makes sense!
sidneysides
06-04-2007
Originally Posted by mooghead:
“I have the same dvd recorder and have just ordered a component lead to watch dvd's on my lcd using progressive scan, hopefully will see an improvement although dvd's through a normal scart are still a hell of a lot better than watching anything on my sky digibox.”

Is your Sky picture quite grainy and blurry like my freeview box? Does it make any difference if you feed it through your DVD Recorder?
mooghead
06-04-2007
It does look stilghtly worse going through the recorder but thats to be expected as its another 'step' for the picture to get through. Your lcd will have 2 scart inputs, just watch the freeview box 'directly'
Richard46
06-04-2007
Originally Posted by sidneysides:
“Reception is good in our area - it's not jumpy - just blurry and grainy. I thought digital, if the picture is not jumpy then it can't 'improve' like with an analogue signal, ie signal recieved - decodes - shows on TV, i that makes sense!”

Yes thats right; but at the point where the reception becomes marginal you can get pixelation or blockyness rather than poor picture quality; as I understand it anyway.
Anything slightly better and it will be as good as it gets; anything slightly worse and nothing; as I think you are saying.

Richard
sidneysides
06-04-2007
Originally Posted by Richard46:
“Yes thats right; but at the point where the reception becomes marginal you can get pixelation or blockyness rather than poor picture quality; as I understand it anyway.
Anything slightly better and it will be as good as it gets; anything slightly worse and nothing; as I think you are saying.

Richard”


Yeah - It's not pixelated - it's just not sharp like my CRT. It just seems like many LCDs when dspaying standard definition are not crisp. Unless people want to tell me otherwise

So I won't improve it my putting Freeview through Recorder, then recorder to TV via Component? ANd also, will component upsacle DVDs or does it have to be HDMI and a specific upscaling player? I was hoping my Panny would do it through component.
Nigel Goodwin
06-04-2007
If it doesn't say 'upscaling' on the DVD it doesn't do it, but your TV does it anyway. A lot depends though on how good your TV is, cheap LCD's look MUCH worse than expensives ones, the difference is huge - presumably this is a cheap set? (as I've never even heard of the make).
sidneysides
06-04-2007
Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin:
“If it doesn't say 'upscaling' on the DVD it doesn't do it, but your TV does it anyway. A lot depends though on how good your TV is, cheap LCD's look MUCH worse than expensives ones, the difference is huge - presumably this is a cheap set? (as I've never even heard of the make).”

It's here
http://www.avforums.com/forums/showt...ight=hannspree
mooghead
06-04-2007
Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin:
“If it doesn't say 'upscaling' on the DVD it doesn't do it, but your TV does it anyway. A lot depends though on how good your TV is, cheap LCD's look MUCH worse than expensives ones, the difference is huge - presumably this is a cheap set? (as I've never even heard of the make).”

There is an option via the functions button on the remote control to switch on 'progressive scan'. This will make the picture better via the component output. The component output only conveys the picture to the tv, not the sound. You will a need 'normal' composite lead to make the sound come out the telly. (Not if its wired up to home theatre though.)
Last edited by mooghead : 06-04-2007 at 13:54
sidneysides
06-04-2007
Originally Posted by mooghead:
“There is an option via the functions button on the remote control to switch on 'progressive scan'. This will make the picture better via the component output. The component output only conveys the picture to the tv, not the sound. You will a need 'normal' composite lead to make the sound come out the telly. (Not if its wired up to home theatre though.)”

You mean on the Panasonic Recorder? If I change to progressive, will it make the freeviewpicture any betterthat goes through it, or will I still hve to watch that through the Scart loopthrough?
mooghead
06-04-2007
What I have is sky digibox. It has 2 scart outputs, i goes to the DVD recorder then to the tv. The other sky scart goes straight to the tv. I always watch the sky box via the wire that goes straight from the sky box to the tv. Why do you need to watch through the dvd recorder? The progressive part is only for watching dvd's via component and will not improve the freeview picture.
Scorpio
06-04-2007
Originally Posted by mooghead:
“What I have is sky digibox. It has 2 scart outputs, i goes to the DVD recorder then to the tv. The other sky scart goes straight to the tv. I always watch the sky box via the wire that goes straight from the sky box to the tv. Why do you need to watch through the dvd recorder? The progressive part is only for watching dvd's via component and will not improve the freeview picture.”

Because one scart socket on your Sky box can deliver an RGB signal (TV scart) and the other (VCR scart) only delivers composite.

If you loop the TV scart into the DVDR and then into the TV you will be recording to DVD in RGB and then watching the looped signal on the TV in RGB.

If the cable going to the TV from Sky is from the VCR scart then you are only watching the TV in composite, hence poor TV pictures.

If the Sky VCR cable is going into the DVDR you will only be recording in composite not RGB.

Set up should be

Sky TV scart ---> DVDR AV2 (set to RGB)
DVDR AV1 (set to RGB) ---> TV AV1 (the RGB scart)

Some DVDRs (inc the E55) dont pass through the Sky signal when it's using its own tuner, in this case you can use the VCR scart connected to TV AV2 as a stop gap.

Rgds,
Scorp
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