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The Apprentice episode discussion > May 2nd, 9pm, bbc1
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katinka
04-05-2007
Originally Posted by mazey:
“I wonder how truly "upper/middle class" the posh ones are, or first generation with parents who made money? They seem exaggeratedly posh. On his cv, Paul claims:
<First job was selling jumpers on his parents market stall.>

Tre's family have a successful business, but he is not snobby, one of his few virtues.”

I find Paul quite a parvenue. Very insecure lower middle class. Dresses how he thinks he should be dressing. He probably, through the same demenour he displayed on The Apprentice, somehow rankled himself to a 'leading' position within the army. Utterly comtemptible.
SapphicGrrl
04-05-2007
Originally Posted by katinka:
“I find Paul quite a parvenue. Very insecure lower middle class. Dresses how he thinks he should be dressing. He probably, through the same demenour he displayed on The Apprentice, somehow rankled himself to a 'leading' position within the army. Utterly comtemptible.”

What, tan shoes with a dark suit?! He got that bit wrong then, lol! According to other posters, he did get through Sandhurst, so he must have had something going for him.

PS. Word of the day = "parvenue" - love it! (And your nick is really nice too. )
zeebra
04-05-2007
Originally Posted by katinka:
“I find Paul quite a parvenue. Very insecure lower middle class. Dresses how he thinks he should be dressing. He probably, through the same demenour he displayed on The Apprentice, somehow rankled himself to a 'leading' position within the army. Utterly comtemptible.”

"Parvenue" - that's a great word katinka.
zeebra
04-05-2007
Originally Posted by SapphicGrrl:
“What, tan shoes with a dark suit?! He got that bit wrong then, lol! According to other posters, he did get through Sandhurst, so he must have had something going for him.

PS. Word of the day = "parvenue" - love it! (And your nick is really nice too. )”

We must have thought the same thing at the same time SapphicGrrl. (I had to look it up - it's a new word for me.)
Cavegirl
04-05-2007
Originally Posted by Tissy:
“That`s annoying me too

However the last two weeks, the team leaders have both been fired so maybe SAS is not so blind as to what is going on afterall ?”

So how many of the firings so far this series have been the team leaders? We had Andy, Rory, Natalie, & Paul this week. I missed the show where Sophie got fired, was she PM that week too?
robbies_gal
04-05-2007
no she wasnt cavegirl
mindyann
04-05-2007
Originally Posted by Cavegirl:
“So how many of the firings so far this series have been the team leaders? We had Andy, Rory, Natalie, & Paul this week. I missed the show where Sophie got fired, was she PM that week too?”

No, I think that was the only time it wasn't a team leader ... Sophie shot herself in the foot basically with her aversion to selling products she didn't believe in.

Wasn't Adam the team leader that week who escaped the curse?

Are there any people there now who haven't lead a team? Do you think Sirallen would give Adam a second TL go if there is someone who hasn't done it at all
Last edited by mindyann : 04-05-2007 at 12:44
Agent Krycek
04-05-2007
Originally Posted by mindyann:
“No, I think that was the only time it wasn't a team leader ... Sophie shot herself in the foot basically with her aversion to selling products she didn't believe in.

Wasn't Adam the team leader that week who escaped the curse?

Are there any people there now who haven't lead a team? Do you think Sirallen would give Adam a second TL go if there is someone who hasn't done it at all ”

I think only Simon has yet to lead

Spoiler
As far as I know he does this week
Cavegirl
04-05-2007
Originally Posted by gabbyevs:
“no she wasnt cavegirl”

Thanks, that'll reach me to go on holiday!! and the repeat wasn't on the following Tuesday

Originally Posted by mindyann:
“No, I think that was the only time it wasn't a team leader ... Sophie shot herself in the foot basically with her aversion to selling products she didn't believe in.

Wasn't Adam the team leader that week who escaped the curse?

