Kristina will win - already you can tell that SAS likes Kristina and he really doesn't seem to like Katie...
Kristina vs Katie
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I was very amused by the way Katie started to crumble as soon as she realised she couldn't win Sir Alan over in a second, as she'd expected to. She got really ruffled when she realised he wasn't remotely charmed by her "wit" or her scathing and spiteful put-downs of Adam. I loved the way she made a fool of herself when she put "Sweetie" on the end of her jibes and then looked to Sir Alan for approval, (you could just see her thinking "I bet you've never come across anyone as great as before have you Sir Alan?) Then when realised he wasn't giving it, she started to unravel and make herself look more and more stupid. Priceless! Hubris at its most fun.
Kristina is far more of a tough cookie than Katie realises. I like Kristina (lolly sales technique notwithstanding). She tough, and she may be quite ruthless in a business sense, but she does know where to draw the line in a personal sense. She didn't like Katie's Pinot Grigio comment, and obviously thought it was quite nasty (which it was). I think SAS likes Kristina a lot, because she's unlikely to deliberately cause trouble with other people she's working with, but she will work hard. My money's on her to win it.
It would be like two cats in a bag only with more fur flying then a dozen cats.
In the end though I have to agree Kristina will win, being a mother and having still kept her business career going she knows how to keep personal and business separate. Katie on the other hand, will hang from her own petard with her cultural and class issues (whether its business or personal differences). Hopefully with that smug, sanctimonious grin on her face as she slides into oblivion.
In the end though I have to agree Kristina will win, being a mother and having still kept her business career going she knows how to keep personal and business separate. Katie on the other hand, will hang from her own petard with her cultural and class issues (whether its business or personal differences). Hopefully with that smug, sanctimonious grin on her face as she slides into oblivion.
Originally Posted by brangdon:
“Kristina fights cleaner? This is the woman who gave a lolly to a child and then asked the parents for £2.50? This is the woman who brought up Katie's relationship with Paul in the boardroom?”
“Kristina fights cleaner? This is the woman who gave a lolly to a child and then asked the parents for £2.50? This is the woman who brought up Katie's relationship with Paul in the boardroom?”
Thank you brangdon, I was beginning to wonder if I was the only one who had noticed that side to her. In a way it could be argued that Kristina is just as bad as Katie, where Katie does it to the camera, Kristina does it in the boardroom. I thought her face was a picture when SAS told Katie that it was Kristina who had "dropped" her in it.
I think it will be a very close fight if both women have to go up against each other and I wouldn't like to predict the outcome. To be honest I've yet to see either make constructive criticisms of their opponents in the BR without validating their arguments with a personal dig.
Originally Posted by *Laura*:
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I think it will be a very close fight if both women have to go up against each other and I wouldn't like to predict the outcome. To be honest I've yet to see either make constructive criticisms of their opponents in the BR without validating their arguments with a personal dig.”
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I think it will be a very close fight if both women have to go up against each other and I wouldn't like to predict the outcome. To be honest I've yet to see either make constructive criticisms of their opponents in the BR without validating their arguments with a personal dig.”
I don't think it will be a close outcome at all. I was dissapointed in Katie last night, and i dislike her with a passion. Far from being supremely intelligent and cutting, which is what she thinks she is, she was just beligerant and patronising. When the best she could come up with was talking over adam and saying she had to because he was dull was just childish, like the rest of her display. And i suspect this only worked because Adam had resigned himself already to being fired, so he didn't fight back much like he had when he won his place back against all the other people.
+ I think katie has shot herself in the foot with so much bitching and making a personal vendetta against adam and then kristina. She tried to get ghazul on side in the taxi and it was working, but as soon as they got back and she started lieing about what SAS said it was clear she lost that ally already...
The one thing that amazes me though is how Ghazul has survived so long, in almost every task so far she has been absolutely useless, but SAS has been too preoccupied with bigger characters and she has slipped through.
yaruar: Like Katies, I've yet to see Kristina really go for someone in the BR without making it personal, that's why I believe it would be close. I think the two women would be downright spiteful in if pit against each other with lots of "eyerolling" to back up their points.
I would love a three way tussle between Kristina, Tre and Katie. Now that would be superb viewing!!
I would love a three way tussle between Kristina, Tre and Katie. Now that would be superb viewing!!
Kristina will wipe the floor with Katie.
