I agree Mystic that Alex would be more suited to travel shows.
The scenery would help distract viewers from his lack of presenting style.

Btw, how do we know that Alex wouldn't like the comfort of a routine existence in a regular job, has he ever had one? I'm sure he would jump at the chance of a regular presenting job in a studio.................just like Katie.

I expect you're crossing your fingers now aren't you Mystic, hoping that Alex doesn't get a regular studio job.

We've decided to stop arguing with you Auchtung - and just take a paddle to your bottom!!

Ggggggrrrrrr...

LOL......................it'll all be over soon Eejay, when BB4 starts.

From an assessment of his personality, I do not think he would prefer the "comfort" of a mundane routine environment. Some people do, some don't; and in my considered opinion he is someone who doesn't.

He is easily bored and annoyed by repetitive routines and environments:

Evidence eg.
....Jonny and Kate's same jokes and impressions "got on his tits";
....Kate he found "uninspiring"
....He felt "institutionalised" in the BB house and couldn't wait to leave, "because it's really boring in here, same with the people....it's the same thing day after day after day after day"

So I can see him perhaps feeling the same about a generic studio presenting job which involves doing "the same thing day after day after day" on a long term basis.
Whereas in contrast, Kate, having been a telephone helpdesk worker, is accustomed to a mundane working environment and is well suited to radio call-in shows...not too far removed from dealing in a pleasant friendly telephone manner with customers, no wonder if she feels at home

So there is no doubt that Alex is the kind of person who requires fresh stimulation, unpredictability and even an element of danger. After all, this is someone who has been sky-diving, deepsea diving etc.

You are right, to be honest I would prefer not to see him doing generic presenting in something like RI:SE for example. I would much prefer to see him doing other kinds of programmes which would be more fun for me to watch (and for him to do!), and which plays to his strengths.

I disagree that he would necessarily "jump at the chance of a regular studio presenting job"........ I don't doubt Alex would unhesitatingly turn down any job he doesn't find personally appealing. And doing tv work which involves visiting Italy, S.America seems to me much more enjoyable and life experience-enhancing than turning up to a studio at an ungodly hour presenting a show no-one watches....

ps. And I think Alex's televison skills are fine, and getting better all the time.....as his most recent appearance on BAG showed -- confident with the cameras, natural with the mike, relaxed, happy, humorous, animated......

Thanks Achtung.... oh well......

I know, if I start saying nice things about Kate and Jonny, and bad things about Alex.....that will get the appropriate desired response from you I trust.....

Originally posted by Faequeen:


Story of my life.

Originally posted by Mystic_Nutmeg:


No, it's just that I see injustice going on sometimes. Custard_Cream set me off this time by calling Jonny a "pervert". I don't agree with ripping people's swimwear off but in the environment of the BB house, it seems to be accepted that it's a funny, club 18-30's type thing to do. Narinder & co did it to Brian in BB2 and someone else did it to Josh. Alex himself tried to remove Kate's bikini when they were sitting in the shower on the last Thursday. It can't be one rule for Jonny and another for the rest.

But it is so much more fun when it is

No I wouldn't consider that particular incident about Jonny trying to encourage Alex to strip naked offensive at all. I would not go as far as to call him a "pervert" on that basis alone (but I respect the view of those who argue otherwise), unless one regards naturalist exhibitionism (which Jonny admits he is) as a form of sexual perversion. Which, not being a prude, generally speaking, in itself I don't (in a pathological sense)....each to their own - within reason.....although Jonny does seem to have an overzealous desire to promote the behaviour among others as well as himself. (In psychiatry, it is officially classed as a non-pathological sexual deviance, or a sexual paraphilia)

Achtung, the only reason I offered to show custard and darling the video was for entertainment value, and not to justify any negative opinion about Jonny. I'm sorry if that was your impression of my motive (I was a bit confused by your previous post about me, cc and darling provoking you to defend Jonny, I wondered what's that about now?)

In fact, I agree, personally I found nothing particularly offensive about that particular incident. As you suggested, it was in an 18-30 club spirit that night, they had all been drinking for hours, and Jonny wanted everyone (not just Alex) to strip off, run around naked and jump in the pool..... Alex refused, as did Sophie and some others. Jonny chases him as if wanting to get hold of him, Alex runs round the lounge like penelope pitstop to escape him.....and jokingly says no, he would only do that kind of thing for money, so Jonny then offers him a fiver, to which Alex replies in mock derision "A fiver, man? I don't get out of bed for less than 2 grand"(which is why I had made it clear that, under the circumstances with which he said that, it is very possible that was made in jest (though it's not entirely clear whether he is))........But the whole atmosphere was one of half-drunken jesting and playfulness, and Jonny plainly was not meaning offence, he was I think trying to ostensibly mend fences with Alex immediately after weegate and be seen to make efforts to co-opt Alex back into 'the group' (his clique) with his idea of fun, ie. get naked and run around etc etc.

Furthermore, Alex was not being anti-fun or spoilsport in refusing to go along with Jonny's request, he was happy for the others to go ahead, but did not want to participate himself (also Sophie: "I'm not doing something I know I'll regret"; Alex: "I've already been in my union jack g-string, and that's as far as I'm going")., and in fact was instrumental in preventing BB from spoiling their fun......
Jonny and a couple of others stripped and jumped in the pool, and Alex was called into the DR to remind them that using the pool when drunk was against the pool safety regulations....but Alex was asked for his opinion and decision on the matter and Alex goodnaturedly answers, "My decision is, yes they are under the influence, but I think they'll be OK", thus allaying BB's safety concerns, and allowing Jonny &co to continue to have their naked fun. Good for Alex !

ps. I think this is my first post ever 'defending' Jonny .......Achtung your turn to say something bad about him now?
Last edited by mystic_nutmeg : 18-04-2003 at 01:00

Originally posted by Mystic_Nutmeg:


I know, I can hear gasps going up on the forum. You'll have some answering to do now, wait til Eejay comes along.


