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Old 04-05-2007, 02:48
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Originally Posted by Reality Sucks
I can't help thinking they must have had a lapse in judgement. One thing that doesn't go down well with Sir Alan and co is when people don't take responsibility for their failures and that was certainly the case with Paul.

As far as the cheese went, it was Paul's decision and he didn't listen to Kristina who expressed grave doubts about buying it.
Katie wasn't with him it at the time and didn't look too impressed with that decision either. Paul thought he could pull a fast one on the French selling inferior produce without even bothering to try and present it well. Not only that, he tried to blame Adam on failing the task despite spending £200 more on produce than the other team (I've deducted £100 for the banner which Adam was asked to do).

On the You're fired programme he nevr once held his hands up and admitted that he'd made mistakes. What a plonker - even worse than Rory.
Well, that's what you call a zip-to-the-point summary.

And who is to disagree?

Paul should be held responsible.......

but Katie should go home now.....the game is over bigtime!!
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Old 04-05-2007, 03:05
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Originally Posted by JTW
Well, that's what you call a zip-to-the-point summary.

And who is to disagree?

Paul should be held responsible.......

but Katie should go home now.....the game is over bigtime!!

I agree and hope she gets the chop before Adam and is closely followed by Simon and Natalie(or is it Naome)
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Old 04-05-2007, 13:45
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Well for a start if your talking sexist..I'm female and the same sex as our Katie.

And yes you may be right that Paul slept with Katie for the exact same reason. Two beans in a pod...and a heat conductor of some kind there

As for sleeping your way to the top..it depends on your overall attitude in the first place. Katie's attitude in general is last century going by how she looks, acts, perceives herself to others (Maggie Thatcher comes to mind) and finally, how she thinks she can dominate men...and Paul the posh lieutenant...but totally flattered at Katie's attention, fell for it.

So you just need to picture that little scenario and it is not that hard to work out.

As for her intelligence in any of the tasks..sorry, if there was the slightest bit of intelligence as opposed to snobbery and arrogance, they are detracted by her agedness and set in her snobbish Thatcherism ways.
Women can be sexist too. It's not just a male vice.

I still don't understand how Katie sleeping with Paul or Paul sleeping with Katie would help either of them to the top. Neither of them have any power to make each other winners. In fact as we've seen, it was a very bad move for both of them. It gave Adam and Kristina extra ammunition on top of Paul's idiocy, to finish him off in front of Sir Alan.
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Old 04-05-2007, 13:53
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Originally Posted by JTW
Especially when SA said that he had high hopes for Paul but was disappointed.

Do you think SA was disappointed more with Paul's task or his relationship with Katie?
The way he carried out the task was so bad that he didn't need the additional relationship reason to complicate things. The buying of the cheese blocks was directly contrary to SA's instructions to take specialist foods to France.

His relationship also affected decisions he took and how the team worked, so SA wouldn't have liked that either.
It's almost as bad in his eyes, probably, though he already had enough ammo to fire him anyway.
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Old 04-05-2007, 14:02
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Originally Posted by Reality Sucks
I can't help thinking they must have had a lapse in judgement. One thing that doesn't go down well with Sir Alan and co is when people don't take responsibility for their failures and that was certainly the case with Paul.

As far as the cheese went, it was Paul's decision and he didn't listen to Kristina who expressed grave doubts about buying it.
Katie wasn't with him it at the time and didn't look too impressed with that decision either. Paul thought he could pull a fast one on the French selling inferior produce without even bothering to try and present it well. Not only that, he tried to blame Adam on failing the task despite spending £200 more on produce than the other team (I've deducted £100 for the banner which Adam was asked to do).

On the You're fired programme he never once held his hands up and admitted that he'd made mistakes. What a plonker - even worse than Rory.
From what we saw, Katie kept silent and let Kristina do the talking and protesting. That must have been because of the group dynamics rather than because it was a good idea to buy cash and carry mild cheddar, of all things. As they were given instructions to take produce from specialist suppliers (although I don't recall whether we were shown that), Katie must have known that too, as did Kristina.

