[jonny p]

Just bought a Digihome 37723HD 37" LCD TV with freeview
for £499 -Tesco extra 'scoop' purchase. I've no experience of LCD other than my PC monitor .Firstly on setting it up its too big for the lounge but hey ho I've got it now.The picture is bright, contrast good,colour good, overall experience is 'WoW' compared with 10 year old crt which preceded it.
BUT
on most freeview films the picture doesnt seem to keep up with the action...walking people in scenes kind of blur...leave a trail.Talking faces are sometimes really weird , like 'morphing' almost, like instead of the the mouth going up and down the shape of the head changes!
Is this a general artifact of LCD screens or is it 'cos my telly was cheap? Does it mean a slow refresh rate, like on PC monitors? Nowhere can I find a detailed spec on this model.Does anyone know the spec of it? It just says HD ready on the (huge) box. No mention of resolution or anything like that.
Otherwise it has HDMI, two scarts, S VHS inputs ,teletext, common interface slot , integrated DVB _T, NTSC playback and stereo sound.
Do all big LCD blur images in the way I describe ?Or should i have spent more?
Thanks for any feedback

[Nigel Goodwin]

The effect is worse the cheaper the set is - if you put a cheap LCD against an expensive one the difference in picture quality (and not just motion blur) is huge!.

A 37 inch set for that price is obviously a very low spec one, you generally get what you pay for (to some extent!).

[Catbed]

Sign I saw in a commercial premises the other day:
"Buy cheap, buy twice"

[hammersfan]

I bought a 32" Acoustics Solutions LCD from argos that was £400 and it was awful - watching football was terrible as it kept jumping.

The problem was they never really advertised the specs but I found out the response was 12ms and contrast ratio 600:1 so I took it back.

Got a 32" from Evesham that was £100 more but had response of 8ms and contrast ratio of 1000:1 and has been absolutely brilliant.

Even keeps up with my pro evo on the playstation as long as I set the game to 60hz.

So as the earlier poster said you do get what you pay for though you don't necessarily have to go to a really expensive one to get decent specs but this may not be the case if you specifically want a 37".

[Captain Cod]

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Originally Posted by jonny p

....Firstly on setting it up its too big for the lounge but hey ho I've got it now... ... Do all big LCD blur images in the way I describe ?Or should i have spent more?

You should have spent less, in fact. Take the horrible thing back as it's not fit for purpose. Have a look at some of the sub-£400 32" LCDs that are around now - for example the Orion 32082 from Dixons.co.uk, stocked in Currys too. (Ask if they'll do it for £380). 1000:1 contrast. Twin HDMI ports. Getting good first impressions elsewhere. Put the money you save towards a Freeview PVR. Orion make a large proportion of Toshiba TVs. Here's a translated German review... Click on "Opinions".

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[jonny p]

OK all thanks for your feedback and I take note of your comments. But before I rush to return it I want to make sure my experience is not just a subjective one....i.e. I've no experience of other sets to judge it against.
For example if i could track down the spec on it...i could compare it and make a bit more informed judgement.
Digihome must presumably be a badged up Chinese manufacturer but i can't find any useful references to it. Then theres the missus who just wanted a huge telly and doesn't give a fig for motion blur on Coronation Street...persuading her it must go back will be no mean feat...

[hammersfan]

That's women for you.........always want a few more inches.

You need to persuade her (as I'm sure you have before) that it's quality not size that counts!!

My brother has a bush 37" lcd and he's happy with it - copes with sport etc.

As I said earlier the response time needs to be 8ms or less with a contrast ratio of at least 1000:1.

If you are finding it hard to get the specs (as I did with the acoustics solutions one I originally bought) then that usually spells trouble as they know the specs are average but don't want to advertise it!

[thms]

it could be a vestel product

[Tony Boman]

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonny p

OK all thanks for your feedback and I take note of your comments. But before I rush to return it I want to make sure my experience is not just a subjective one....i.e. I've no experience of other sets to judge it against.
For example if i could track down the spec on it...i could compare it and make a bit more informed judgement.
Digihome must presumably be a badged up Chinese manufacturer but i can't find any useful references to it. Then theres the missus who just wanted a huge telly and doesn't give a fig for motion blur on Coronation Street...persuading her it must go back will be no mean feat...

