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Old 11-05-2007, 13:12
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Perhaps she could be in a show where the contestants get run over in a car sales lot? Or maybe something filmed on location in Yorkshire or Lancashire?
Or a little uninhabited island off Shetland.
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Old 11-05-2007, 13:14
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Or a little uninhabited island off Shetland.
Do you mean Stanstead?
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Old 11-05-2007, 13:34
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I think we've had an Irish one, but some here thought she said orange.
I'm sure she said Irish.
No, to be fair I can't stand Katie but it was definitely Orange.
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Old 11-05-2007, 17:14
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She said how can you take someone seriously who is that orange. If she had said Irish rather than orange I think there would have - rightly - been more of a fuss made about it.
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Old 11-05-2007, 17:18
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She said how can you take someone seriously who is that orange. If she had said Irish rather than orange I think there would have - rightly - been more of a fuss made about it.
I have seen other posts where people thought she said Irish
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Old 11-05-2007, 17:41
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From the official BBC site:

On Kristina - '...a complete pain in the arse and frankly far too orange to be taken seriously'.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/apprentice/newsarticle/cid/67.html
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Old 11-05-2007, 20:44
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If she is calling people orange or taking the piss out of car salesmen all Katie's comments are highly offensive. Can you imagine her at school the head girl and chief bully.

I would rather mix with Adam's 'northern chums' than her lot!
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Old 11-05-2007, 21:20
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Whoever dragged her up to be such a snob should be ashamed.

Katie really is far too full of her own self importance. I bet her ex-workmates are glad she left, if she is not worried about saying things on camera, I guess she bitched big time behind the backs of everyone she worked with.

Anyone employing her in the future would be mad!
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Old 11-05-2007, 21:58
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I think we've had an Irish one, but some here thought she said orange.
I'm sure she said Irish.
I thought so too, but I couldn't be sure, even when I watched the repeat. We would need someone with a clip who could slow i.t down or replay it a number of times if necessary.
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Old 11-05-2007, 22:02
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that's a really interesting point about our reactions to Katies comments and how upset we get and how it is more 'OK' for Tre to make offensive remarks! Don't get me wrong, I think Katie is vile, but I guess it shows that we are all prejudiced in our own way.
Yes, some of the comments on here have been as distasteful as Katie's own, and the almost hero worship of Tre by some is sickening, like his own comments.
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Old 11-05-2007, 22:03
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I wonder what Katie thinks of SAS who has no 'breeding?'
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Old 11-05-2007, 22:05
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So actually you hear it a lot then?
Indeed so.
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Old 12-05-2007, 00:14
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It was just spite, though and seeing Adam as a big threat. She doesn't say anything about Ghazal (sp?) who is from even further north.
But, couldn't you argue that most people hear an accent from another country - even one which uses the same language - and describes it as 'language of that country' rather than 'regional variation thereof'?

At the same time, they can define lots of different accents within their own country. And attribute stereotypes to them.

So, how many British people talk about'an American accent' rather than a Texan/Minnesotan/Ohian/etc accent?

Arguably, Katie - as part of her snobbishness - can pick up the most miniscule difference between her accent and Adam's, and draw conclusions.

To her, perhaps, Ghazal and Kristina are just 'Scottish' and 'Irish' respectively. Even if Scots and Irish people 'hear' it differently.

Personally, as a Scot, Ghazal's accent carries a number of messages about where she grew up,education and so on. So what? The fact that I don't rate Ghazal has nothing to do with any of those things, so I wouldn't refer to them in saying why I feel she doesn't deserve to stay in the apprentice.

But, if Katie had the same ear for Scottish accents as she does for English ones, I suspect we'd see some very daming soundbites about Ghazal - all based on where she comes from.
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Old 12-05-2007, 00:20
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that's a really interesting point about our reactions to Katies comments and how upset we get and how it is more 'OK' for Tre to make offensive remarks! Don't get me wrong, I think Katie is vile, but I guess it shows that we are all prejudiced in our own way.
That's a good point.

For the record, I find both Katie and Tre jaw-droppingly offensive.

If I had to choose between them, I'd opt for Tre because he has shown his 'madman' side publicly as well as 'privately' (in video interviews)

Up until this week's boardroom, Katie seems to have been as nice as pie publicly; but the video interviews have told a different story
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Old 12-05-2007, 00:29
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"On Kristina - '...a complete pain in the arse and frankly far too orange to be taken seriously'. "

Maybe I've spent too much of my (all of my?) life being from the West of Scotland...

But describing someone as "far too orange to be taken seriously" is not just a statement about cosmetics...

