Was it unbiased of Davina to be seen wearing a 'Kate' necklace?

Errr? I though we'd already agreed that it should be Richard and Judy....



Richard for his tact in dealing with embarassing/humiliating situations. Judy for her bosom to cry on.....

The number of voters swayed by said necklace?

I imagine they could be counted on the fingers of one hand, and still leave room ot hold a pencil.

Do you really think that the viewing public are that stupid?

*Thinks*

You may have a point, actually!

For the record, didn't it say "Yes!" as opposed to "Kate"? Let's hope we have a contestant called Pearl this year!

BBG

BBG, that's not the point. Even if no one was influenced, the fact that she wore it showed bias!

Hmmmm .... another interpretation could be that (for whatever diabolical reason) she just really liked the catchphrase. and her opinion of the housemates was irrelevant.

It's possible ...

BBG

All things are possible.....

Now be a good chap, get your coat and take your spoon with you...

But the whole programme was biased towards Kate from the minute she entered the house (first female winner rubbish).
I guess the only reason they didn't put the money into her bank account earlier was in case she self destructed before the final.

Self destruct!!! She very nearly did !!!! LOL. If only Jade had slipped off to bed a little earlier 'that' night.....

PS ......For old times sake, might add that the lines were fixed.

I loved the bit where they changed the rules just so Kate could get clean knickers.....saved her boiling them I suppose.

.....and sent her designer sunglasses off the the designer sunglasses repairer.

Seriously though - be thankful the C4 viewer didn't see the worst of Kate....when she vomitted everwhere, E4 didn't cut the sound in time - it was horrible to listen to!

I think better examples of Davina bias, were....

1. the way she kept defending Jonny and Kate against allegations that they were playing up to the cameras and not being themselves, and saying that they were genuinely just having fun, and that they couldn't be acting because it is impossible to fake 24/7 (-- which they couldn't, and that's why it was obvious). She wouldn't hear a word against them.

2. subtly encouraging the reinforcement of public opinions by whipping up mob hysteria, eg at one of the early evictions (I think it was wk3) when she shouted to the crowd "Who do you think is the most two-faced?" (-- "Adele!!") ....and for added effect immediately contrasted it with, "Who do we like the most?" (-- "Spencer!!").

3. her role in the remarkable turnaround of public opinion of Jade, with an article in the Telegraph defending her during the height of Jade-hate hysteria, pointing out her disadvantaged background and asking for sympathetic understanding, saying she really has a heart of gold, etc etc

I find it difficult to believe that Davina has any opinion of her own regarding the HMs.

Consider this

She doesn't meet them before they go in, or if she does it will just be a "good luck" and handshake

She is far too busy to watch much live coverage

All she probably knows of them will be what she is briefed before the Friday show, then meeting the evictee for 20 minutes or so

If I was to be a cruel type I might say, a propos necklace-gate, that as Davina is

a) on every tv show on every channel at every time of day

b) permanently pregnant

then YES is a word she uses quite a lot !!

Personally I think Davina is told to follow the Endemol line of spin.
Bear in mind the BB production team have daily meetings to discuss the show's progress and its shaping. Engineering the character development of the cast -- HM caricaturing with bias, which in turn influences public perception and thus the outcome of evictions -- must be on the agenda.

So true. The reconstruction of Jade's personality could only be helped if everyone got onboard with the message.....How many do people need to tell us that Jade has a heart of gold???

Yes, but Davina will not be involved in all this, she will just turn up an hour or two before the friday show and go away again when it's finished

I can't see that her hour or two a week association with BB will give her any great insight into the HMs, not enough for her to start wanting someone to win. I suspect that she would not know or care enough about them as individuals to want any particular HM to win

( My post above was an argument against the idea that Davina herself wanted Kate to win )

If you are now going on to say that Endemol/C4 had a plot line for the show worked out I would agree with that, but I'm sure it mainly revolved around Jade, not Kate

On second thoughts I think they might well have wanted Kate to win though, but most of the editing, interference with the show and propaganda were aimed at saving Jade's bacon ( no pig-girl reference intended )

But Davina has become personal friends with at least one ex-HM, which points to her having more than a neutral professional interest in them.
She probably doesn't have the time to watch the live feeds, but I'm sure she must watch at least the edited digest (her 'homework' ), supplemented by updates told to her by the producers.
(Hence she will tend to get the same distorted perception and line of spin as intended for public consumption.)
It would be human nature for her, like anyone else, to have one or more favourite HMs -- even if she doesn't have the time to watch it much......eg. similarly I have some friends/colleagues who only took a passing interest in BB3 and hardly watched it, but still had fairly strong opinions on who they liked/dislike (and even voted too!)...... despite their perception based mostly from what they read in the tabloids, the little they actually watched of it, and general chatter about it. Not surprisingly, a good number of them thought Jonny and Kate were decent nice people...

