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Originally Posted by Kookycelt
The army is full of Paul's type - I had to put up with them at functions when my husband was in the forces. They give you a wet handshake and use words like ticketyboo. I couldn't wait to get away from their shallow conversations.
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I quite agree. She is hugely proactive and clearly a creative thinking. She may not be the best "team player" in the world simply because she does not suffer fools gladly and is probably continually surrounded by those she regards as fools, who compared to her probably are. If she can tone that down she will be fine. Hopefully she will get her chance before she builds up too much resentment amongst the troops.
In the Apprentice she is out for herself, but not to the extent of humiliating or insulting others like Katie, Paul, Simon and Rory do. Quote:
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No wonder our brave soldiers are doomed before they even leave British soil...if this is the assholes they have to salute to and do their bidding
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No wonder our brave soldiers are doomed before they even leave British soil...if this is the assholes they have to salute to and do their bidding
![]() Indeed - lions led by donkeys springs to mind I thought Rory took the biscuit for self delusion, but Paul is even more blinkered about his own shortcomings. I've rarely disliked a reality show contestant quite as much once they are off the show - Apparently he was on some show today talking about being "in property overseas" - the thought of the likes of Paul and Katie making their fortunes on the back of underdeveloped countries makes me feel quite queasy and
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Indeed - lions led by donkeys springs to mind
I thought Rory took the biscuit for self delusion, but Paul is even more blinkered about his own shortcomings. I've rarely disliked a reality show contestant quite as much once they are off the show - Apparently he was on some show today talking about being "in property overseas" - the thought of the likes of Paul and Katie making their fortunes on the back of underdeveloped countries makes me feel quite queasy and ![]() Greatly..It also gives us, the nation a sense of ourselves and that we would never be...act..or...be as stupid as any of the contestants on this show. But sadly...and for deeper thinkers...we have people like Paul and Katie, a combination that if added up and allowed in the greater scheme of our imaginations is disaster for us the normal people. Why? Because these two people if given any kind of control of affairs whatsoever, clearly couldn't give a flying fck. And that's why it's slightly worrying and why we play close attention to people in the media.. we are clearly worried that they will one day have the power to dominate us. |
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But sadly...and for deeper thinkers...we have people like Paul and Katie, a combination that if added up and allowed in the greater scheme of our imaginations is disaster for us the normal people.
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Is Paul the thickest ever contestant on this show? It's the first time I've watched it, so I've no yardstick for this.
For me, Ghazal and Jadine messing up the chocolate machine multiple times was stupid, when Sophie showed how it should be done on the other team. Or Jadine pulling back Tre and Simon's very successful coffee van and there-by losing their pitch, and then splitting them up despite them working well together. Or Adam making Sophie sell sweets when she was knackered from staying up late making them and clearly no good at it, when he could have found some other role for her. There have been any number of mistakes as stupid as Paul's this series. From previous series you'll have trouble beating Alexa's chicken pizza. |
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To me he just had some plausible ideas that didn't work out, with some of the mistakes being induced by time-pressure. He needed a cooker, was in Makro and didn't have time to go elsewhere.
From previous series you'll have trouble beating Alexa's chicken pizza. Makro was on their lists specifically for the purpose of obtaining equipment such as gas fired burners, BBQs etc, not as a source of Best of British produce, SAS was quite clear about this. Last year someone failed on just this, failing to listen to his task purpose. Care to expand on his plausible ideas? I would love to hear them, they have escaped me totally, and I like to see the best in everyone. |
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One plausible idea was cheese. The French love cheese (as Nick pointed out, they have loads of different varieties) and could have been curious about a good British cheese. The French chef on the You're Fired show suggested Stilton. Paul went for Cheddar instead, apparently on the grounds that it sounded very English. He was impressed by the quality of the Makro product, as were the others when they tasted it on the ferry. With hindsight it now looks like a dumb idea, but it was almost right, and who knows, if Adam had taken the trouble to cut it into smaller pieces and presented it well it might have sold.
