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Forever Awkward
07-05-2007
Originally Posted by GiraffeGirl:
“Huh? He thinks Lee is inexperienced cos he listened to other people? Surely that's a sign of experience, that he recognises he isn't almighty and others can give him advice? Gah, I don't really understand ALW anymore! "It's now early days..." but its week 4!!! Not so much early days anymore!
Daniel surprised him how? By being the same as he has every other week?.”

1. No. Listening to and obeying whatever anyone else has to say smacks of not having imagination, or a professional or creative identity, and more than a little of desperation to win the contest at all contests.

2. James Morrison, Kelly Clarkson, Frank Sinatra and McFly are such similar artists with such similar styles
GiraffeGirl
07-05-2007
Originally Posted by Forever Awkward:
“1. No. Listening to and obeying whatever anyone else has to say smacks of not having imagination, or a professional or creative identity, and more than a little of desperation to win the contest at all contests.

2. James Morrison, Kelly Clarkson, Frank Sinatra and McFly are such similar artists with such similar styles ”

1. Whoever wins Joseph doesn't need a great amount of creativity, let's face it. Whilst acting does mean you need to engage with the role, he'll have to take direction more often than go "oh I have this great idea!!" I think all of them are desperate to win (they better be, otherwise why bother?!) and I think "at all costs" is quite a good way to compete... its not like they're strangling kittens or anything to win, just possibly wrecking their voices or whatever. Trying to please the judges isn't a bad thing.

2. I didn't say they were similar songs or styles of song... just that Daniel, to me, sings the same way every week. He might alter the song or the tempo or a few arm movements but it's still him. And that's fine if it's a singing competition. But it isn't, it's a musical theatre competition. Acting has to be the main part, so I'd just like to see a bit more involvement with the story behind the song... which isn't easy with the songs any of them have been given.

Also, I don't think John and Denise looked silly this week. They didn't say he was bad, I just know where they're coming from. Daniel has largely sung nice cheerful songs and they want to see something different. It's possible that they were actually making that point to ALW at the same time... i.e. give him a different type of song.

I think Daniel has a nice voice and looks good, but he needs stretching and whilst he isn't being given huge opportunities with the songs he's had so far, he should be grabbing every chance he can to step away from the sort performances he'd given so far. Different moods etc.
tellyaddict82
07-05-2007
Originally Posted by GiraffeGirl:
“1. Whoever wins Joseph doesn't need a great amount of creativity, let's face it. Whilst acting does mean you need to engage with the role, he'll have to take direction more often than go "oh I have this great idea!!" I think all of them are desperate to win (they better be, otherwise why bother?!) and I think "at all costs" is quite a good way to compete... its not like they're strangling kittens or anything to win, just possibly wrecking their voices or whatever. Trying to please the judges isn't a bad thing.

2. I didn't say they were similar songs or styles of song... just that Daniel, to me, sings the same way every week. He might alter the song or the tempo or a few arm movements but it's still him. And that's fine if it's a singing competition. But it isn't, it's a musical theatre competition. Acting has to be the main part, so I'd just like to see a bit more involvement with the story behind the song... which isn't easy with the songs any of them have been given.

Also, I don't think John and Denise looked silly this week. They didn't say he was bad, I just know where they're coming from. Daniel has largely sung nice cheerful songs and they want to see something different. It's possible that they were actually making that point to ALW at the same time... i.e. give him a different type of song.

I think Daniel has a nice voice and looks good, but he needs stretching and whilst he isn't being given huge opportunities with the songs he's had so far, he should be grabbing every chance he can to step away from the sort performances he'd given so far. Different moods etc.”


I agree Denise and John were only saying what everyone is thinking Daniel needs to show he can play "nasty" a "bad boy" and "arrogant" which I believe he can.