I can't, he's my brother, lol.

Joking aside, thanks for your reply and I fully agree with you here, your explanation of the reasons for the behaviour of the housemates in this particular episode seems to be spot on. I'm actually more on Alex and Sophie's side (if "side" is the right word) anyway because it must be a very awkward situation to be in, you know Jonny means no harm but you don't actually want your clothes yanked off you but then you don't want the nation to think you're a killjoy either. They took it in good spirits and seemed to get out of it unscathed.

This whole 18-30's shananigans thing, I hope it gets heavily counterbalanced if it starts to develop in BB4. Remember, the programme is on the whole organic.

Thanks achtung, I agree with your comments here. (Maybe we should make more of a habit of doing this, in the interests of forum harmony etc)

I too would hate BB4 to be hijacked into Club18-30 by Kate/Jonny/Alison followers of their recipe for (imo, undeserved) popularity. Sadly their successful precedent means that might be the case though, and also as BB starts being seen more and more as a platform for a tv career -- in the same way as other reality shows or even Blind Date became -- thus there may be less 'real characters' willing to stick their neck out on a "this is who I am, this is what I'm like, I'm not afraid to speak my mind even if it makes me unpopular, like me or hate me" basis like Jade and Alex, and risk early eviction (as they both did, almost becoming the first 2 out, she in wk1 but was saved by the hatchet job on Lynne, and he escaped wk2 by the skin of his teeth).

It wasn't only Tim who referred to BB3 as a pantomime thanks to the Jonny/Kate/Alison axis. (Why do axis-es of evil always come in trios?!) -- I was rewatching Sunita's 'eviction' interview with Dermot immediately after walking out of the house, and obviously she was being grilled about her decision, and she described it in there as, quote, "a MASSIVE pantomime" (her emphasis).

Alex didn't TRY, he succeeded!

Also Jonny and Alex removed Jade and Kate's Bikinis in the pool earlier in the week. (The girls had intended to do the same to the guys but weren't quick enough)

Those are not incidents I would consider perverted... High spirits more like, whilst under the influence.

There were, however, numerous other instances where Jonny's behaviour struck me as extremely creepy and turned my stomach.

A reminder of a comment by Alex's dad Richard.

"Richard: ...............years of trailing around London and abroad, doing castings and getting told 99 times out of 100 that you aren't what they want? Day in, day out - 9 - 10 castings per day. Hard grind. Soul destroying......................."


From this it would appear that Alex does have it in him to settle for a mundane routine job and spent many years practising that routine, which I think is a more reliable indication of what he would or wouldn't do, as opposed to relying on his outlook from getting bored for a few weeks in a Youth Hostel last year, methinks.

Um........ not altogether sure I understand the logic in that bystander.

You're obviously not an artist Bystander a man of passion wouldn't have seen this as a mundane feature of Alex's personality.

Passion is about striving to achieve what you know in your head is right for you, you are driven at all cost to satisfy that need and ultimately suceed.

The mundane is repeatedly practicing a move through habit with no end vision.

How many celebrated writers have had to take overwhelming rejection before they met a lucky break. It doesn't make them less noteworthy or boring individuals nor suggest that they should have given up and sought alternative work in bookshops.

How many climbers have tried repeated to conquer Everest and died in the attempt? Should they have given up and been satisfied to become steeplejacks?

So you are totally way off in your suggestion that 'repeated action' = the mundane simply because you don't take the whole picture into account.

If everyone abandoned their vision - the whole world would be a very mundane place indeed.

It was suggested that Alex doesn't have the temperament to do a regular day in day out presenting job because he would find it boring, I think he has.

Yes, that does explain it. You misunderstood that mystic was talking about preference rather than ability.

Of course he has - as you highlighted earlier when you quoted Richard.
As darling points out, it is Alex's choice not his inability.

mystic though does not preclude that Alex would not choose to do a mundane job, she points out that he will avoid it where other choices are available, as currently, they are.

If the time arrives when there is only a choice of mundane jobs, then as faequeen expressed, it will be Alex's passion to reach his end goal which will enable him to do a mundane job - a job you agree he is capable of.

Between you all, there is now a full circle - Alex is choosing what he prefers, and when there is a time little is available which is prefered, he is capable of doing it. You are all agreed.
Congratulations.

I can understand the passion of a writer a musician or an artist, they actually produce an end product and want to be recognised for their works, although most of them are just churning it out trying to make a living like the rest of us. They only start pontificating about their art when they become famous.

A model is fortunate enough to have been born with the looks that some advertisers are prepared to pay them money for, to help sell their products. All they have to do is just turn up at castings and hope someone picks them for the way they look. They have no artistic input, except when they do that walk down the catwalk, they are told what to wear and how to pose and rely on the artistic ability of the photographer to make him/her look good.

I fail to see what the goal of a model actually is, unless it's the desire to just be famous, other than that, if you look past the glamour, doing the bread and butter catalogue work that non famous models are dependent on, would be regarded by most people as mundane.

Yes, I thought I might get caught with that one, I was hoping to get away with it.

At least you're honest.