BBC counts McGann (and his TV movie) as canon, and so therefore it's canon. It's only the fans who have ever doubt its canonicity (and there are multiple reason why they should want this to be the case *cough*halfhuman*cough*).

HOWEVER, as we all know, nothing is ever 100% canonical in Dr Who - concepts from change, are rewritten of just plain ignored all the time - there is no reason to assume this will change. RTD doesn't need to explain the Master's return. An "I thought you were dead" line is quite enough for everyone.

yeah apparently there's an episode coming up where the doctor explores being human. o0

The Master could have returned after the TV movie but before this series' finale (if he IS in the finale). He might have been involved with the Time War - Dalek Agent or something.

then he is an ignorant ass because like it or not mcgann was the doctor to succeed mcoy

But he does count him as canon!!! In fact I read some where that he didn't approve of the common misconception that it was NOT canon, just because of a plot detail which might not even be true.

I wouldn't get worked up. To my knowledge, RTD has never so much as hinted that McGann isn't canon in his mind. I guess this nonsense comes from people overanalysing a gag he made in Queer as Folk before he even started working on the Dr Who (on TV).

of corse mgann is cannon! or else how is DT the 10th doctor

I was quite fond of mcgann. the storyline however is a different matter.

Considering the first thing we heard about all this was 'John Simm is playing the Master' I'm thinking this is definitely true. No-one jumped to that conclusion, that was the info that was found out. It wasn't like 'John Simm is playing Mr Saxon' and then everyone said 'oh, he must be the Master', it was said he was the Master before anyone even knew he was playing Saxon.

I can't help thinking that Jack Harkness has something to do with it. Whatever happened to him is maybe related to the Time Lords. He isn't a Time Lord himself (or at least he wasn't...) but perhaps his regenerative abilities were given to him through the Master's essence inside the Tardis being put into him when Rose resurrected him at the end of series 1.

I can't help thinking that one of Russell T Davies's plans all along was to make sure the Tardis got opened at some point so the Master could escape somehow.

Am i the only one who thinks that Mr Saxon isn't gonna be a bad guy or The Master, and that even if he is a bad guy, it would just be in the sense of Harriot Jones - a typical weasly politician, except with a bit more testosterone and adrenaline thrown in.

The movie is obviously counted as canon as Tennant is the 10th doctor. In that, the master is sucked into the Tardis.

Now, if we are to believe that Mr Saxon is the master, it is quite possible that he escaped the tardis either when Margaret Slitheen connected with it or when Rose opened it. On both occassions, this was on present day earth. If the master does not have a TARDIS, adn Mr Saxon is the master, that would explain him being on modern day earth, as that is where the Dr unknowingly left him.

Mister Saxon = Master No Six

these lot like there anagrams.........

As I mentioned in another thread, RTD has said that people who don't count the TV Movie or Paul McGann are "tiny, frothing pedants". Of course he counts him.

a whois search though shows badwolf.org as registered to the bbc, whilst 'vote saxon' is registered by Peter Ould??

And that doesn't sound like a made up name to you?

id like to see mcgann and eccleston and tennant in a modern 3 Doctors story but i honestly think that RTD is very selfish in giving true fans what they want to see "ill just slip a davros remark here" my son loves davros and he has never even seen a davros episode but i got him the remote davros and he thinks its awsome and always asks when he is going to be on Dr Who.

p.s the cat just kicks away the remote dalek but he leaves the room when the remote davros is out.
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There are a few DVDs of the older Who's that feature Davros, Im sure your son would love them. 'Genesis of the Daleks' being the best.
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It's not a BBC site. It's a fan site. The BBC won't hide behind fake names or put up a site without a disclaimer that it's linked to the show.

But then if the Google ads can't convince you of this, maybe nothing will.

That would be "fantastic". They should be able to do a full Ten Doctors story but with the older doctors shown just in clips of something. I think it could be done.

I read on OG Eccleston walked out of an interview a few months back because they asked him about DW. Him coming back is unlikely to say the least

What a shame. I wished McGann had come back. He wanted to reprise the role.

You dont understand the point the UNIT mention means nothing since its not made by the BBC, unless they have a very good idea to make it look as much as a fan website as possible.

Genesis is excellent, by far the best Dalek story ever made. It's quite dark mind - real behind the sofa stuff in parts

I know he offered to do a regen scene - not sure his offer extended beyond that. Having said that, if it was only a 13 ep run (as per Eccleston) we would have been much better served in the long term if it had been McGann doing that run, IMO.

Or there is a new race of immortals being created by the Professor, who are also able to rise from the dead like Lazarus. That way, the Doctor would not be alone in eternity but he would be the last of his kind.
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