Thanks Histeria. Although it may not seem so I do appreciate you saying that, as I was starting to feel like shit here.

I think we should stop this now, it is unfair to single out Alrightmate, that wasnt my intention in my original post which was meant as light hearted banter but came out wrong.

Sorry , AM , and certainly no victimisation or attacking intended here but I have to correct you on your recollections. In this post you've quite clearly stated the show is 'breaking it's own rules' so the subsequent posts are perfectly legitimate.
As I said , there's no victimisation intended here but at the same time we are perfectly entitled to disagree with your points and/or request further clarification just as you are entitled to disagree with us. I myself have tried to explain how the resolution 'worked' for me but it seems either no one noticed it or doesn't want to debate the point

I find it somewhat ironic that the very person who is complaining about being insulted, then resorts to insulting other forum members themselves.

I was making a point that in my opinion I prefer Dr. Who as it is at present, without a lot of scientific jargon. I did not say that no-one else was entitled to express a different opinion or that my opinion was better than any other persons.

I wasn`t even thinking of you in my post. So please do not involve me in any dispute you appear to be having.
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But it wasn't a specific sequence of words or an exact code that needed to be spoken, it just required words which could have a particular impact. The key point is that it was the minds of the audience which created the psychic energy to dispel the creatures. Shakespeare just needed to come up with the right words to make them think and feel that way, which would then be enhanced by the 'energy converter' of the theatre.

So in essence it was all about his talent to move people and affect their feelings, and the Doctor trusted in his ability to do that. No random guessing of words required.

Shakespeare raised an eyebrow - he commented on Martha's.

I imagine most people would be too polite, especially as this is London and they are probably used to foreign visitors with exotic clothing. Martha being black might have helped her, here.

Totally agree. After these first two stories I got the distinct impression that the writers (and DT himself) have really got the measure of the character of the 10th Doctor and have given him some cracking lines and situations. So much so that it's only when the episodes are viewed again I fully appreciate it.
Just leaves me wondering how things would have panned out for Christopher Ecclestone if he had stayed another year...

I think the Series 2 scripts would have been a lot different if Christopher Ecclestone had remained. There would have been none of the giggling and somewhat childish behaviour between Rose and the Doctor if he`d still been around IMHO.

I argee if Ecclestone had conyinued i think the series would have had a whole new spin on things. since DT took over the role i think that the whole series has become a bit more childish as with Ecclestone i think it was for a more adult audience and almost more darker than now.

BRING ECCLESTONE BACK, OR STOP ALL THE SLAPSTICK!

The CE series also started off very light and childish it wasnt till mid series it naturally started getting a little darker building up to it's finale. Judging by the Daleks and the Masters appearance it looks like this series could be following a similar path...hopefully

And as anyone who watched DT in the excellent drama "Recovery" recently, you'll know that he can certainly do "dark" if he's allowed to by the script and/or direction.

David is getting darker. He seems to be working better without Rose. Their relationship really got smug and annoying. The treatment of others aroud them was dire. See Tooth and Claw, Rise of the Cybermaen for the best examples of this. The Universe is about to explode and the Doctor laughs about it. Rose is in danger and the Doctor starts yelling and insulting people. Hated all of that. This season (so far) thank God the Doctor is less smug, more concerned with events happning around him and is much darker. They toned his volume down with again is good. Continue along this path and stop talking about Rose as it reminds me what was wrong with the series last year.

I agree, though I think it was meant to be part of the storyline that The Dr was taking his 'duties' to lighlty and having too much fun with Rose. But it was poorley executed on the whole and only hinted at a few times.

Fingers crossed this series will provide us with a much rounded DR and slowly the overall atmosphere will get darker towrds the end as it did with the first series, first series of re-boot that is What number is this series anyway in terms of overall Who??

Well the last series of Classic Who was season 26. (Survival DVD has the planned 27 season details.) However some say the first series of the reboot is season 27. Others say that season 27 is the TV movie. So if you count the TV movie (and as it cannon of course you have to) then this series is season 30. I hope that helps you.

the way their relationship developed felt jarred and inconsistent as one week Rose was behaving like a love sick teenager, the next incredibly jealous, GitF/RotC/AoS she seemed indifferent and then she was went to the other extreme of talking mortgages

That's women for you though - always inconsistent, go to extremes, and you never know what they are thinking (although they seem to think that we should ).

Right, I'm going to run & hide now .......

"Excellent" vote from me. I actually thought this was better than episode 1 of this new series.

I liked Rose, just so you guys know and thought Billie was fantasic. David too is showing signs of being a great Doctor.
Rose in series one was fantastic, stealing the show on many occasions. I suppose we saw her slightly in awe of everything. Series 2 as I've said I started to care less about her. Her treatment of others (along with the Doctor). It has been suggested that the idea was that they were supposed to be smug as they were heading for a fall at the end of the season. For me it didn't work. This is, I am sorry to say, the fault of the writers. However, to end on a positive and to give the writers their due this year the Doctor is improving with the story telling being the main focus of the series.
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I got to agree that Rose seem to change her behaviour all the time, Maybe we find out sometimes she was took over by the Master, explaining the change in her behaviour. Unlikely i know!

I hope the series does go darker like series one.

I also wonder how they are going explain why Martha is still in ep.3 as she was only meant to go on one trip

Thanks Tegan, 30 it is.



Exactly, I think they had a problem gelling Rose with a new Dr when she had been so idenifiable with CE. A great shame really because I thought she was superb in the first series, the character on the whole didnt really click second time around, purely down to the writing and direction of the character. That said on repeat watches of some episodes she does work a lot better.

Anyway, I have to get back to work, spent too much time reading threads here.

batting for the other side I couldn't possibly comment!

Because she enjoyed it so much, she wanted to stay, and is the Doctor really going to say no?

Often happens in the programme. The Doctor tried to take Barbara and Ian back home in the first series but it took him 2 years and then only because he used an Alien machine. He promised Tegan to take her back after 1 trip and she stayed for 3 and a half years.

unless they have received yet another summons to visit New Earth from you know who...

still he seemed pretty set on the one trip rule when she first joined him