The French food displays looked so beautiful and mouthwatering I am surprised the Apprentices were able to sell anything at all of that cheese.
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Old 04-05-2007, 14:09
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Originally Posted by oulandy
The buying of the cheese blocks was directly contrary to SA's instructions to take specialist foods to France.
Exactly - why would Sir A want to take on someone who contravenes his instructions and thinks he knows better?! (Not very good apprentice material!)
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Old 04-05-2007, 19:39
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Originally Posted by JTW
Like I have stated in another thread, the fact that it is a once a week show, we have no idea of just how bad Katie or Adam is...and how much of it is edited good or bad in either of their favour.

But given the way the production seems to be going, Katie is coming across worse than Adam and we don't know how much influence she is putting on the others against Adam.

If we go by what we've seen thus far, then Adam does not deserve the abuse he has had from Katie. In fact, nobody deserves the abuse they have been getting from Katie.

So is Katie a real baddie or a setup one? Yes I think she is.

However, I bet some of the others are not that squeeky clean either, only the editing are not showing it for some reason. Perhaps because nobody is quite as good at being totally obnoxious as Katie.
I'm not so sure. While I think Katie does have good ability, I also think we are seeing the real her, the same way we are seeing the real Tre. However, if you go to Youtube and type in UK Apprentice 3, you will see two remarkable unaired clips of Adam actually being jovial and Jadine actually being sensible. The production crew have decided how they want people to come across, but only in Tre and Katie's case do I think they needed no help. Personally I can't wait for Adam, Katie, Tre and Jadine to be interviewed on YF.
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Old 04-05-2007, 19:55
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Well for a start if your talking sexist..I'm female and the same sex as our Katie.
Isn't that strange JTW? All this time and I just assumed you were male. Your posts are quite strident

And yes you may be right that Paul slept with Katie for the exact same reason. Two beans in a pod...and a heat conductor of some kind there
Are you referring to Paul's "meat thermometer"?

As for her intelligence in any of the tasks..sorry, if there was the slightest bit of intelligence as opposed to snobbery and arrogance, they are detracted by her agedness and set in her snobbish Thatcherism ways.
Katie is able and as someone else said, in real, non-camera life, she would be able to get quite far because her thoughts would go unheard. I disagree about the lack of intelligence. She is probably the most politically intelligent person in the house and I'm sure the others will be shocked to hear her remarks. But as per the snobbery and arrogance, you'll get no dispute here. As someone much wiser than me once said "no matter how intelligent you are, arrogance will knock points clean off your IQ".
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Old 05-05-2007, 00:45
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Originally Posted by Makosi's pants
Isn't that strange JTW? All this time and I just assumed you were male. Your posts are quite strident



Are you referring to Paul's "meat thermometer"?



Katie is able and as someone else said, in real, non-camera life, she would be able to get quite far because her thoughts would go unheard. I disagree about the lack of intelligence. She is probably the most politically intelligent person in the house and I'm sure the others will be shocked to hear her remarks. But as per the snobbery and arrogance, you'll get no dispute here. As someone much wiser than me once said "no matter how intelligent you are, arrogance will knock points clean off your IQ".
Lol Makosi...re: the quote that you thought I was a male

I'm chuffed to the core

Maybe I should be embarrassed by being so chuffed so quickly by that

Not that I have much more up there in the vital statiscally department...but I just like things more on a level playing field. (Perhaps it's time for me to change my name to something more appropriate....i.e. 'totally vacous (SP)blonde twit').

Re Katie and her intelligence...I think she's a predator. She preys on other people's strengths and uses them for her own gain.

