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Results:What did you think of this episode?
Very Poor
23 (2.75%)
Poor
33 (3.94%)
Average
79 (9.44%)
Good
160 (19.12%)
Very Good
266 (31.78%)
Excellent
276 (32.97%)
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Doctor Who Series 3 Episode 2 - 'The Shakespeare Code' - 7pm 7/4/2007
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mossy2103
08-04-2007
Originally Posted by madj40:
“but the whole episode for me was just too childish with a fear factor of 0.”

Of course the Fear Factor rating is for the younger viewers . As this is family entertainment broadcast at 7pm (a whole two hours before the accepted watershed), then I would be surprised if many adults would be suitably scared to register on the Fear Factor.

For us adults, there was the sub-text running through the programme.
Last edited by mossy2103 : 08-04-2007 at 16:45
KennyT
08-04-2007
Perhaps twas because too much wine I had sipped,
but weren't there a lot of rhyming couplets in the script?
That must be quite difficult to pen,
I think I'll have to watch it again!

K
Mansun
08-04-2007
Originally Posted by stick_of_rock:
“Sorry,this is off topic but people were talking about it on earlier pages;
Did it say in the first few episodes of the first new series that it was in 2005?
because if not, it could easily be that the first couple were set in 2004, and then after Rose had disappeared for a year it could've then been 2005..”

Unfortunately not, because after Rose comes back we see the "missing" posters in Jackie's flat which say that she disappeared in March 2005, so that's when the episode 'Rose' was set, so every contemporary episode after that is pushed one year into the future.
The Slug
08-04-2007
Originally Posted by Mansun:
“Unfortunately not, because after Rose comes back we see the "missing" posters in Jackie's flat which say that she disappeared in March 2005, so that's when the episode 'Rose' was set, so every contemporary episode after that is pushed one year into the future.”

Obviously a typing error!
pepperpot
08-04-2007
I found it a letdown after the great opening episode last week. I'm not a fan of the shows with scenes set in the past (I didn't like 'The Girl in the Fireplace' last series) and the whole 'witchcraft' theme was dull for me.

On the up side I'm still lovin' Martha

Next week looks great though.

-edit- actually thinking about it I should clarify that it's the episodes set far in the past I'm not keen on - I did like 'The Empty Child' and 'The Idiot's Lantern' - so 20th century is ok
Last edited by pepperpot : 08-04-2007 at 17:43
cussywoo
08-04-2007
Originally Posted by pepperpot:
“I found it a letdown after the great opening episode last week. I'm not a fan of the shows with scenes set in the past (I didn't like 'The Girl in the Fireplace' last series) and the whole 'witchcraft' theme was dull for me.

On the up side I'm still lovin' Martha

Next week looks great though.”


i totally agree haha. i really dont like the episodes set in the past but i did really like "the girl in the fireplace" episode. thought it was really good but others like the unquiet dead and such like dont rank highly for me.
doctorwho
08-04-2007
Originally Posted by diyqueen:
“I'm with you

He wouldn't just forget rose its more life like that he remembers her and talks about her he loved her for god sake.

But can i just ask why did Will Shakespeare keep slipping into a Liverpool accent !


Like the episode loads loved the Harry Potter reference”

He sure did love her.

Did you get the "JK" reference to Rowling?
madj40
08-04-2007
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“Of course the Fear Factor rating is for the younger viewers . As this is family entertainment broadcast at 7pm (a whole two hours before the accepted watershed), then I would be surprised if many adults would be suitably scared to register on the Fear Factor.

For us adults, there was the sub-text running through the programme.”

Agreed, but the boundarys could be pushed further,Primeval gets away with it. As it stands Doctor who at the moment could quite easily be shown on CBBC and not offend/upset any child Imo.
jen0607
08-04-2007
I thought last night's ep was great. I loved the whole Shakespeare thing....they were basically saying that the Dr gave Shakespeare most of his ideas! eg Sycorax from The Tempest (Not to mention the 3 witches - Macbeth wasn't written till around 1603)
doctorwho
08-04-2007
Originally Posted by cussywoo:
“i totally agree haha. i really dont like the episodes set in the past but i did really like "the girl in the fireplace" episode. thought it was really good but others like the unquiet dead and such like dont rank highly for me.”

I'm like you. I prefer episodes in the present and the future. But I don't mind the occasional past story or creative Gitf style combination of both future and past..
mossy2103
08-04-2007
Originally Posted by madj40:
“Agreed, but the boundarys could be pushed further,Primeval gets away with it. As it stands Doctor who at the moment could quite easily be shown on CBBC and not offend/upset any child Imo.”