She's also an interesting mix of Ruth Badger and Michelle from series 2. Stands her in good stead with SAS, don't ya think?
She's also an interesting mix of Ruth Badger and Michelle from series 2. Stands her in good stead with SAS, don't ya think?
Originally Posted by ~V~:
“i am so looking forward to her comeuppance. and i'm wondering if she's watching it all and actually seeing how she comes across. if not, just watching the 'you're fired' show should make it perfectly obvious”
“i am so looking forward to her comeuppance. and i'm wondering if she's watching it all and actually seeing how she comes across. if not, just watching the 'you're fired' show should make it perfectly obvious”
Unfortunately, even if Katie is watching the series I don't think she would be worried about how she's coming across. She's clearly convinced in her own mind that she is wonderful and anybody who doesn't appreciate her is just inferior.
Originally Posted by benson_79:
“Unfortunately, even if Katie is watching the series I don't think she would be worried about how she's coming across. She's clearly convinced in her own mind that she is wonderful and anybody who doesn't appreciate her is just inferior.”
“Unfortunately, even if Katie is watching the series I don't think she would be worried about how she's coming across. She's clearly convinced in her own mind that she is wonderful and anybody who doesn't appreciate her is just inferior.”
I agree. It takes someone spectacularly lacking in self-awareness to come out with all those snide, sneery, snobbish jibes about "the North/used car salesman" and Kristina's "orange" complexion. People who think and talk like that never contemplate for a second the possibility that they might be wrong; instead, as you right said, they label anyone who dislikes them as inferior and worthless.
Katie really reminds me of someone...a woman called Joanna something who often crops up on religious discussion programmes and sneers at everyone who disagrees with her. Anyone else seen this Joanna woman and noticed the similarity?
If I was Kristina, when Katie had come back to the house last night I would have said 'yes I did mention your relationship with Paul in the Boardroom because it affected the task'
why hide it, Katie didn't have the balls to confront Kristina head on, she just made sly digs about it and Kristina should have noticed that
why hide it, Katie didn't have the balls to confront Kristina head on, she just made sly digs about it and Kristina should have noticed that
I back Kristina all the way. I think Katie is a nasty bitch. I can't wait to see it all fall around her.
I preferred kristina for the past few episodes but i definately seen a different side to her last night
As much as katie is a manipulative back stabbing cow, Kristina is actually just as bad.
As much as katie is a manipulative back stabbing cow, Kristina is actually just as bad.
Originally Posted by c graham:
“I preferred kristina for the past few episodes but i definately seen a different side to her last night
As much as katie is a manipulative back stabbing cow, Kristina is actually just as bad.”
“I preferred kristina for the past few episodes but i definately seen a different side to her last night
As much as katie is a manipulative back stabbing cow, Kristina is actually just as bad.”
I agree.
Infact I think Kristina is worse in that respect.
Katie while being extremely venomous and open about her opinions of certain people in interviews to camera but taking those soundbites away when it comes to the tasks I don't think she's as disruptive or as manipulative as quite a few of the contestants there are. Kristina especially who creates this illusion of being upfront and honest to hide her dishonesty and who has displayed quite a few times she is an opportunist will step on people to get what she wants.
Personally given the choice I'd rather work with Katie because she'd just hate my guts, Kristina however you'd always be watching your back because like you or not if you were in her way she'd try and destroy you.
Originally Posted by brumilad:
“I agree.
Infact I think Kristina is worse in that respect.
Katie while being extremely venomous and open about her opinions of certain people in interviews to camera but taking those soundbites away when it comes to the tasks I don't think she's as disruptive or as manipulative as quite a few of the contestants there are. Kristina especially who creates this illusion of being upfront and honest to hide her dishonesty and who has displayed quite a few times she is an opportunist will step on people to get what she wants.
Personally given the choice I'd rather work with Katie because she'd just hate my guts, Kristina however you'd always be watching your back because like you or not if you were in her way she'd try and destroy you.”
“I agree.
Infact I think Kristina is worse in that respect.
Katie while being extremely venomous and open about her opinions of certain people in interviews to camera but taking those soundbites away when it comes to the tasks I don't think she's as disruptive or as manipulative as quite a few of the contestants there are. Kristina especially who creates this illusion of being upfront and honest to hide her dishonesty and who has displayed quite a few times she is an opportunist will step on people to get what she wants.
