quite! vintage champagne at times and then you have the extreme of cheap plonk that is 'dressed' to look like the expensive stuff!

I admit that I tend not to join in too much. I do enjoy reading threads but, in truth, I like mainly to keep my opinions to myself. Bad FM I know, but that's me !

I have a list of 'what not to talk about' that includes Religion, Politics and Football because they all invoke huge feeling and lead to many an argument. Sometimes I suspect I may have to add Dr Who to that list

Anyway ... does it really matter that I don't partake on a regular basis ?

Tell you one reason I started this thread. Believe me, I don't really care how much Dr Who, or any other show, is analysed it's just that I don't like doing it myself.

Many years ago (mid 1980's I think) there was a drama series on BBC 1 called 'By The Sword Divided', set during the English Civil War.

A very good friend of mine was a member of the English Civil War Society and was REALLY looking forward to watching it.

However, once he sat down to watch it he kept pointing out that the Muskets were not right, the food didn't look right for the period, the girl's dresses were wrong, even down to the fact that the shoes were wrong. It just went on and on. He watched every episode but couldn't tell me what happened because he had been so distracted - it took all his enjoyment away and I thought it was very sad (in the old fashioned sense of the word).

You have to ask whether you have a season of average maybe fairly good stories but nothing that stands out or a season of below par stories but some real gems. I hope Human Nature is a cracker because series 3 so far has not produced a really bad story unlike 1 and 2 but has not produced a Girl in the Fireplace (which we had at this stage last year) or Empty Child yet. However I know I am jumping the gun as we've only had 4 of the 13 stories so far. It's just a feeeling I've got.

I suppose in your friend's case he couldn't help but notice the errors, but in that situation I'd be more likely to not watch again. As you've said in a previous post, TV is for entertainment and if we're continuously looking out for errors it's bound to spoil our enjoyment.

I must admit I do tend to notice if a background is badly dubbed but I don't sit scrutinising the backgrounds of every programme I watch hoping to spot one!

Mind you, I am a bit of a bore if I've read a book before watching a dramatisation. I do have a tendency to keep saying "It wasn't like that in the book", usually until I want to hit myself. So anyone watching with me must surely want to.

I can't take this seriously as a OP would never happen like this in real life

Actually, I do admit that I am the same there. As much as I try to I just can't help thinking that the characters just aren't as I imagined.

I think we all analyse to a degree, it's just that I don't think I could spot half of the 'errors' reported even if I tried. Mind you, by the time I do get to sit down and watch, I'm so darned tired that it could be staring me in the face and I wouldn't notice

It think you are right when you say that the storyline is the key. I also think that attention to detail is quite important too because it shows how much the creators care about the quality of the show they are producing. There's a great scene in Heroes (which I won't detail as it's not been shown over here yet, I'll just say it has to do with a car number plate ) which was so subtle yet showed how much the creators cared about the show. Remember that old Cyberman helmet in the episode "Dalek"? Such a tiny thing yet a load of people got a kick from it. Tiny details = large care for the show

Are you sure your not being overly critical of people's critism

No, I'm not being critical - or at least I didn't mean to be !

God yes definitely. From my experience it's just as bad with Buffy/Angel fans
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I totally agree that we are with Dr Who

I was having a trawl through loads of old magazines the other day and found some Dr Who monthly Mags from 1993/4. All of them were in despair about the lack of a new Doctor Who Series, and how the BBC didn't care.

Here we are in 2007 currently on series 3, with a BBC totally committed to Dr Who.

So stop over analysing it and just enjoy it.

Thats my theory anyway

As Harry Solomon would say;

"When God gives you lemons, just shut up and eat the damn lemons"

I don't care why the good stuff is good, only why the bad stuff sucked. Maybe this is how I justify the time I spent watching is not wasted.

no. i forgot you can just read threads

That's 100% correct but I think the division here is between those that get carried away by the storyline and the "minor niggles/little details" don't ruin it for them, and those that have the little details in the way of their enjoyment of the story...

For me, personally, I'm usually enjoying the story so much to let anything "small" ruin it for me....
For example the Sonic Screwdriver. Some people get into a right hicky fit any time the doctor dares use it, but for me it's not such a great leap for an alien with a contraption that travels in time to imagine that contraption comes with a bonus door unlocking device that can also be linked up to...do other stuff

i think people were starting to be overused and employed to get The Doctor out of situations which he is more than intelligent to get himself out of.

Yeah but he built it anyway, so that displays quite a degree of intellegence doesn't it?

sure it does but be nice for him to forget it once or twice and see him use his ingenuity....

If I've followed this correctly, we're talking about the sonic screwdriver here.

Something which the Doctor used his ingenuity to create - to be a tool which dealt with problems he came up against regularly: locked doors/sewer covers/etc probably being just one example

So, why the issues with the Doctor using the sonic screwdriver? What would be the point of inventing it to then not use it if it was available?

My children love the sonic screwdriver; they are upset when it doesn't make an appearance. When they thought it had been destroyed.. well, it was a very emotional episode!

For them it's the best thing since sliced bread. Which - to draw a parallel - is an ingenious invention, which is a godsend to those of us who lack a steady hand, time and patience.

Me and the doctor. Parents

LOL...which were they more upset about, Rose leaving or the Sonic Screwdriver?

You know it's CALLED a Sonic Screwdriver, not once have I seen the Doctor play Sonic on it to relieve the boredom...