That there's fighting political talk

Is Katie really so insular that this didn't occur to her when thinking up bitchy soundbites about her fellow would-be apprentices?
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Old 12-05-2007, 00:44
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Only once have I ever encountered any form of anti-nothern comment.

A couple of months ago a friend and I were having a conversation about where we'd like to be in 10 years (some comment on TV sparked it) and I mentioned that I was planning to move to Manchester in a few years time.

I was more than a little surprised when I received a loud grunt. I didn't ask him to explain it but the look of disgust on his face was shocking, and I knew exactly what he was thinking.

Katie's comments were nothing short of racism.
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Old 12-05-2007, 02:04
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Katie clearly thinks it's still 1987 and the so-called north-south divide still exists. Thing is, there are more yuppies in Leeds than London in Blair's New Britain. She's truly clueless.
Actually in terms of voting behaviour, people moving south and which areas get vastly disproportionate shares of government spending the north- south divide is growing again. The Labour party has been evicted from the South East and is losing the people it won over in the South and Midlands whilst the Conservatives are making little impact in the big northern cities.
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Old 12-05-2007, 08:17
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We moved south from Yorkshire a few years ago for job related reasons. The worst case of anti northernism I've come from was from a girl in my son's class at school who said she could never go out with anybody from 'the north'. My son was sad to discover such ignorance and prejudice at that level although he did say it made him think about what people feel when they are at the receiving end of real prejudice.

These little thoughtless comments that a lot of people dismiss as harmless can actually cause a lot of hurt.
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Old 12-05-2007, 11:52
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"On Kristina - '...a complete pain in the arse and frankly far too orange to be taken seriously'. "

Maybe I've spent too much of my (all of my?) life being from the West of Scotland...

But describing someone as "far too orange to be taken seriously" is not just a statement about cosmetics...

That there's fighting political talk

Is Katie really so insular that this didn't occur to her when thinking up bitchy soundbites about her fellow would-be apprentices?
I see where you're coming from with the Ulster Orange connotations, but Kristina's not from Northern Ireland, I don't think.
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Old 12-05-2007, 12:19
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I see where you're coming from with the Ulster Orange connotations, but Kristina's not from Northern Ireland, I don't think.
She seems to be from Harrogate, but she lived in Carrickfergus for some time with her ex-husband, so maybe picked up a bit of an accent.
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Old 12-05-2007, 15:17
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I see where you're coming from with the Ulster Orange connotations, but Kristina's not from Northern Ireland, I don't think.
I don't think Katie would have meant any Orange Order insinuation by that comment. Of course I don't know this for sure, but it seems to me highly unlikely.

Kristina is not from Northern Ireland, but she did live there when she was married.
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Old 12-05-2007, 15:59
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I just want to clarify that I never meant to sound as though I felt everyone in the south has Katie's mentality.

There are good and bad people in every area.

Also it was the bit about the "northern chums" that really ticked me off.

As for Tre's comments. It is odd, I wasn't offended by Tre's accent on the phone but when the guy sat next to him started doing his own version I found that pretty bad.
It's quite interesting. I have a couple of British-born and raised Indian friends, and they speak with British accents with friends, but then adapt a more asian accent when speaking to their parents for example. Maybe Tre was just adopting this to an extreme level.
I agree with someone else who said that Simon was just taking the piss out of Tre's 'fake' Asian accent. However, if Simon were speaking like that on the phone to that woman, that would be racist, as he's not Asian himself.

On the other hand, Tre has said some very bigoted things about women and French people, which I can't believe he has gotten off so lightly for.
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Old 12-05-2007, 16:03
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It's quite interesting. I have a couple of British-born and raised Indian friends, and they speak with British accents with friends, but then adapt a more asian accent when speaking to their parents for example.
I am a total accent sponge.

I am Scottish, and my accent varies according to what part of the country the person I'm speaking to comes from. Doesn't stop there though, it's the same with English accents if I'm in England, and I once came home from Wetherby THINKING in a Yorkshire accent
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Old 12-05-2007, 16:21
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I am a total accent sponge.

I am Scottish, and my accent varies according to what part of the country the person I'm speaking to comes from. Doesn't stop there though, it's the same with English accents if I'm in England, and I once came home from Wetherby THINKING in a Yorkshire accent
Haha... my accent is a cross-breed between posh, London (estuary), West Country and Northern!

I think the most infectious accent is definately Liverpudlian. Spend a day with someone from Liverpool and you'll speak Scouse by the end of it!
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Old 12-05-2007, 16:29
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Haha... my accent is a cross-breed between posh, London (estuary), West Country and Northern!

I think the most infectious accent is definately Liverpudlian. Spend a day with someone from Liverpool and you'll speak Scouse by the end of it!
Done that! Also a really broad Brummie
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