Going by some comments already on this thread, a number of children found the episode scary. So do we really want to see the boundaries pushed ?

It's a difficult balance.
IceHunter
08-04-2007
Originally Posted by rowanaqua:
“ I think there were also small references to Futurama and The Simpsons. Martha mentions "killing her grandfather" (Fry does this in the Roswell episode)”

This is a very old idea, ment to disprove timetravel by providing a paradox - from the days before they realised there are probably an infinite number of realities and as such there are no paradoxes - but almost nobody are good enough to write for such a world *g*
Eraserhead
08-04-2007
Probably not alot I can say without repeating what others have already said on this thread, but...

I thought it was a good, fun episode. Definitely seemed aimed more towards younger viewers, with Harry Potter references and witches straight out of countless children's stories (craggy faces, long noses, cackling laughter etc.) but plenty for adults to enjoy as well - many references to lines from Shakespeare's plays (particularly liked the Sycorax one) and it's clear the writer did his homework on the chronology of the plays (pointing out that Macbeth and Hamlet had not yet been written was fairly spot on AFAIK.)

I'm not too keen on historical DW episodes because I'm always distracted by historical accuracy (or lack of) although I thought Elizabethan London was done quite well (certainly more believable than the 12th century Sherwood Forest of Robin Hood...) - enough that I was wiling to overlook the fact that no-one (apart from Shakespeare) seemed to take much notice of a woman walking around in a red leather jacket and jeans.

And it was a delght to see the wonderful Christina Cole, who just melted my heart in the rather dismal Hex.

And Freedonia made me laugh. The Doctor is a Marx Bros fan?
IceHunter
08-04-2007
Originally Posted by amos_brearley:
“Then you believe wrong sir! The Sycorax Invasion was Christmas 2006, so the Racnoss attack must be Christmas 2007 and given Martha knows of such things, "Smith and Jones" must be set in at least 2008.”

Where did you get those dats? The racnoss was 2006 surely.
IceHunter
08-04-2007
Originally Posted by amos_brearley:
“Anyone doubting the timeframe of Doctor Who, just go to Wikipedia.”

Where anybody can write anything.
kw4121
08-04-2007
i have to say that on the third viewing "the shakespear code" was the best episode i have seen after the satan pit which was awesome imho

loved the harry potter refrences and i bed david tennent loved them too as he played barty crouch jr on the goblet of fire movie lol


i voted this one execellent
tardis_princess
08-04-2007
This is actually the best episode i have ever seen. I'm also into harry potter, and all those refrences where brill. I loved the way the doctor gave shakespere ideas and Martha is really looking good as a charecter. I thought it was great acting from everyone. Voted exellent
IceHunter
08-04-2007
Originally Posted by claire2281:
“Oh absolutely. Just pointing out that it's part of a scientific theory too and not just something in literature. ”

Its not really part of any theory, its just an image they used, probably inspired by the book where its the whole point of it. Besides, its more likely she has read a scifi book than studying chaos theory on the side while studying to become a doctor.
IceHunter
08-04-2007
Originally Posted by wattieuk:
“I thought this was an excellent episode. Not got high hopes for next weeks as it looked pap from the trailer, but I'd love Russell to surprise me with a fantastic episode. Unfortunately, I expect the Dr and Martha to arrive on New New York, look around a bit, then have some quirky music to accompagny people going about their everyday life, gay reference, mention of Saxon, face of Boe not telling us his secret, quirky characters who irritate more than entertain. I hope Im wrong, but thats what I expect to see.”

Not just one gay reference, a gay community in the sewers - all in small black tunnles so they can save on the sets
kazters
08-04-2007
I really dont understand how it has devided the fandom! i thought it was amazing ep
tardis_princess
08-04-2007
Originally Posted by kazters:
“I really dont understand how it has devided the fandom! i thought it was amazing ep”

I agree.*looks determined*
engyvoo
08-04-2007
I know it was posted yesterday but just a reminder for those who missed it. It's on again now on BBC3
Honeybeast
08-04-2007
I thoroughly enjoyed this epsiode... just a few things that got me however....

How come Martha can walk around Elizabethan England in jeans and a leather jacket and no one notices?

Why did the set look like it had been stolen from a Muppets Christmas Carrol?

Apart from that it actually took me back to old school Dr Who which I grew up watching. So all round a thumbs up from the Honeybeast household
GhyllenStillwheel
08-04-2007
i think the sets were ok ... a bit clean and everyone lookde well groomed for elizabethan times ...it is just the plots and writing that baffles me ..its so childish and cheesy most of the time ...
muffin the mule
08-04-2007
Excellent episode..well written and acted..one of the best I've seen...
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