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Old 12-05-2007, 21:38
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It was as though Northerners are little more than stupid, quaint animals, and 'chums' was a very patronising way of putting it.
This reminds me a lot of that sketch in "Ruddy hell! It's Harry and Paul" where a posh southern family have a northerner they keep as a pet! I think that sums up her attitude nicely...
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Old 13-05-2007, 00:51
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My impression was that she thought Adam was thick. Does anyone have the exact quote?
Good point, and good question. As far as I can remember, all she said is that he should go back home to his Northern chums. If so than people are taking offence for no reason.

She does think he's thick, and frankly she's right.
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Old 13-05-2007, 00:55
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What particular comments of Tre's do you think are comparable, though?
Tre has said stereotypical things about the French and about women. For example, "The thing with us though is that we don't get all emotional like a bunch of women. [...]not that I'm a misgynist prick or anything." He said that the only reason for Jadine's upset was that she was having her period.
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Old 13-05-2007, 00:56
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Good point, and good question. As far as I can remember, all she said is that he should go back home to his Northern chums. If so than people are taking offence for no reason.

She does think he's thick, and frankly she's right.
It was more along the lines of, "he needs to head back up North, with all his Northern chums - where he belongs".
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Old 13-05-2007, 01:46
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It was more along the lines of, "he needs to head back up North, with all his Northern chums - where he belongs".

I think this quote subtly implies she thinks he's thick:

'Adam is a small school boy in very short shorts. If he was in my school he'd be in the C-stream and I would never have to deal with him and frankly that would suit me rather well.'
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Old 13-05-2007, 13:21
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It was more along the lines of, "he needs to head back up North, with all his Northern chums - where he belongs".
I'm struggling to see why anyone should find that offensive. She's not saying all Northern people are stupid or anything like that. (Obviously she thinks Adam is stupid, with reason, but she's not generalising.) This is a variation on saying he should go back to his parking lot, or go back to C-stream. She just wants him to go away, and doesn't much care where to.

Nor is "chums" offensive. Good grief. Some people are thin-skinned.
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Old 13-05-2007, 19:39
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I'm struggling to see why anyone should find that offensive. She's not saying all Northern people are stupid or anything like that. (Obviously she thinks Adam is stupid, with reason, but she's not generalising.) This is a variation on saying he should go back to his parking lot, or go back to C-stream. She just wants him to go away, and doesn't much care where to.

Nor is "chums" offensive. Good grief. Some people are thin-skinned.
I think the issue is more the way she said it rather than what she actually said. Every time she mentioned the 'North' she looked like she was chewing a wasp.
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Old 13-05-2007, 20:25
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I think the issue is more the way she said it rather than what she actually said. Every time she mentioned the 'North' she looked like she was chewing a wasp.
And also the fact that she says the North is where he belongs... Obviously implying she doesn't rate the North very highly, if she thinks it is fit for Adam.
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Old 13-05-2007, 20:30
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I'm struggling to see why anyone should find that offensive. She's not saying all Northern people are stupid or anything like that. (Obviously she thinks Adam is stupid, with reason, but she's not generalising.) This is a variation on saying he should go back to his parking lot, or go back to C-stream. She just wants him to go away, and doesn't much care where to.

Nor is "chums" offensive. Good grief. Some people are thin-skinned.
If that was the case, she wouldn't have even mentioned the North in any of her venomous statements as it wouldn't even be relevant.

The fact is, she did and did so in a derogatory way.
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Old 13-05-2007, 21:48
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Tre has said stereotypical things about the French and about women. For example, "The thing with us though is that we don't get all emotional like a bunch of women. [...]not that I'm a misgynist prick or anything." He said that the only reason for Jadine's upset was that she was having her period.
He didn't say it was the only reason. He was of the opinion that she was being moody and put this forward this as a possible reason. Some women do actually have mood swings around their periods; it has been used in courts of law as a defence in some cases of violence. It may not be terribly PC for him, as a man, to say it, but it's not an outrageous suggestion IMO.
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Old 14-05-2007, 12:36
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I think the issue is more the way she said it rather than what she actually said. Every time she mentioned the 'North' she looked like she was chewing a wasp.
Exactly, seeing the words on pc screen is one thing but hearing her speak them on tv screen is quite another and the consistent way she has enunciated has left me at least in no doubt of the dismissive contempt she holds for anything beyond the watford gap.
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Old 14-05-2007, 13:55
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And also the fact that she says the North is where he belongs... Obviously implying she doesn't rate the North very highly, if she thinks it is fit for Adam.
I think she just meant he didn't belong in London, in The Apprentice and near her. (London being the capital city; like it or not it is where the big money is, where competition is most fierce and therefore where excellence tends to accumulate.) She takes a personal interest in people and so knew where Adam came from and what his previous job was, so she includes these details in her comments to make them more colourful, more specific.
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Old 14-05-2007, 15:00
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just cuz we aint all posh. what difference does that make!

i love the northerners!!!
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Old 14-05-2007, 16:59
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I think she just meant he didn't belong in London, in The Apprentice and near her. (London being the capital city; like it or not it is where the big money is, where competition is most fierce and therefore where excellence tends to accumulate.) She takes a personal interest in people and so knew where Adam came from and what his previous job was, so she includes these details in her comments to make them more colourful, more specific.