Having the priveledge of a good education has done nothing of any importance for her. My guess that others on the team given the same chance would have done better. Much better. And it's on this stand that I'm aiming a like for like scenario where Katie is concerned (as I did with Paul)...and she really does not have much upstairs other than her snobbish background and a certain amount of privedged education that others were not privy too.

The fact that she uses all of it in such a negative way for self-elevation, is a big no no. She is a disgrace and would be as a boss or a fellow team mate. She has to go.
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Old 06-05-2007, 22:33
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From what we saw, Katie kept silent and let Kristina do the talking and protesting.
As did everyone except Kristina. Ghazal was in favour of the cheese, and Adam says "Perfect" when told about the burner. They all said Paul was a good PM when Sir Alan asked in the boardroom. None of them backed Kristina up, at least not until they knew they'd lost.

People are singling out Katie here because they don't like her, not because she's especially to blame.
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Old 07-05-2007, 01:12
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As did everyone except Kristina. Ghazal was in favour of the cheese, and Adam says "Perfect" when told about the burner. They all said Paul was a good PM when Sir Alan asked in the boardroom. None of them backed Kristina up, at least not until they knew they'd lost.

People are singling out Katie here because they don't like her, not because she's especially to blame.
I suppose it doesn't help in the 'edited' show that we saw her and Paul going on a 'mission'

She didn't exactly bring her own intelligence and intellect into the equation when they walked into that Kebab shop, did she?

We also didn't hear if she managed to bring any sales around on her own (again that could be down to editing).

Like I have said before...this show could be so of the mark on so many things that are down to editing. And on this occasion for example, she could very well have sold whatever it was for both her and Paul being on that mission together.

However, if so, it wasn't shown. So you have to ask why?

I can only assume it was nothing to report about...and the editing decided instead to show the 'relationship' between the two as seemingly more important to 'them' than the selling. The fact that they buggered off and left the others..said it all to the audience. And the fact that she said what she said about her own team members?

You can't get much better than that for an insight of a sabatouer of their own team and a person who is definitely NOT a team player IMO.
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Old 07-05-2007, 03:09
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She didn't exactly bring her own intelligence and intellect into the equation when they walked into that Kebab shop, did she?
I don't see that as a big deal. So she missed the sign. It wasted about 2 minutes. Hardly a major error. At least she could laugh about it.

I can only assume it was nothing to report about.
Well, quite. You assume what you want to assume. If you don't like them you assume they made mistakes. I know enough of what happens behind the scenes of this show not to trust the editing. They also didn't show Adam doing well selling chutney; lots of positive things got left out. I think Paul's and Katie's "romance" was considered better TV and included irrespective of whether it was important to the task.

And the fact that she said what she said about her own team members?
Candidates are expected and required to critically assess their colleagues. She has a colourful style of speaking and doesn't pull her punches. What team people are on hardly signifies for the pieces to camera because they are all competing for the one job. As Sir Alan repeatedly has to remind the others. He wouldn't have to remind Katie.

You can't get much better than that for an insight of a sabatouer of their own team and a person who is definitely NOT a team player IMO.
I don't think she has ever deliberately sabotaged her own team. As far as I can tell, she did what her PM told her to the best of her ability. The PM said he wanted the best French speaker selling to shops. That's reasonable. For all we know she might have pointed out that one of them should stay with the stall; such a comment could be cut from the edit because it didn't fit the story the producers wanted to tell.
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Old 09-05-2007, 22:04
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Its seems Katie's only real weakness is she is letting the viewers see her for what she really is - a very sly, manipulative, nasty piece of work. In "real life" she would only ever reveal this side to her closest allies (like Paul) who would hang off her every word anyway.

There are people like this in every large company, and usually they are in the top positions as they have no problems stepping over anyone to get where they want to be.


Totally agree.
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Old 09-05-2007, 23:07
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Well, she took the gloves off in the boardroom this week. No pretence there. Adam had brought up her relationship with Paul last week, and again this week, so she felt justified in getting personal back.
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