Lets hope this week he gets to show all this and prove why he can be Joseph
Forever Awkward
07-05-2007
Originally Posted by GiraffeGirl:
“1. Whoever wins Joseph doesn't need a great amount of creativity, let's face it. Whilst acting does mean you need to engage with the role, he'll have to take direction more often than go "oh I have this great idea!!" I think all of them are desperate to win (they better be, otherwise why bother?!) and I think "at all costs" is quite a good way to compete... its not like they're strangling kittens or anything to win, just possibly wrecking their voices or whatever. Trying to please the judges isn't a bad thing.”

All actors have to take direction from their directors, all singers and musicians have to take direction from their producers and conductors but giving of yourself and making a part, song or musical piece your own and identifiable with you is the difference between a good actor, singer or performer and a star.

Originally Posted by GiraffeGirl:
“2. I didn't say they were similar songs or styles of song... just that Daniel, to me, sings the same way every week. He might alter the song or the tempo or a few arm movements but it's still him. And that's fine if it's a singing competition. But it isn't, it's a musical theatre competition. Acting has to be the main part, so I'd just like to see a bit more involvement with the story behind the song... which isn't easy with the songs any of them have been given.”

Firstly, having an identity and/or identifiable style, vocal and visual, is what being a star is all about. That is what Daniel has. Whatever song he sings, he rises to the occasion and is able to convey the feeling and style of the song and lyric but is still Daniel.

Originally Posted by GiraffeGirl:
“Also, I don't think John and Denise looked silly this week. They didn't say he was bad, I just know where they're coming from. Daniel has largely sung nice cheerful songs and they want to see something different. It's possible that they were actually making that point to ALW at the same time... i.e. give him a different type of song.”

Denise and John looked ridiculous. They took the shilling and shame on them. My toes curled watching and listening to them, particularly as they were both giving such unconvincing performances.
GiraffeGirl
07-05-2007
We'll agree to disagree then.
IKWSDD
08-05-2007
http://www.bbc.co.uk/joseph/news/2007/05/08/43912.shtml
Snippy
08-05-2007
oops!
Jayden
08-05-2007
Originally Posted by Forever Awkward:
“Denise and John looked ridiculous. They took the shilling and shame on them. My toes curled watching and listening to them, particularly as they were both giving such unconvincing performances.”

I loved how ALW silenced them with his words and made them look like they didnt have a clue what they were on about. I've said it before that you cant give a McFly songchoice and then turn around and say, well we wanted to see a nasty side of you??? Its MCFLY!, good grief!

I really hope ALW gives Daniel a wicked song next saturday and blows them all away (which he does for me on a regular basis )
froglet
08-05-2007
Originally Posted by Jayden:
“I loved how ALW silenced them with his words and made them look like they didnt have a clue what they were on about. I've said it before that you cant give a McFly songchoice and then turn around and say, well we wanted to see a nasty side of you??? Its MCFLY!, good grief!

I really hope ALW gives Daniel a wicked song next saturday and blows them all away (which he does for me on a regular basis )”


I don't see how it could possibly be a bad thing to show every single one of them off in the best possible light. What is the point of giving them songs which don't suit them, or which don't allow them to show their abilities to the fullest extent? Exactly how helpful is it to know that Lee isn't at his best singing a rock song, that Daniel can look cheesy if he's made to sing a cheesy song, that Rob's energy and vitality aren't really useful singing a Take That song, that Lewis looks a bit samey when given another nothing number, etc etc. The only one who hit the jackpot was Keith. If all the Josephs had been given a song which they could storm the way he could that one we'd have really had a show. Almost all the ones left in now are very talented indeed. It would be good to let us see it.
IKWSDD
08-05-2007
Originally Posted by froglet:
“I don't see how it could possibly be a bad thing to show every single one of them off in the best possible light. What is the point of giving them songs which don't suit them, or which don't allow them to show their abilities to the fullest extent? Exactly how helpful is it to know that Lee isn't at his best singing a rock song, that Daniel can look cheesy if he's made to sing a cheesy song, that Rob's energy and vitality aren't really useful singing a Take That song, that Lewis looks a bit samey when given another nothing number, etc etc. The only one who hit the jackpot was Keith. If all the Josephs had been given a song which they could storm the way he could that one we'd have really had a show. Almost all the ones left in now are very talented indeed. It would be good to let us see it.”