If she wants a few inches more, how about a 42" plasma for 499 again at Argos. Maybe they would swap it:

http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Produc...er=COJUN&SID=1

You will not get motion blur, but might get some other issues with a plasma this cheap

I am in no way recommending this TV, just offering another "lots of inches for little money" alternative.

I guess if they would swap it, you could always take this one back if it was no better.

[kriss57]

If you read avforums first you will find the best 37" LCD for under £500 is a Hannspree JT02 with a 24 month guarantee from a company called intekx. I have had mine about a month and is excellent.

[jonny p]

hammersfan-that's great, comments much enjoyed, including my colleagues at work this pm! Good job it wasn't me that was worried about getting a big one, eh?
So further research suggests this is a TECHWOOD model..or maybe techwood are also badging it... they do a 37722 model..but then like Digihome they are a bit of an elusive outfit...BUT the spec for the aforementioned includes an 8ms response time;which I gather is quite respectable.
So maybe Motion blur is not simply a function of response time?
Any comments anyone on
1) Techwood?
2) Response time vis a vis motion blur?
I have broached the subject of it going back.....I may not survive to post again....

[thms]

there are 100 comments on the techwood tv here, and several pictures too

http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/produ...122995&_LOC=UK

LCD TV Response Time: Why it's Important

http://www.lcdtvbuyingguide.com/lcdt...onsetime.shtml

Quote:

Originally Posted by hammersfan

That's women for you.........always want a few more inches.

You need to persuade her (as I'm sure you have before) that it's quality not size that counts!!

My brother has a bush 37" lcd and he's happy with it - copes with sport etc.

As I said earlier the response time needs to be 8ms or less with a contrast ratio of at least 1000:1.

If you are finding it hard to get the specs (as I did with the acoustics solutions one I originally bought) then that usually spells trouble as they know the specs are average but don't want to advertise it!

I am in the market for a cheap largish HD LCD but does 4000:1 mean that it will be above average or below?
Ta

[thms]

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Originally Posted by jamesclewlow

I am in the market for a cheap largish HD LCD but does 4000:1 mean that it will be above average or below?
Ta

with new sets showing higher contrasts ratios, it wont be long before its below average. i would say it's above, but not for long. the Toshiba 42C3030DB 42 '' LCD is 4000:1, while the Toshiba 37C3030DB 37" LCD is 5000:1 (£638.86) http://www.digitaldirectuk.com/produ...oduct_id=12650

[Catbed]

I know from reading reviews on computer screens over the last few years that response time is a factor in 'motion performance' but not by any means definitive. Some screens with faster responses looked worse than 'slower' ones.

We looked at a Sony Bravia with 8ms specced and it looked very blurry to us when faces moved across the screen (source was a BlueRay disc),

[Osamede]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catbed

Sign I saw in a commercial premises the other day:
"Buy cheap, buy twice"

Not necessarily true. You can buy expensive and waste money - probbaly far more easy to waste money that way - and costs more.

That said there are many cheap electronics that may not be up to far - and a few that will and be great value.

The catch is knowing which ones. Takes research and being ready to buy when you find it. In that respect, wasnt a good idea to buy first and then ask if it was a good buy!

I suspect that the 50HZ refresh rate may be one culprit. They may also have skimped on the processor inside the TV. And my impression is that all LCD TV's struggle with action. While Plasma screens refesh instantaneously, the best LCD'S take 8ms and older ones twice as long.

The expensive ones have avarier of means to compensate for this, including higer refresh rates and other tricks. But they are compensating still. I think you'd have to spend like £800-900 on a 37" LCD to overcome this issue.

But dont despair, there may be settings in your TV that can be adjusted to help. I would do some fiddling and experimenting with it. That is part of the battle in turning a cheap buy into a good value.

[jonny p]

In conclusion;
We decided to keep the digihome ;simply because sometimes there is no smearing or motion blur...othertimes its terrible.But as sometimes its OK we decided its the type of broadcast that determines the degree of motion blur.
The rule seems to be;
'Current' broadcasts ie news, football matches,no problem-Man U versus AC milan brilliant!
Soap operas ie coro, eastenders;terrible
DVD films generally good
Freeview films; can be 'smeared'
Pressing the 'film' mode button doesn't appear to do anything
If the telly was inherently awfull everything would be bad...but it isnt. So we can't blame the telly for everything!