Are there any people there now who haven't lead a team? Do you think Sirallen would give Adam a second TL go if there is someone who hasn't done it at all ”

Gerri got fired and wasn't the Team Leader and I suppose Ifti doesn't count as Rory went with him!
Last edited by Cavegirl : 04-05-2007 at 12:51
Cavegirl
04-05-2007
Originally Posted by Agent Krycek:
“I think only Simon has yet to lead

Spoiler
As far as I know he does this week
”

Simon was acting like the team leader this week!!
DICKENS99
04-05-2007
Originally Posted by mindyann:
“Are there any people there now who haven't lead a team? Do you think Sirallen would give Adam a second TL go if there is someone who hasn't done it at all ”

Has it always been the case that everyone gets a go as team leader - I can't remember the previous series in that detail. Of course having two people go in one week would mean there was a vacant spot which Adam is filling.

I don't fancy Adam's chances if his team loses next week, if repeated appearances as a team member are bad enough then being twice in the boardroom as team leader must be fatal.
Last edited by DICKENS99 : 04-05-2007 at 13:24
oulandy
04-05-2007
Originally Posted by Reality Sucks:
“Us southerners don't all think people who speak with a northern accent are working class you know. I've not seen this snobbery on the Apprentice before - James Max (series1) was pretty posh and he managed to get on with everyone. As for Kristina, I thought she had a west country or Norfolk accent.Is she Irish?”

Not all think it, but it is a very common prejudice in London/ the south east and as someone said earlier, they are categorised by their accent. Kristina is from Ireland, (Wexford I think) although she now lives in Yorkshire, I believe.
oulandy
04-05-2007
Originally Posted by Cavegirl:
“So how many of the firings so far this series have been the team leaders? We had Andy, Rory, Natalie, & Paul this week. I missed the show where Sophie got fired, was she PM that week too?”

No, she committed the cardinal error of being a scientist and not wanting to sell things for more than they are worth.
DICKENS99
04-05-2007
Originally Posted by oulandy:
“No, she committed the cardinal error of being a scientist and not wanting to sell things for more than they are worth.”

Standing there with crossed arms and a face like a drugged camel, when she wasn't rather bizarrely trying to sell with her back to the customer, was probably the key point - both teams made mistakes but in the end there was only £10 between them so a little bit more effort on her part might have swung it. If she was that morally opposed to the sales concept she should have refused to sell full stop and they could have stuck her in the lion costume.
oulandy
04-05-2007
Originally Posted by DICKENS99:
“Standing there with crossed arms and a face like a drugged camel, when she wasn't rather bizarrely trying to sell with her back to the customer, was probably the key point - both teams made mistakes but in the end there was only £10 between them so a little bit more effort on her part might have swung it. If she was that morally opposed to the sales concept she should have refused to sell full stop and they could have stuck her in the lion costume.”

While Adam the salesman who didn't sell, gets away with it, and Sophie who is not a saleswoman, gets the chop for it.

Er...a little or a lot more effort on whose part would have won it? (Rhetorical question.)
booklover
04-05-2007
Originally Posted by oulandy:
“While Adam the salesman who didn't sell, gets away with it, and Sophie who is not a saleswoman, gets the chop for it.

Er...a little or a lot more effort on whose part would have won it? (Rhetorical question.)”

I don't think SAS fired Sophie because of her performance in the task though. She got herself fired when she said that she didn't like selling. As he said, business is business - if she doesn't like selling, then she shouldn't be working for him. I think he just thought that she was not the right person to be working for him.

As for Adam - the lollipop task was not his best moment! However, he certainly redeemed himself in the art task - I would say he probably did better than any of the others. And this week, he did pretty well really - he was really pushing the chutney, and Kristina was the one who found somewhere to cook the sausages. Bringing those two back into the boardroom was a BIG mistake for Paul, and if he had had the brains he was born with, he would have known it.
SapphicGrrl
04-05-2007
Originally Posted by oulandy:
“While Adam the salesman who didn't sell, gets away with it, and Sophie who is not a saleswoman, gets the chop for it.”

