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Old 14-08-2014, 16:58
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This sounds great then - I would love to see a two-hander, or at least an episode where Dean talks very openly about everything that's going on.
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Old 14-08-2014, 19:59
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Okay erm that was an interesting ending!

Not sure I liked that look he gave at the end.
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Old 14-08-2014, 20:07
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Okay erm that was an interesting ending!

Not sure I liked that look he gave at the end.
It pointed to a future rape IMO. He must think she likes rough sex.
And now its clear what the "what its like to go through that" was referring to LINDA
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Old 14-08-2014, 20:10
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It pointed to a future rape IMO. He must think she likes rough sex.
And now its clear what the "what its like to go through that" was referring to LINDA
I really hope that is not the case as it would destroy the character of Dean and I don't want that for Linda either tbh. I am worried though that that is exactly where they are taking this storyline.
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Old 14-08-2014, 20:25
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I really don't want it to be a rape storyline. I don't know what else it could be though...
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Old 14-08-2014, 20:41
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Me too. I was hoping that this episode would show that they weren't going to go down that route by having him be nervous and having to be drunk to try and kiss her. I hoped that the end would show him being upset about being rejected but he certainly didn't look upset.

Also if they did go down that route then I doubt we will have him opening up about prison as they couldn't risk making it seem like they were justifying his behaviour with his past experiences.
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Old 14-08-2014, 20:48
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Although it is true that rape is normally about power rather than attraction. I can only see it happening in more of a date rape type scenario with Dean being either unable or unwilling to stop. But that might need Linda to start off being a willing participant and then change her mind. I don't know really. I still hope it will be more about Dean the victim and his state of mind and him failing to recognise that she's not interested without going as far as rape.
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Old 14-08-2014, 20:50
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Okay erm that was an interesting ending!

Not sure I liked that look he gave at the end.
I thought the look meant that he interpreted her slapping him as her being secretly attracted to him, as there is a fine line between love and hate. The opposite of love is indifference as hate implies some feeling. Also when he kissed her, he got a reaction out of her (the slap).

Dean is fascinating to watch though.
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Old 14-08-2014, 20:54
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Although it is true that rape is normally about power rather than attraction. I can only see it happening in more of a date rape type scenario with Dean being either unable or unwilling to stop. But that might need Linda to start off being a willing participant and then change her mind. I don't know really. I still hope it will be more about Dean the victim and his state of mind and him failing to recognise that she's not interested without going as far as rape.
Rape is usually about power and control but here are very rare cases where a man who fancies/loves a woman can sexually lose control, resulting in rape (remember David Platt came very close to raping Tina and Mark Fowler came very close to raping Lisa - though both stopped themselves going through with it and both were essentially good men). I don't know how it will play out with Dean and Linda though (if indeed it does result in rape - he may just stalk her).
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Old 14-08-2014, 20:56
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Me too. I was hoping that this episode would show that they weren't going to go down that route by having him be nervous and having to be drunk to try and kiss her. I hoped that the end would show him being upset about being rejected but he certainly didn't look upset.

Also if they did go down that route then I doubt we will have him opening up about prison as they couldn't risk making it seem like they were justifying his behaviour with his past experiences.
He was a bit drunk.
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Old 14-08-2014, 20:58
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Although it is true that rape is normally about power rather than attraction. I can only see it happening in more of a date rape type scenario with Dean being either unable or unwilling to stop. But that might need Linda to start off being a willing participant and then change her mind. I don't know really. I still hope it will be more about Dean the victim and his state of mind and him failing to recognise that she's not interested without going as far as rape.
BIB: That's what I want as well. His time in prison has been mentioned far too many times for them not to mention what happened there and so I'm thinking maybe he becomes so obsessed, he has a shrine to her or something? Then people find it and realise just how much help he needs.
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Old 14-08-2014, 21:00
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I thought the look meant that he interpreted her slapping him as her being secretly attracted to him, as there is a fine line between love and hate. The opposite of love is indifference as hate implies some feeling. Also when he kissed her, he got a reaction out of her (the slap).

Dean is fascinating to watch though.
Yeah that makes sense. He clearly didn't see the slap as her rejecting him. Seems like he likes the idea of the chase.
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Old 14-08-2014, 21:09
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BIB: That's what I want as well. His time in prison has been mentioned far too many times for them not to mention what happened there and so I'm thinking maybe he becomes so obsessed, he has a shrine to her or something? Then people find it and realise just how much help he needs.
They could have easily brushed it under the carpet but they had him specifically mention it in his rant to Shirley so I assume it will be explored. Like I said they would have to be careful not to use it to in any way justify rape if they were going to go that route. Could be too risky. I think the obsession idea is a far better and unusual one.
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Old 14-08-2014, 21:27
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They could have easily brushed it under the carpet but they had him specifically mention it in his rant to Shirley so I assume it will be explored. Like I said they would have to be careful not to use it to in any way justify rape if they were going to go that route. Could be too risky. I think the obsession idea is a far better and unusual one.
I agree, using it as any sort of justification would be very wrong.