Have you thought of asking Gordon Brown if he needs a spin doctor?
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Old 14-05-2007, 20:34
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I think she just meant he didn't belong in London, in The Apprentice and near her. (London being the capital city; like it or not it is where the big money is, where competition is most fierce and therefore where excellence tends to accumulate.) She takes a personal interest in people and so knew where Adam came from and what his previous job was, so she includes these details in her comments to make them more colourful, more specific.
................Oh, but of course. The woman is a saint. We have all misjudged her.

Just like that Fred West chap - yes, he did bump off most of his kids and bury them under the patio, but does anyone ever acknowledge that the man was a hard-working and reliable builder ?
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Old 15-05-2007, 20:58
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She's not a saint, but she's not Fred West either.
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Old 16-05-2007, 08:52
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I only saw her comments last night, I think she needs to keep it shut personally, no need to disrespect us Northerners, as if we are some how beneath her.

I wonder how many men she has been beneath to get to where she is
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Old 16-05-2007, 12:00
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He didn't say it was the only reason. He was of the opinion that she was being moody and put this forward this as a possible reason. Some women do actually have mood swings around their periods; it has been used in courts of law as a defence in some cases of violence. It may not be terribly PC for him, as a man, to say it, but it's not an outrageous suggestion IMO.

I agree. And I'm a woman! And to be honest, it would be nice to know that there was a reason for Jadine's bad moods, rather than her just being a moody so and so.
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Old 16-05-2007, 12:02
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I'm struggling to see why anyone should find that offensive. She's not saying all Northern people are stupid or anything like that. (Obviously she thinks Adam is stupid, with reason, but she's not generalising.) This is a variation on saying he should go back to his parking lot, or go back to C-stream. She just wants him to go away, and doesn't much care where to.

Nor is "chums" offensive. Good grief. Some people are thin-skinned.

The whole context of when she was saying it is important though. She was making a derogatory comment about Adam (who she actually seemed obsessed with), and it was clear from the way she was speaking that she was making a generalisation about all Northerners.
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Old 16-05-2007, 16:56
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My goodness, you all need to take off your tinted glasses when looking at the other contestants. Kristina is 2 faced, Simon was offensive in his mimicking a stereotype of asians, Tre is a hypocryte, being all precious about naked women, but being sexist in his comments (and just how can he have such standards when everything that comes out of his mouth is foul?). Adam LIED in the boardroom (although he claimed later it was a mistake). So ok maybe Katie isn't perfect, but really are any of them?

And let's face it, Adam WAS thick.
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Old 16-05-2007, 17:02
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My goodness, you all need to take off your tinted glasses when looking at the other contestants. Kristina is 2 faced, Simon was offensive in his mimicking a stereotype of asians, Tre is a hypocryte, being all precious about naked women, but being sexist in his comments (and just how can he have such standards when everything that comes out of his mouth is foul?). Adam LIED in the boardroom (although he claimed later it was a mistake). So ok maybe Katie isn't perfect, but really are any of them?

And let's face it, Adam WAS thick.
I didn't think he was. Certainly no more thick than Katie, who imagines she can get up to what Siralan quaintly describes as 'funny business' in a houseful of people after the same job as her - and that no one will use it against her. I thought she was supposed to be sharp.
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Old 16-05-2007, 17:16
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I didn't think he was.
Ok let's look at his attempt to save his bacon last week:[LIST][*]"I can sell" - ok yes you sold some paintings (and yes I know Katie didn't, but think about it, they all wanted the lips artist and the horse artist, but didn't get the horse artist because that was the one artist that Katie never got to pitch for)[*]"I can negotiate" - hmmm, let's revisit that Peugot parts negotiation again shall we? "Is there anything you can do on the price?" - "No". "Nothing at all?" - "No". "Is there nothing you can do on the price?" - "No" . . . . great negotiation!!!! Whereas Katie gets a chemist to lower his price on leg wax!!!![*]"I can lead a team" - well no actually you can't as that task showed. And let's see Katie led and won on her task[/LIST]
And then his complaint that it was unfair to lose and that he really wanted to go car racing - he WAS just like a little c-stream school boy then in his shorts.

And finally in the taxi - people perceived him as the threat (REALLY???!!!! Do you REALLY think that . . .sweetie??)
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Old 16-05-2007, 17:34
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Now you're scaring me with that Sweetie thing (and all the excessive punctuation). I notice you don't respond to my comment about Katie's fairly major misjudgement, either.