Knowing what she must already know about Sir A, telling him she doesn't like selling must have been like red rag to a bull! A lot of these geeky boffins are like that, brains the size of a planet but they haven't got the sense they were born with (I should know, I'm married to one!).
GrizzlyBear
04-05-2007
Its simple really--SAS is weeding out the losers, who can't sell, won't work,and have gobby attitudes.
"Brown Shoes" who got the bums rush last wednesday was a poser and a half--well rid!!
His horse-faced gobby girl-friend will be NEXT to go!!

Kristina has got this won--no problem!
Remember you heard it here first!!

Grizzlybear
oulandy
04-05-2007
Originally Posted by GrizzlyBear:
“Its simple really--SAS is weeding out the losers, who can't sell, won't work,and have gobby attitudes.
"Brown Shoes" who got the bums rush last wednesday was a poser and a half--well rid!!
His horse-faced gobby girl-friend will be NEXT to go!!

Kristina has got this won--no problem!
Remember you heard it here first!!

Grizzlybear”

First post, I see, and laying your neck on the line with that bold prediction. I'll make one as well: I don't think Kristina will win, especially if she deserves to.
Makosi's pants
04-05-2007
Originally Posted by pxd867:
“Oh dear, hang him and flog him..”

If I have to point out to you why people from ethnic minority backgrounds should be especially careful of making prejudiced comments in public in these sensitive times then maybe you should be hanged and flogged
Makosi's pants
04-05-2007
[quote=SapphicGrrl]That's because James Max was clearly a nice guy and the chinless chumps in this series are vile prigs with zero charm - unlike James, who could charm the leaves off the trees. (I should have said 'chinless charmless chumps', shouldn't I, hehe?! ) And Kristina - I don't think they say 'eejit' in the West country, lol!

Incidentally, has anybody spotted James doing a 'roving reporter' job on the Harvey Goldsmith show? First time I've seen him since the Apprentice - he's not bad actually.[/QUOTE]

Haven't seen him on that, but he does Financial News on radio talksport and has graduated to his own show. He is quite good but I think we all knew after seeing him sell that outrageous fleece on the shopping channel in series 1, that he was a natural presenter
Makosi's pants
04-05-2007
Originally Posted by katinka:
“I find Paul quite a parvenue. Very insecure lower middle class. Dresses how he thinks he should be dressing. He probably, through the same demenour he displayed on The Apprentice, somehow rankled himself to a 'leading' position within the army. Utterly comtemptible.”

Love that word. Reminds of the Monthy Python sketch I first heard it used in. Looked it up then and have never forgotten it - been waiting years to try to use it in conversation or communication. Perhaps if my intelligence was not so (ahem) ersatz in relation to yours, I might have managed it.
Makosi's pants
04-05-2007
Originally Posted by Agent Krycek:
“I think only Simon has yet to lead

Spoiler
As far as I know he does this week
”

That surprises me. Maybe because he tries to lead each task where he sniffs weakness in the team leader. Perhaps he can lead in a task where each team has to cut overgrown lawns and see if there are any snakes present.
Alrightmate
05-05-2007
Originally Posted by planetnokia:
“He never means it. He just uses the comment every time to scare the person into thinking that their time is up.”

But he has fired people in the past stating that very thing as a major reason for firing somebody.
There's been a few times when somebody has been fired and Sir Alan has said that they've been brought back into the boardroom far too many times.
Alrightmate
05-05-2007
Originally Posted by Cavegirl:
“So how many of the firings so far this series have been the team leaders? We had Andy, Rory, Natalie, & Paul this week. I missed the show where Sophie got fired, was she PM that week too?”

No, it was Adam.
Which is quite ironic considering that he appears to look vulnerable but is the only project manager in a losing team to survive the boardroom. (I think he is anyway, unless somebody can clarify me on that).

Evn though I think he's improved in some aspects since then and he's one of my top two favourites, I actually thought Adam should have been fired that week as well. I thought the task failure was more his fault than anybody else's.
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