The sausages were a good product. Getting equipment to cook them with was also a good (even necessary) idea. He says he couldn't find anything suitable - I'm guessing that there were better gas burners in Makro but they were too expensive. He said he didn't have time to go anywhere else. Or rather, not to any of the places on the list they'd been given - they couldn't just pop into any shop they felt like. So he improvised. He got one of the jelly burners, and had the wit to know he'd need a wind shield so he got a can to use for that. He even knew the wind shield would need holes for ventilation. The main thing he missed, I think, is that the pan needed a lid to stop the heat escaping, and maybe he needed more than one burner. So basically he was stuck between a rock and a hard place, had a good idea to get himself out of it, and it didn't quite work in practice. It was enough to get the sausages brown and delicious-looking, but not to cook them. So close. Arguably he was struggling with the rest of his team. Kristina showed she could get the sausages cooked, but she took her own sweet time over it. Adam just dumbly persisted in trying to get the burner to work, never succeeding, and I think he wasted a huge amount of time on it (much longer than Paul). Ghazal does nothing the whole show that we see. Someone could have cut the cheese up, and arguably this falls under Adam's purview because he was in charge of marketing and making the stall look good (hence the sign, which he also got wrong). But that would involve showing some initiative which is not Adam's strong suit. Kristina has plenty of initiative, but unlike with the sausages she has no vested interest in sorting out the cheese because she's disapproved of it from the start. Ghazal does nothing. Katie might have done something but Paul thinks he needs her selling to shops. Which again is a plausible idea since a shop can make far bigger orders, but it doesn't quite work because it takes the French speakers away from the stall. Apparently Kristina was assigned to their team as a French speaker, because she has a French qualification, but (through no fault of her own) she was useless at it. Maybe it would have been better to send Katie with Adam while Paul remained at the stall - but this is hindsight again. Selling the sausages at cost price was plausible. At that point it looked like they had no way to cook them and were going to be left with a lot of expensive stock at the end of the day - as happened with the cheese, which had to be dumped. However, by then Kristina had actually got them cooked (without telling Paul of this) so Paul looked like an idiot. That's all I can remember off-hand. It's worth remembering there was a kind of group-think going on. Everyone thought he was doing well, right up until they were told they'd lost. Except Kristina, whom he thought was merely game-playing and making criticisms in order to prepare a boardroom defence. Which again was plausible, but wrong. If one other person on his team had spoken up he might have taken her more seriously, but they didn't. His mistakes were really mistakes of the whole team (except Kristina). |
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One plausible idea was cheese. The French love cheese (as Nick pointed out, they have loads of different varieties) and could have been curious about a good British cheese. The French chef on the You're Fired show suggested Stilton. Paul went for Cheddar instead, apparently on the grounds that it sounded very English. He was impressed by the quality of the Makro product, as were the others when they tasted it on the ferry. With hindsight it now looks like a dumb idea, but it was almost right, and who knows, if Adam had taken the trouble to cut it into smaller pieces and presented it well it might have sold.
The sausages were a good product. Getting equipment to cook them with was also a good (even necessary) idea. He says he couldn't find anything suitable - I'm guessing that there were better gas burners in Makro but they were too expensive. He said he didn't have time to go anywhere else. Or rather, not to any of the places on the list they'd been given - they couldn't just pop into any shop they felt like. So he improvised. He got one of the jelly burners, and had the wit to know he'd need a wind shield so he got a can to use for that. He even knew the wind shield would need holes for ventilation. The main thing he missed, I think, is that the pan needed a lid to stop the heat escaping, and maybe he needed more than one burner. So basically he was stuck between a rock and a hard place, had a good idea to get himself out of it, and it didn't quite work in practice. It was enough to get the sausages brown and delicious-looking, but not to cook them. So close. Arguably he was struggling with the rest of his team. Kristina showed she could get the sausages cooked, but she took her own sweet time over it. Adam just dumbly persisted in trying to get the burner to work, never succeeding, and I think he wasted a huge amount of time on it (much longer than Paul). Ghazal does nothing the whole show that we see. Someone could have cut the cheese up, and arguably this falls under Adam's purview because he was in charge of marketing and making the stall look good (hence the sign, which he also got wrong). But that would involve showing some initiative which is not Adam's strong suit. Kristina has plenty of initiative, but unlike with the sausages she has no vested interest in sorting out the cheese because she's disapproved of it from the start. Ghazal does nothing. Katie might have done something but Paul thinks he needs her selling to shops. Which again is a plausible idea since a shop can make far bigger orders, but it doesn't quite work because it takes the French speakers away from the stall. Apparently Kristina was assigned to their team as a French speaker, because she has a French qualification, but (through no fault of her own) she was useless at it. Maybe it would have been better to send Katie with Adam while Paul remained at the stall - but this is hindsight again. Selling the sausages at cost price was plausible. At that point it looked like they had no way to cook them and were going to be left with a lot of expensive stock at the end of the day - as happened with the cheese, which had to be dumped. However, by then Kristina had actually got them cooked (without telling Paul of this) so Paul looked like an idiot. That's all I can remember off-hand. It's worth remembering there was a kind of group-think going on. Everyone thought he was doing well, right up until they were told they'd lost. Except Kristina, whom he thought was merely game-playing and making criticisms in order to prepare a boardroom defence. Which again was plausible, but wrong. If one other person on his team had spoken up he might have taken her more seriously, but they didn't. His mistakes were really mistakes of the whole team (except Kristina). Great post.I am sore, laughing, from some of your comments. And I thought you were a Paul supporter, your previous posts were too subtle for me, obviously.
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