I didn't realise Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf had landed a new job already

I think he should be the voice of BB this time - they are not in the bed room and cut to pix of them all there lol

LOL, yes, Elderflower, let's have him. He is much more entertaining than Davina.

Indeed, that really got up my nose ,that did

At the time it annoyed me too, I thought it was just like gloating that her fave won.
But I do like Davina. Now I look back and think maybe she thought Kate would be a bit scared and overwhelmed by winning - after all she was following in Brian Dowling's footsteps.
The necklace was probably intended to put Kate at ease and also to show there was no hard feelings over Kate's awful screeching Davina impersonations.

So why wasn't she wearing a necklace that said 'devil' when Brian emerged scared and overwhelmed by winning, - after all he was following in Craig's footsteps!

Because Brian's win was not pre-ordained?

Davina wore the neckless, at the start of the programme, when the final results were not supposedly known. You can't say that Davina thought it would have gone to Kate based on results so far (Let's say Kate was so far ahead, the rest of the night votes would not have mattered) , as Davina repeatedly said during the programme that the votes were very close, too close in fact.

As for the Davina impersonations, rather than offend her, they would have massaged her ego as intended.

She stated in an interview last year that she has become good friends with Anna from BB1. She joked that she and Anna were thinking of forming a pop band together, she singing (or on drums or something) and Anna playing guitar.

No???
Drat and double drat, I thought I was onto something here.

[paranoid]...there again Skibo is from Belfast and Brian is also Irish so perhaps she knows something we don't??[/paranoid]

Eh??...I know nuffin Faequeen

but the necklace thing...

hmmm....

she may have just fancied a 'yes' necklace as in 'yes- its the final night of bb3!
or
'yes - you have been voted the winner! '
but her neck just wasn't wide enough.
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I'm not even going to pretend that I was aware that Davina was wearing a necklace on the night in question, M'Lud, but from reading the thread it seems that the necklace just said YES. If it had been a coded message to vote for Kate surely it would have said YESSSS. Presumably this could also be interpreted as vote for Jonny, who was a YESSSS man

As for Davina keep repeating that the votes are very close, didn't she do this every week to keep people voting till the last minute

Re Brian. He won by two million votes. By the time Davina shimmied in five minutes before showtime, or a couple of hours FQ, they must have been telling her that Brian had won by a landslide. She could have worn any necklace she wanted.

What kind of person notices a necklace ? Is it a woman thing ?

I reckon neckless-gate is a conspiracy too far

Sorry swing the necklace said KATE!!!!!! I reckon that's pretty clear.

On the final night Davina did not just say the votes were close, she actually said they were within 2% of each other. Was she lying?

Woman thing? Watch it mate I was one of the first to burn my bra!

BB3 is the only conspiracy I believe in. I don't intend to give it up easily!

Oh, well, in that case ignore my previous post

They stitched us up like kippers !!

The whole thing was a farce, the very foundations of my belief in democracy has been shaken to the roots

And they closed down Alex's phone line robbing him of at least a million votes ( and that's just from Eejay !! )



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I'm done for the night now, Pedantic. You can speak for the both of us if you like !!!!

This was one time when I thought I might warm to Kate. She seemed prepared to 'sacrifice' her place on the 'rich' side for the chance to remove the divide....

However, I soon realised she had absolutely nothing to lose! Against spending a week stuck 'alone' with Tim (and probably getting separated from the rest of the 'crowd'), she had the chance to win the 'love' of everyone by getting the divide down. Who would possibly nominate her for eviction after that?

If she didn't succeed, she still 'won' the sympathy of everyone for her 'personal sacrifice'. She was back with the rest of the 'gang' and they all thought her a 'heroine' for 'trying'. What a lot of cuddles and praise for her 'brave' act......

As for Alex and his choices, he was conversely in a lose, lose, situation. No matter who he chose someone would be p*ssed off. Were Tim and Sophie upset with Jonny because he chose them for the poor side? Would Kate have preferred to be split from her marra Jonny?

Alex clearly was struggling with his decisions. The second week in particular. Kate did not have to struggle, she knew she was on to a 'winner' either way!

Davina was lying about it being so close, I remember thinking that at the time. It's called "keping the tension up". Basically, people would stop voting if she just admitted that is was a landslide etc.

I seem to recall that BBO's polls were showing that Kate was out in front by miles and they are always fairly accurate. So I guess Davina would have pretty much known for quite a while before the show.