Someone on the main forum has said that Dean could be using cocaine and how Dean keeps wiping his nose with his hand - I've noticed this and just thought it was Matt!
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Old 14-08-2014, 21:31
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I agree, using it as any sort of justification would be very wrong.

Someone on the main forum has said that Dean could be using cocaine and how Dean keeps wiping his nose with his hand - I've noticed this and just thought it was Matt!
Yes I saw that. I did notice him do it tonight but can't say I had before! Could be a way to tie him to the Lucy story (they did focus on him watching the cctv footage) and I wouldn't be surprised if he is in some way.
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Old 14-08-2014, 22:53
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Yes I saw that. I did notice him do it tonight but can't say I had before! Could be a way to tie him to the Lucy story (they did focus on him watching the cctv footage) and I wouldn't be surprised if he is in some way.
It kind of looks like Dean got off the bus too, just from looking at the back of one of the guys....
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Old 15-08-2014, 08:12
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I'll have to have another look later on. At the moment we have no idea where he was that night - was he still hanging some around Albert Square or was he elsewhere. He must have an alibi video for some reason.
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Old 16-08-2014, 00:46
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I really do feel it's time we start getting to know a bit more about Dean now. There's a post on the main forum, that i don't agree with entirely, but points out that he seems like a plot device and i can see what they mean.

He has bags of back story but it hasn't been mentioned, where has he been for 6 years? His past exploits in Walford. Sean. Why hasn't he mentioned Kevin? The latter is criminal imo.

His best scenes are with Stan, imo, there's warmth there.

I hope when Stacey is back they have some decent catch up scenes between them, but i'm not holding my breath.
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Old 16-08-2014, 09:15
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Is that the Dean being a creep thread? I started reading then stopped as it was all rather negative!

I don't see how he's any more of a plot device than anyone else as they often ignore a characters past until they need it for a storyline but I do agree that we need to know more about him and hopefully we will. I am disappointed we didn't get to see him going to see Denise and have had no scenes of them since the one they have had. Also there have been no scenes with him and Shabnam despite her seeming pleased that he was back. Either of them could have asked him what he's been up to.

He has mainly interacted with the Carters which I guess adds to the theory of him being a plot device for some Carter based storyline. He is around for a year at least though so I'm hoping there is more to his return than being a plot device though.
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Old 16-08-2014, 09:47
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I guess though if he is only around for a year better to be a plot device and be involved in a big storyline than spend the year drinking in the Vic and shagging girls...
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Old 16-08-2014, 11:16
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I don't see how he's any more of a plot device than anyone else as they often ignore a characters past until they need it for a storyline but I do agree that we need to know more about him and hopefully we will. I am disappointed we didn't get to see him going to see Denise and have had no scenes of them since the one they have had. Also there have been no scenes with him and Shabnam despite her seeming pleased that he was back. Either of them could have asked him what he's been up to.

He has mainly interacted with the Carters which I guess adds to the theory of him being a plot device for some Carter based storyline. He is around for a year at least though so I'm hoping there is more to his return than being a plot device though.
I completely agree that he should be integrating more with characters in the square like Denise and Shabnam. He knows them!

I will be very disapointed if there isn't more to his return.
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Old 16-08-2014, 12:00
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I think we will definitely learn more about his time in prison as otherwise it wouldn't have been mentioned. Maybe this will be when he reconciles with Shirley. I don't think we will learn much about what he's done since he left though unless the plot calls for it.

There is a lot of scope for the character so it would be a shame if he has just been brought back to cause havoc for the Carters. Like I said though, if he is just back for a year then I'd prefer him do something big than nothing much at all. Ideally he'd be back for more than that though and we'll get to see him getting over the past or at least dealing with it to the point that he can move on from it and have a normal life (well as normal as you can in Walford!)
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Old 16-08-2014, 14:43
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Yeah i agree Mel. At least we know he's there till March/April time.
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Old 17-08-2014, 11:39
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Matt did a PA last night and there are some very nice comments about him on Twitter.
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Old 17-08-2014, 22:15
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Aww that's great. It's lovely to see how many people are saying how nice Matt is - that really comes across in interviews as well.

Matt seems to be filming a lot at the moment so I would guess that there will be lots more scenes in late September/October that may include more details about Dean's time away...
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