I agree, but if they did what you say, people would turn off, they wouldnt want to see great singers all the time, they want to see them fall from grace because its more interesting to watch. Which is a shame. But thats the way of TV these days
shoequeen
08-05-2007
Originally Posted by froglet:
“I don't see how it could possibly be a bad thing to show every single one of them off in the best possible light. What is the point of giving them songs which don't suit them, or which don't allow them to show their abilities to the fullest extent? Exactly how helpful is it to know that Lee isn't at his best singing a rock song, that Daniel can look cheesy if he's made to sing a cheesy song, that Rob's energy and vitality aren't really useful singing a Take That song, that Lewis looks a bit samey when given another nothing number, etc etc. The only one who hit the jackpot was Keith. If all the Josephs had been given a song which they could storm the way he could that one we'd have really had a show. Almost all the ones left in now are very talented indeed. It would be good to let us see it.”

Totally agree.
sadie1
08-05-2007
I think what people have to remember is ALW is making a
reality TV show, its not a proper audition situation, so he has to be controversial its all about viewing figures
He builds them up one week to knock them down the next.
keeps people interested.
jcello
08-05-2007
I'd love to see them all do their "best" versions of the same showstopper musical theatre song. Like compulsories in ice dancing. Maybe even a "Greatest Hits of John Barrowman" week where they have to cover a showtune HE covered. Give everyone the same material and a week to make it a polished, personal performance. No silly crap "missions" other than to - gasp - DO A GOOD JOB.
GiraffeGirl
10-05-2007
An idea that came to me today:
For final three (or more, just I can't see them doing it with more) they have a set scene from the show to perform, one after the other, and we see an actual scene, with a song and acting and all sorts. Then we'd be able to see them a) perform a showtune, b) act like in a musical, and c) give an all-round performance like they will have to in the theatre.

A good idea or the product of a very sleep-deprived and pre-fluey mind?
IKWSDD
10-05-2007
Originally Posted by GiraffeGirl:
“An idea that came to me today:
For final three (or more, just I can't see them doing it with more) they have a set scene from the show to perform, one after the other, and we see an actual scene, with a song and acting and all sorts. Then we'd be able to see them a) perform a showtune, b) act like in a musical, and c) give an all-round performance like they will have to in the theatre.

A good idea or the product of a very sleep-deprived and pre-fluey mind?”

I would love to watch that, i'd tune in
rosieeee
11-05-2007
Originally Posted by froglet:
“I don't see how it could possibly be a bad thing to show every single one of them off in the best possible light. What is the point of giving them songs which don't suit them, or which don't allow them to show their abilities to the fullest extent? Exactly how helpful is it to know that Lee isn't at his best singing a rock song, that Daniel can look cheesy if he's made to sing a cheesy song, that Rob's energy and vitality aren't really useful singing a Take That song, that Lewis looks a bit samey when given another nothing number, etc etc. The only one who hit the jackpot was Keith. If all the Josephs had been given a song which they could storm the way he could that one we'd have really had a show. Almost all the ones left in now are very talented indeed. It would be good to let us see it.”

totally, totally agree - it is time to fine tune them now and see the best they have - this is a competition for a part that requires stamina and interest from the audience - they have to command attention from us fee paying public for a long time - let us see what they are made of and give them ALL good songs that they can do well.
rosieeee
11-05-2007
Originally Posted by GiraffeGirl:
“An idea that came to me today:
For final three (or more, just I can't see them doing it with more) they have a set scene from the show to perform, one after the other, and we see an actual scene, with a song and acting and all sorts. Then we'd be able to see them a) perform a showtune, b) act like in a musical, and c) give an all-round performance like they will have to in the theatre.

A good idea or the product of a very sleep-deprived and pre-fluey mind?”


sounds like a good idea to me.
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