Personally given the choice I'd rather work with Katie because she'd just hate my guts, Kristina however you'd always be watching your back because like you or not if you were in her way she'd try and destroy you.”
I tend to agree. Kristina is quite happy to walk over anyone to get what she wants. I suspect that Katie just enjoys being bitchy. I think Kristina is the more ambitious out of the two. I'm not convinced that Sir Alan will take either of them on as his apprentice. My money's on Lohit.
Brumilad: But Katie doesn't just dislike people, she actively tries to and in SAS' words 'poison others against [insert person]' and is a 'political animal'. She also couldn't answer him when he asked her if she was honest, she just looked coy and self satisfied instead. Also, when she got personal in retaliation it was a totally unfounded implication of too much alcohol affecting decision. Whereas when Adam said in the previous task, in response to SAS asking why Katie wasn't in the boardroom instead, that Paul couldn't bring Katie in because they were too close friends and Kristina went further and called it a 'personal relationship' whilst giving an example it was pertinent to the task failure. Yes, all three of them hence got personal in the boardroom but that doesn't make them the same - they were different situations with different contexts - and it wasn't the first time Katie and Paul's flirtation got in the way of the task, just look at the Richmond task where they wouldn't listen to their team leader, actively went against him and laughed about it like it was funny. Their behaviour would have led to failure had Adam not suggested going with the sing-o-gram idea.
Kristina is shrewd too - befriending Katie to get rid of Adam (who was probably dangerous to her because he knew about the revelation in the boardroom) and then realising she'd be against Katie after Katie found out. But at least her criticisms have a basis and she's proactive about fixing things that are going wrong, whereas Katie is just vindictive and vicious for the sake of it.
Kristina is shrewd too - befriending Katie to get rid of Adam (who was probably dangerous to her because he knew about the revelation in the boardroom) and then realising she'd be against Katie after Katie found out. But at least her criticisms have a basis and she's proactive about fixing things that are going wrong, whereas Katie is just vindictive and vicious for the sake of it.
Originally Posted by *Laura*:
“Thank you brangdon, I was beginning to wonder if I was the only one who had noticed that side to her. In a way it could be argued that Kristina is just as bad as Katie, where Katie does it to the camera, Kristina does it in the boardroom. I thought her face was a picture when SAS told Katie that it was Kristina who had "dropped" her in it.
I think it will be a very close fight if both women have to go up against each other and I wouldn't like to predict the outcome. To be honest I've yet to see either make constructive criticisms of their opponents in the BR without validating their arguments with a personal dig.”
“Thank you brangdon, I was beginning to wonder if I was the only one who had noticed that side to her. In a way it could be argued that Kristina is just as bad as Katie, where Katie does it to the camera, Kristina does it in the boardroom. I thought her face was a picture when SAS told Katie that it was Kristina who had "dropped" her in it.
I think it will be a very close fight if both women have to go up against each other and I wouldn't like to predict the outcome. To be honest I've yet to see either make constructive criticisms of their opponents in the BR without validating their arguments with a personal dig.”
Isn't that more honest and upfront, and indication of a stronger character?
Originally Posted by lumpbottom:
“Isn't that more honest and upfront, and indication of a stronger character?”
“Isn't that more honest and upfront, and indication of a stronger character?”
I'd say so, at least then the person under attack knows it.
Originally Posted by lumpbottom:
“Isn't that more honest and upfront, and indication of a stronger character?”
“Isn't that more honest and upfront, and indication of a stronger character?”
It would be if the person was there! Katie was nowhere to be seen when she mentioned the affair and both Adam and Kristina agreed not to tell the others what had been said. A strong, upfront character would have said "oh and SAS knows about your affair, because I told him". Her face was a picture when SAS told Katie that it was Kristina who had told him and she was going hell for leather on damage limitation with the others before Katie came back to the house. I honestly don't think there's much between the two women, both are as manipulative and devious as the other.
Katie come across as being pretty intelligent but I've noticed she cannot hack it when it comes to dealing with the other Apprenctice candidates.
When loverboy Paul was project manager she didn't say to him taking cheese was a bad idea and then to the camera she said "it wasn't a spectacular decision" SO why not say that to Paul? The only one that said anything was Kristina and Katie called her a "snake in the grass" WTF?
Just be honest and your team might actually start winning tasks! She is intelligent so a bit of input into the tasks might see her go a lot further instead of just bitching to the camera all the time.