Mesos - this only proves that you were reeled in at the onset and totally believed the initial propaganda that almost destroyed a young girl whose only crime was to be 'mouthy and common'.

Your own senses and conditioning refused to make the transition which the media were forced to. They at least recognised that they had overdone the critical annihilation when it turned back in on them.

The backstepping by the producers in Jade's case was deserved, they had promoted her in such a negative light that her success now is only small recompense. Quite frankly anyone with a little more sensitiveity and intelligence would have tragically become emotionally crippled.

Jade was a winner too - She won a new life.

I can't believe that you think that presenting a high profile, ratings busting programme involves an hour or two's work per week. Davina is heavily involved with the show hence the potential stress in her condition.

On the professional side it is in her interest to know as much as she possible can about what's going on - on the financial side it's still in Davina's best interests to slant what is going on the way the producers (who pay her huge salary) want her too.

Any 'plot' to promote Jade was a rescue mission, Kate's case was something entirely different and the most unpopular and contested win to date.

Davina told Heat magazine during bb that she was addicted and had to get a video from the production office if she missed an episode. She had also 'swotted up' on the hm's backgrounds.
She was a columnist for Heat magazine before bb3 started and if my memory is correct, she did the odd guest column about it during the show discussing the events, her eviction interviews.
Also Brian did the odd page about it too.
I only remember a few little things about Kate she said that kate was sweet sniffing spencers blanket after he was evicted and she thought it was hilarious pj's 'interest' in kate modelling her tight jeans when she was up for eviction.
I remember a grange hill style picture of jade and adele with a caption about them being playground bullies.
I do think Kate was her favourite although she may have just wanted a girl to win and Kate was the best bet.
was bb3 the show with the most boy/girl distinction e.g boys and girls entering the house in separate groups. The 'inside bb' book was divided into 'boys and girls'.

Which ex-HM has Davina befriended, mystic?

Well, I can't believe that it's not butter, so that shows how gullible I am

You're probably right that Davina puts more in to the show than I intimated might be the case and i guess she might have her favourites

But, so what ?

It's only a gameshow, we're not electing the Prime Minister

A while ago we had a thread on the unwritten rules of BB participation. I think we can add that the Hms should refer several times to how much they are looking forward to meeting Davina and how great she is. Sycophants !!!

I did not think that Davina was 'personally' biased when she wore the 'Kate Necklace'. She clearly wore it because she was told to.

My name is Pedantic and I declare myself a convinced 'conspiracy therorist' in every way as regards BB3.

As said before IMO there was manipulation throughout the show. I sometimes wondered whether Davina or Dermot had actually watched some of the shows, going by the tenor of their interviews with hms, 'experts' , special guests and 'friends' of the show.

They had clearly been primed to lead the interviews in certain directions, but often (particularly with Dermot) the response was not as anticipated so they were floundering a bit.

The whole point behind the producers being able to 'change' things with little or no notice is to give them the ability to 'fix' things.

Yes Kate was the 'intended' winner

Yes they purposely rescued Jade from the mire by deflecting the 'mob' against Adele

Yes they 'saved' Alex against Alison.

Yes they changed the rules the week PJ and Kate were up for eviction (I think to save Jade and Alex)

Yes they showed footage and highlights that would affect perceptions.

Yes they showed 'still photos' that would subtley do the same.

Yes the phone/text votes seemed somehow weird to say the least......particularly on the final night

Yes even the production team members interviewed on BBLB seemed to have a very 'edited' take on what was going on (sure signs of bias).

But hey, let's not be naive here. The have a show to produce and money to make....

May I suggest the following conspiracy be organised for BB4:-

Day one: all fms identify who they think the Producers want to win.

Day Two onwards: all fms use every possible means (nothing excluded........ try blackmail, threats of physical violence, bribes, offers of physical favours, etc.), phone, text, internet, personal contact.... to try to get ANYONE but the 'favourite' to win.

Bet ya can't do it!!!

Any other suggestions appreciated....

That was a post and a half, Pedantic !!

How about having embedded journos at Endemol HQ, Channel 4, BBLB and Davina's house.

They could feed us the "official line" to avoid any confusion as to who's side they are on

Of course when they start telling us that Sad, er sorry, Sandy is still in the house, when we all know he has escaped, we might not believe what they are telling us !!!!

I think we're overlooking the fact that the housemates themselves have a hand in their own destinies in the house despite whether or not they are manipulated by the production team. They cannot be forced to behave in a certain way if they do not want to.

Kate spending weeks on the poor side and then sacrificing her chance to go to the rich side with Tim by offering to answer a question in the hope that the divide could come down for the group was a pivotal moment in turning her into one of the main contenders to win. Alex choosing the same contestants to stay on the rich side with him despite some of the others having endured the poor side for a week already was a pivotal moment in turning him into one of the contestants who was not going to win.

However it is edited, the housemates make decisions, say things, behave in certain ways all under their own free will.