......so it's buenos noches from him x x x x x.....

The necklace said YES!!!!

I really can't go for this "Endemol wanted Kate to win" theory. Watching the coverage in the final week, I thought the editing and other media coverage was tipping the balance Jade's way, in what seemed to be the most even BB finale yet.

I went into the final night not knowing who was going to win, unlike the previous two series.

This thread is giving me "July" flashbacks!!

Yes they do behave under their own free will but that's not the most important part....Where the editing comes in is (a) to select what behaviour of each HM is and is not shown, (b) manipulate or distort the viewers' perception and viewpoint in forming an opinion of their behaviour and overall them as a person.

So you have instances of behaviour that might reduce public support for a particular HM not being shown (if HM favoured) or conversely being highlighted (if HM not favoured) in the all-important C4 programme.
Similiarly, behaviour that might increase public support for an unfavoured HM will not be shown, and conversely highlighted for a HM who is favoured.
A few examples:

eg 1. Lee rescuing Kate from danger of drowning in the bathtub was not shown because he was unfavoured. If that incident had been shown I''m sure Lee's popularity would have gone up, it could well have changed his image from 'love rat' (which the editorial line was making a big deal of) , to 'knight in shining armour', and who knows he might have beaten Jonny in the wk3 eviction. But they didn't want that.

eg 2. A lot of hilarious or cool Alex behaviour - too many to mention! - was not shown for the C4 highlights. If they did, there was a good likelihood it would have made his popularity unassailable (like Brian last year, and they didn't want another one horse race).
For example you can also tell that from the rubbish 'best moments' compilations they did for Alex.... I mean, come on, given the wealth of truly classic and funny Alex moments available to them -- his constipation and other embarrassing or unremarkable footage included in his compilations were among the "best bits" they could come up with???

eg 3. Kate being nice to Sophie was made a big deal of, and established an indelible image of her as a decent nice girl, which helped to maintain her popularity for the rest of the show.

eg 4. Jade's nasty insults to Alex (eg. in wk 4 when she called him a batty boy who deserved to be bullied etc) was not shown.......presumably because they wanted to rehabilitate her image from source-of-all-evil to saint, and that incident did not help. Contrast the editorial emphasis made to show Alex being 'nasty' to Jade in the latter weeks, which IMO lost him votes -- remember, this was when Jade had by now become the girl with a heart of gold, and it was no longer acceptable to be unkind to her.

I can go on and on and won't (well, at least for the moment).....
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I'm happy to admit my memory may be playing tricks and apologise most profusely if I am in error....

I went into the final night not 'knowing' but 'expecting' the result to be -

Kate
Jade
Jonny
Alex

My own particular conspiracy theories keep me warm at night!



PS. I wasn't here last July....... sorry. I thought we were just filling in time until BB4. Perhaps I should ask BBG if I can borrow his coat.

Part of a conspiracy? Hmmnn.....dunno. But it was..just strange. It was Kate catchphrase "Yes". How would it have been if Davina was wearing a necklace with the words "Disgusting" "Chipstick" or "Three Fooking Times" that night?

It was just weird.

And unless I'm mistaken, Kate herself identified her own catchphrase dangling around Davina's neck during the winners chat.

No smilie - are you being serious??

I was mistaken I think it was 'demons' that Brian kept refering to. In light of this I now am convinced that this repeated and agitated statement was a call to 'Demon Internet' subscribers who would have responded to this disguised message in their thousands.

I think we may have opened up a can of worms here...

Excellent post.....I agree with everything you've said.....it also reminds me to throw that awful bb3 uncut dvd away. I watched it once, and have never found a reason to it watch again!

ditto...
...and add to that the tasks which seemed to be specially designed to showcase certain housemates particular talents...

Mystic, I agree with what you have said above and you have said it in a very thought-provoking and intelligent way. However, you fail to mention the fact that there are times in the Big Brother house when the housemates know for a fact that the particular moment they are experiencing will be broadcast. For example, most of the nominations in the diary room, the times when they are sitting together waiting to hear who is up for eviction and the live task on Saturday nights for series 3. The two scenarios I have mentioned above regarding Kate and the divide and Alex and the divide were being broadcast live to the nation on Channel 4 and the housemates knew this. They had a lot of power, both of them, to influence the voting public at those precise moments. There was no editorial interference.