It's interesting that in Katie's defence you highlight the photography task. I, too, thought that was one of her better tasks - but the bottom line was that Adam contributed to the team's coffers by selling pictures and Katie didn't - so she performed worse on the criteria by which Siralan was measuring the task (which team ended up with most money).

This 'little C stream boy in shorts' twaddle does you no credit - unless you're being ironic and are actually trying to sound like Katie (or ARE Katie?; we've already had Adam on here). Adam's quite clearly not 'thick'. He may not be your idea of a deserving apprentice but there's no need to be so excessively offensive.

This is the same mistake Katie makes. On balance, she may have business attributes better suited to the job than Adam – and quite possibly many of the others – but her inability to keep a lid on her spite and malice makes her a seriously loose cannon and unpleasant to be around. Any business skills she has (and I grant that she has some) are negated by her lack of social skills. She can fake them for a while, but the cracks soon show and the poison seeps out. Fortunately for Siralan he's had a while to get to know her properly, which is why I doubt he'll be finding a place for this particular viper in his company - however smooth she may initially appear.
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Old 16-05-2007, 18:07
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Now you're scaring me with that Sweetie thing (and all the excessive punctuation). I notice you don't respond to my comment about Katie's fairly major misjudgement, either.

It's interesting that in Katie's defence you highlight the photography task. I, too, thought that was one of her better tasks - but the bottom line was that Adam contributed to the team's coffers by selling pictures and Katie didn't - so she performed worse on the criteria by which Siralan was measuring the task (which team ended up with most money).

This 'little C stream boy in shorts' twaddle does you no credit - unless you're being ironic and are actually trying to sound like Katie (or ARE Katie?; we've already had Adam on here). Adam's quite clearly not 'thick'. He may not be your idea of a deserving apprentice but there's no need to be so excessively offensive.

This is the same mistake Katie makes. On balance, she may have business attributes better suited to the job than Adam – and quite possibly many of the others – but her inability to keep a lid on her spite and malice makes her a seriously loose cannon and unpleasant to be around. Any business skills she has (and I grant that she has some) are negated by her lack of social skills. She can fake them for a while, but the cracks soon show and the poison seeps out. Fortunately for Siralan he's had a while to get to know her properly, which is why I doubt he'll be finding a place for this particular viper in his company - however smooth she may initially appear.
Ok let's see, yes I was trying to be ironic and saying it how Katie would say it - I will refrain from doing so in future and from use of punctuation to get my point over. However, in no way was I offensive towards Adam. You'll note that I referred to specifics to back up my points. Perhaps you can point to some specifics to back up your claim that Adam's quite clearly not thick?

As for Katie performing the worst on the art project. You are right, the measure of success was the amount of money made, but the means of delivering that were more than just selling, they had to get the product in the first place. Adam didn't contribute to that, but Katie did. In the same way that Katie didn't sell but Adam did. Likewise, money was the ultimate measure of the success of the task last week. But to get to that they needed time management, research and negotiation skills - sadly in all 3 areas Adam was found lacking.

As for the comment about her playing around with Paul. Well yes maybe it was a misjudgement/naive to think no-one would try to use to against her, but when they did and made it personal she was within her rights to retaliate.
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Old 16-05-2007, 18:38
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Ok let's see, yes I was trying to be ironic and saying it how Katie would say it - I will refrain from doing so in future and from use of punctuation to get my point over.
Punctuation's fine - indeed essential. It was excessive, Glenda Slagg-style punctuation I was referring to!!!!!!

However, in no way was I offensive towards Adam.
I found the 'little C-stream boy in shorts' quite offensive. Perhaps you meant it as a compliment?

You'll note that I referred to specifics to back up my points. Perhaps you can point to some specifics to back up your claim that Adam's quite clearly not thick? As for Katie performing the worst on the art project. You are right, the measure of success was the amount of money made, but the means of delivering that were more than just selling, they had to get the product in the first place. Adam didn't contribute to that, but Katie did. In the same way that Katie didn't sell but Adam did. Likewise, money was the ultimate measure of the success of the task last week. But to get to that they needed time management, research and negotiation skills - sadly in all 3 areas Adam was found lacking.
But Adam did contribute. He acquired a list of photographer's contacts; the rest of the team - the 'lips' enthusiasts - had failed, in their research, to uncover the fact that no such contact list would be forthcoming from their photographer. He managed his time constructively by calling up customers and persuading them to come to the show; and he negotiated two sales (more than any of the others on the team). He also realised that all the schmoozing and persuasion in the world would be to no avail if nobody sold anything - a fact that was roundly ridiculed by his team mates. Not thick, IMO.

As for the comment about her playing around with Paul. Well yes maybe it was a misjudgement/naive to think no-one would try to use to against her, but when they did and made it personal she was within her rights to retaliate.
Sad that, in Adam's case, Katie was 'retaliating' long before he did anything at all to her.
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