She always says how she feels to the camera and most of it is pretty nasty stuff. When she found out Kristina had talked about her relationship with Paul she couldn't confront her properly. She talked to Ghazal about it but when they got back to the house she started trying to be all cryptic about "someone has been feeding Adam lies" etc. Kristina immediately asked if she was talking about something she had said and Katie went off lying about what SAS has said. She couldn't even look at Kristina!
Katie is a nasty piece of work, dishonest and I really hope Kristina wipes the floor with her.
When loverboy Paul was project manager she didn't say to him taking cheese was a bad idea and then to the camera she said "it wasn't a spectacular decision" SO why not say that to Paul? The only one that said anything was Kristina and Katie called her a "snake in the grass" WTF?
Just be honest and your team might actually start winning tasks! She is intelligent so a bit of input into the tasks might see her go a lot further instead of just bitching to the camera all the time.
She always says how she feels to the camera and most of it is pretty nasty stuff. When she found out Kristina had talked about her relationship with Paul she couldn't confront her properly. She talked to Ghazal about it but when they got back to the house she started trying to be all cryptic about "someone has been feeding Adam lies" etc. Kristina immediately asked if she was talking about something she had said and Katie went off lying about what SAS has said. She couldn't even look at Kristina!
Katie is a nasty piece of work, dishonest and I really hope Kristina wipes the floor with her.
Hobson's Choice. Not a fan of either of them, tbh, but I think Kristina would get the better of her. She's less likely to get emotional and go off on a tangent...like Katie did this week in the boardroom.
Originally Posted by hannahb39:
“Katie come across as being pretty intelligent but I've noticed she cannot hack it when it comes to dealing with the other Apprenctice candidates.
When loverboy Paul was project manager she didn't say to him taking cheese was a bad idea and then to the camera she said "it wasn't a spectacular decision" SO why not say that to Paul? The only one that said anything was Kristina and Katie called her a "snake in the grass" WTF?
Just be honest and your team might actually start winning tasks! She is intelligent so a bit of input into the tasks might see her go a lot further instead of just bitching to the camera all the time.
She always says how she feels to the camera and most of it is pretty nasty stuff. When she found out Kristina had talked about her relationship with Paul she couldn't confront her properly. She talked to Ghazal about it but when they got back to the house she started trying to be all cryptic about "someone has been feeding Adam lies" etc. Kristina immediately asked if she was talking about something she had said and Katie went off lying about what SAS has said. She couldn't even look at Kristina!
Katie is a nasty piece of work, dishonest and I really hope Kristina wipes the floor with her.”
“Katie come across as being pretty intelligent but I've noticed she cannot hack it when it comes to dealing with the other Apprenctice candidates.
When loverboy Paul was project manager she didn't say to him taking cheese was a bad idea and then to the camera she said "it wasn't a spectacular decision" SO why not say that to Paul? The only one that said anything was Kristina and Katie called her a "snake in the grass" WTF?
Just be honest and your team might actually start winning tasks! She is intelligent so a bit of input into the tasks might see her go a lot further instead of just bitching to the camera all the time.
She always says how she feels to the camera and most of it is pretty nasty stuff. When she found out Kristina had talked about her relationship with Paul she couldn't confront her properly. She talked to Ghazal about it but when they got back to the house she started trying to be all cryptic about "someone has been feeding Adam lies" etc. Kristina immediately asked if she was talking about something she had said and Katie went off lying about what SAS has said. She couldn't even look at Kristina!
Katie is a nasty piece of work, dishonest and I really hope Kristina wipes the floor with her.”
Totally agree.
Kristina is very ambitious and will do whatever it takes to get that job. But Katie is just plain nasty and is trying to turn people against her own enemies. When Katie was trying to cryptically tell the others that Kristina had been "feeding Sir Alan lies" (which she hadn't btw), Kristina immediately said "Are you referring to me?" She didn't sit back like most would have done and just stayed quiet but immediately brought the issue up.
I don't agree with all of Kristina's methods but admire her alot more than Katie. Also, unlike Katie, Kristina is actually very good in the tasks. Katie bitches about others and complains but she isn't even very good in the tasks anyway!
Originally Posted by Ethereal:
“Totally agree.
I don't agree with all of Kristina's methods but admire her alot more than Katie. Also, unlike Katie, Kristina is actually very good in the tasks. Katie bitches about others and complains but she isn't even very good in the tasks anyway!”
“Totally agree.
