extremely misplaced solidarity

Natalie was silly to form a friendship with Katie and thus stopped her bringing Katie into the boardroom. I still think Natalie would have gone but Katie would have definately had her card marked from SAS.

I don't think Katie did herself any favours in last nights show, I thought she was irritatingly sycophantic to the photographers and downright nasty about Adam,(who actually managed to do everything that was asked of him, and didn't deserve to be taken into the boardroom), and most importantly she failed to sell anything - in my opinion she should have been one of the three facing the chop!

Anyone see the audience reaction to Katie on You're Fired - looks like she could be a bit of a Grace!

Yes I noticed that. I also thought that one of the panel members (can't remember his name) was spot on in assessing her character. He more or less said Katie is ruthless and not to be trusted; she'll act like she's on your side and then cross you. I entirely agree. Also the female on the show said she had an eighties style attitude and dress sense..I agree with that too

Edit: Whoops, I misread your post.
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Hi Am, I agree with you re Adam. I also think SAS sees potential in him and why he's been saved each week.

BTW I think Zeb Atlas was referring to Katie in that post..and not Natalie

I wish she was a contestant in this year's Big Brother, she'd be brill as a female Nasty Nick.

I completely agree, Lohit only had a pc to do the labels on so how could he have done any better. Katie was a joke. When will these contestants realise that their is only one job and it doesnt serve well to save your friend

As much as I would have loved to see the back of Katie last night, Natalie deserved to go for:-

(a) being taken in by her;
(b) allowing petty vendettas to cloud her judgement on individual performance;
(c) general all round stupidity.


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That thing about Adam being run over did make me laugh a bit though. (Not that I wish that upon him, but he just seems so grumpy!)


and in topic, I don't think Katie would've gone over Natalie anyway.

Natalie made a fatal error by bringing Adam in and I'm sure she did it as revenge for last week
She should have taken in the two that didn't sell - Katie and Lohit

still think she would have gone though - it's all very well going on about having an MBA but surely there's no point in having one if you're not going to do anything with it?

When did Natalie tell lies?

Completely. The favour would not have been returned!

Katie would be too dangerous in the boardroom.

She also didn't do anything wrong apart from not get the sale but that was random who got it. The fact that she's bitching about all the others ought not to get into the equation as she is doing it to camera on her own - its not part of her activity in the task. Natalie doesn't know about it and SAS ought to ignore it. Lohit has made one mistake which doesn't merit him being there but otherwise he has made the same ones as Katie so its him that Natalie takes in which seems logical.

The problem was they had a theory that their artist would sell and that if they sold a few at a high price this would win and the way to sell was a soft sell. They all thought this - the other team all believed it too - the other team just ignored the bit about soft selling. Adam realised money was important but didn't challenge the choice or its logic - he got to the starting post but no further. katie was enthusiastic but so was everyone else and what they showed was her being enthusiastic to get the artist on board which actually told you nothing about how enthusiastic she really was.

The fatal mistake with their cunning plans was not getting the people there who would pay the high prices. If they were told they were going to get the names but the artist didn't fulfill the commitment its not their fault unless you argue Natalie ought to have made it a condition (still unenforceable) You might wonder if they had pushed it if it would have turned out there were no names, but no one challenged the logic that the lips would sell. Its not Katie's fault she can't sell to the customer who didn't turn up as they didn't know about the sale.

Basically none of them deserve to be there as their mistakes were all made by the other side - its just their bad luck they won the wrong artist and pulled in the wrong viewers.

Ironically, meanwhile Tre is imposing his own morality on what he sells - what Sophie got sacked for - and telling incredible porkies to his customers which is a sacking offence too. Jadine and Ghazal are meanwhile invisble......

Low profile this week, but spoilers indicate Jadine is high profile next week. Win or lose?

Nothing to do with bad luck, the way they treated the horse artist they didnt deserve to get his photos.
Can you imagine how the lips artist would have reacted if they`d treated her the same way

Margaret raised it. This week, Natalie claimed Adam had been in support of choosing the 'lips' photographer; he said he hadn't been. After the team left the room, Margaret pointed out to SAS that Adam had not, in fact, been in favour of choosing the lips pictures.

The week before, on the zoo task, SAS was trying to get to the bottom of the lolly mis-labelling debacle and Natalie implied that Adam had not told her he was calling the orange lollies "tiger orange" until after she had already printed the dodgy "natural orange" ones. In fact, she decided on the "natural" name off her own bat and changed it between Adam giving her the "tiger" name and getting the printing done. SAS didn't like the fact that she didn't own up straight away and he commented on it a couple of times.
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As much as I'm disliking Katie, don't think she would have been nor should have been fired even if she had quite rightly been hauled into the boardroom.

Deep down, I think Natalie knew she wouldn't have stood a chance against her anyway...but quite fancied her chances against both Adam & Lohit.

SAS, as usual, made the right decision.
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To say she was lying is over-stating it. Adam did say he liked the pictures. He said in the boardroom he put them 3rd out of 6. To me it looked as though Adam expressed most of his reservations about price to Simon in the car, when Natalie wasn't there, so she wouldn't have known about them.

Margaret didn't say Natalie lied. Sir Alan said something like, "She said he lied" and Margaret said, "I don't think he did". That doesn't mean Natalie lied, just that she made a mistake.


She said she had already printed the signs, which was true. It was too late to change those. She was on the way to the label printers, and she thought the labels had to match the signs so it was too late to change those too. This was an error of judgement: it was more important to get the labels correct than to get them matching the signs. However, it wasn't a lie.


Actually the whole "natural" thing came partly from her market research and partly from Katie grabbing the phone off Adam and telling her the flavouring was natural. There was a bit of mis-communication there. Later they added loads of unnatural ingredients, and she wasn't there for that, either. Adam mentioned his name in the phone call, but he didn't stress it or say it was important, or flag up the change in approach away from natural lollies.


I don't know if he realised the signs and the labels were printed in different places.

Nor do I think she realised it was her fault until they went over the issues. In any case, I don't blame her for defending herself and explaining her point of view before accepting Sir Alan's verdict. Which she eventually did.

Natalie made mistakes but she didn't lie. (You need Ghazal for that. Ghazal ran out of product, knew she was running out and tried to sell more slowly to make it last, and then flat denied running out in the boardroom. One of the most blatant lies we've seen, but Sir Alan didn't damn her for it.)

Agreed.


We see him in the car telling Simon she was getting it wrong. In the boardroom he said placed the lips 3rd out of 6, and Margaret confirmed this - which basically means he wouldn't have picked them as one of the two they went with.


Simon sold a lips painting. I think Katie could have sold if she'd dropped the "softly softly" approach long enough to attempt to close a deal. In a camera piece you can see she's realising this but doesn't know how to do it without spoiling the atmosphere.

It would have been interesting to see how well Adam would have done selling the lips, but he didn't get a chance to.


Well, I think Natalie should have split her team earlier, so as to have more time visiting the artists. That's a big part of why they failed to get the horse pictures.

She also failed to listen to Adam, who was right about a lot of stuff. She didn't get the best out of him.

For me her biggest failing was not understanding, even at the end, that Adam had been right and Katie wrong. Nor did she understand why they had failed.

What is so special about Lohit?

You mean the way Natalie treated him. That was all her. First, she 'had' to take this phone call, then she informed him sorry, but they all had to leave. After not listening to a word he said! She was incredibly rude and I'm not at all surprised he didn't choose her team.

To be clear, she should have brought both Katie and Lohit in, but she should still have been fired.

Whilst she was right to bring him in, her justification was very, very stupid!