[coopermanyorks]

Hi

With a response time of 8ms and contrast ratio of 600:1

what are the thoughts on this one ,the reviews on the page seem good
and lots of them

http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/124743/rb/27329573912

@ £339

Do Ebuyer sell extended warranties ?

[thms]

Quote:

Originally Posted by coopermanyorks

Hi

With a response time of 8ms and contrast ratio of 600:1

what are the thoughts on this one ,the reviews on the page seem good
and lots of them

http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/124743/rb/27329573912

@ £339

Do Ebuyer sell extended warranties ?

the mirai DTL-332M200 £330.00

http://www.pixmania.co.uk/uk/uk/5425...tml?srcid=4017

http://www.mirai.eu/Europe/ProductDe...d=55&cat_id=43

or the mirai DTL-632V200 £380.00

http://www.1staudiovisual.co.uk/cata...amp;ref=kelkoo

http://www.mirai.eu/Europe/ProductDe...d=46&cat_id=43

MIRAI introduces a three year warranty on all LCD TV products

http://www.mirai.eu/Europe/Home

mirai thread on the avforum

http://www.avforums.com/forums/showt...433272&page=77

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Last edited by thms : 28-04-2007 at 15:39.

[coopermanyorks]

Quote:

Originally Posted by thms

the mirai DTL-332M200 £330.00

http://www.pixmania.co.uk/uk/uk/5425...tml?srcid=4017

http://www.mirai.eu/Europe/ProductDe...d=55&cat_id=43

or the mirai DTL-632V200 £380.00

http://www.1staudiovisual.co.uk/cata...amp;ref=kelkoo

http://www.mirai.eu/Europe/ProductDe...d=46&cat_id=43

MIRAI introduces a three year warranty on all LCD TV products

http://www.mirai.eu/Europe/Home

mirai thread on the avforum

http://www.avforums.com/forums/showt...433272&page=77

Hi

Are pixmania based in the Uk ? I have read on Av forums they are based in France and the power leads are European and not Uk

[Nigel Goodwin]

Quote:

Originally Posted by coopermanyorks

Are pixmania based in the Uk ? I have read on Av forums they are based in France and the power leads are European and not Uk

My only comment would be about the legallity of selling a European plugged item in the UK - Dixon's were fined for doing so just a few years ago, which is really pretty unfair as it's not them who put the wrong lead in the sealed box!.

We actually contacted Trading Standards about this, because as a retailer we could find ourselves in the same situation - they told us that the retailer is personally responsible for the wrong mains lead inside a sealed box, and that we were expected to open every box and check the mains lead was the correct UK. We then queried their position on opening and resealing all boxes, and they weren't happy about that idea either (even though it was their suggestion) - so basically you can't win either way!.

Anyway, had a quick look, Piximania is actually a division of Dixons!

[thms]

Quote:

Originally Posted by coopermanyorks

Hi

Are pixmania based in the Uk ? I have read on Av forums they are based in France and the power leads are European and not Uk

hmm. i read they provide european to uk adaptors.
misco is a uk company, but they are £40 dearer.
http://www.misco.co.uk/applications/...482&Sku=133454
i like their photo gallery
http://www.misco.co.uk/applications/...Tab=1&NoMapp=0

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Last edited by thms : 28-04-2007 at 17:03.

[thms]

just spotted this.. in techfever
same specs as the mirai but only £342.41

AOC L32W551T
http://www.techfever.co.uk/products.asp?partno=266170
http://www.aoc-europe.com/lcdtv_L32W551T.html

[coopermanyorks]

thanks for all the info

[roddydogs]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony Boman

If she wants a few inches more, how about a 42" plasma for 499 again at Argos. Maybe they would swap it:

http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Produc...er=COJUN&SID=1

You will not get motion blur, but might get some other issues with a plasma this cheap

I am in no way recommending this TV, just offering another "lots of inches for little money" alternative.

I guess if they would swap it, you could always take this one back if it was no better.

think youll find thats on 32" not 42"
how about the website"Plasma Solution" 42" Sharp 1080P for £600 ? Discuss- i think it a Phillipino site?