I don't agree with all of Kristina's methods but admire her alot more than Katie. Also, unlike Katie, Kristina is actually very good in the tasks. Katie bitches about others and complains but she isn't even very good in the tasks anyway!”
I, too, admire Kristina more than Katie. However I do think that Katie has actually been very good at some tasks. She was the best in the team at charming the photographers. She got them the 'lips' woman (albeit a poisoned chalice) and may well have won them the horses if she'd been there instead of the counterproductive Natalie.
Katie also lead her doggie task team well, and negotiated very well in Wednesday's shopping task (possibly better than Kristina did - though it's hard to tell because it's so edited).
In other tasks, I've felt she didn't always try so hard (ie Tre's gardening task).
I'm no Katie fan, but I think she deserves credit for some ability.
Well to say Kristina isn't upfront because she brought up Katie and Paul in the BR when Katie wasn't there is a pretty stupid thing to say, considering Paul was. It was brought up because their affair was affecting both Paul and Katie in the task and was a major factor in them failing the task.
Kristina would easily wipe the floor with Katie. Katie kept saying "i Don't want to get Personal, But. . ." (Spouts off for about 5 minutes in a totally personal attack) whereas Kristina would just tell her to shut up and explain why she would be Sh*t at the job. Which she would be considering she would rather do badly on a task to make others get fired than show how good she may actually be by winning the task despite the dead wood and hope for a switch the next week and not have the possibility of getting fired. Katie thinks far too highly of herself and from what we have seen, its unfounded. As adam said, she thinks because she is Posh, she is superior. Can't wait for Sir Alan to fire her. I think her shouting at Adam in the board room which to be fair was completely unnecessary and just rude really showed her true colours and SA was far from impressed
Kristina would easily wipe the floor with Katie. Katie kept saying "i Don't want to get Personal, But. . ." (Spouts off for about 5 minutes in a totally personal attack) whereas Kristina would just tell her to shut up and explain why she would be Sh*t at the job. Which she would be considering she would rather do badly on a task to make others get fired than show how good she may actually be by winning the task despite the dead wood and hope for a switch the next week and not have the possibility of getting fired. Katie thinks far too highly of herself and from what we have seen, its unfounded. As adam said, she thinks because she is Posh, she is superior. Can't wait for Sir Alan to fire her. I think her shouting at Adam in the board room which to be fair was completely unnecessary and just rude really showed her true colours and SA was far from impressed
Originally Posted by rivercity_rules:
“Well to say Kristina isn't upfront because she brought up Katie and Paul in the BR when Katie wasn't there is a pretty stupid thing to say, considering Paul was. It was brought up because their affair was affecting both Paul and Katie in the task and was a major factor in them failing the task.
Kristina would easily wipe the floor with Katie. Katie kept saying "i Don't want to get Personal, But. . ." (Spouts off for about 5 minutes in a totally personal attack) whereas Kristina would just tell her to shut up and explain why she would be Sh*t at the job. Which she would be considering she would rather do badly on a task to make others get fired than show how good she may actually be by winning the task despite the dead wood and hope for a switch the next week and not have the possibility of getting fired. Katie thinks far too highly of herself and from what we have seen, its unfounded. As adam said, she thinks because she is Posh, she is superior. Can't wait for Sir Alan to fire her. I think her shouting at Adam in the board room which to be fair was completely unnecessary and just rude really showed her true colours and SA was far from impressed”
“Well to say Kristina isn't upfront because she brought up Katie and Paul in the BR when Katie wasn't there is a pretty stupid thing to say, considering Paul was. It was brought up because their affair was affecting both Paul and Katie in the task and was a major factor in them failing the task.
Kristina would easily wipe the floor with Katie. Katie kept saying "i Don't want to get Personal, But. . ." (Spouts off for about 5 minutes in a totally personal attack) whereas Kristina would just tell her to shut up and explain why she would be Sh*t at the job. Which she would be considering she would rather do badly on a task to make others get fired than show how good she may actually be by winning the task despite the dead wood and hope for a switch the next week and not have the possibility of getting fired. Katie thinks far too highly of herself and from what we have seen, its unfounded. As adam said, she thinks because she is Posh, she is superior. Can't wait for Sir Alan to fire her. I think her shouting at Adam in the board room which to be fair was completely unnecessary and just rude really showed her true colours and SA was far from impressed”
I'm sorry but that applied equally to Kristina this week.
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