Considering that there has been 3 BB's now, do you think this years HM's will modify their behaviour in front of the camera?, or will they forget?. I would have thought that the ONE thing they wont do, is bitch about other hm's behind their backs. They have all seen what the public think of this. However, if you bitch about someone to their face, its also bad (Lynne was booed when she left, quite disgraceful really, at least she was honest about what she though of spencer, and said so to his face).
so, the lesson is, dont talk about other HM's behind their backs, if you have a go at somone to their face, be a bit more tactfull about it.
Funny to think that in a few months time, people who are unknown now will be having their faces spred across the tabloids and garnering public approval or hate.

How do you think this years HM's will behave?, will they have 'learned' from previous BB's?.

I think that at first they will, but as the days and weeks go by some willl let their guard down.

I think this will mainly depend on the set up of the house. If, like BB3 the whole point seems to be engineered conflict (the bars & rich/poor divide, a single as opposed to group winner of tasks etc., ) you are bound to get some people forget the cameras and let their guard down.

I think it's fair to say that the more Big Brother potentials see of previous shows, the more contrived their act will be - to the point of Jonny, where he admitted that his close friends wouldn't even be able to recognise him from the persona he adopted in the house - quite a difference from the almost astonishing naivety some of the BB1 people showed.

Thing is too, the viewers don't mind if you bitch, as long as you pick your victim carefully.

There is also the fact that if Endemol like you, they won't show the bad bits from the live feed on Channel 4 at night, and in that case, you have carte blanche to say what you want.

Sad but so very true

The more I think about BB4, the less I'm looking forward to it.

The housemates are going to be so in control, spending alot of time in the garden trying to figure out what the public think of them, like they already were doing in BB3.

Since Kate won by being totally inoffensive, everyone will be "cool" with everything and everyone. Noone will say what they mean, that would be too risky. It may be mildly interesting just to see them "fighting" with each other over who will be the one that make the all important "sacrifices" and be the "hero/heroine". Couping up like rabbits, inorder to be the part of "romance de jour". Even pointing and laughing at idiots gets boring after a while.

Idling about wondering which publication they'll appear in, (e.g. Kate speculating that she will appear in the Daily Star, Jonny talking to Jade and Kate about FHM and Maxim etc, as the girls in The Club were doing).

There's all this talk about having 14 Brian like housemates, "great" 14 people with similar personalities should be "fun".

( Quote by Achtung on Big Brother Big Mouths thread:
Whoever enters the house, it's most interesting to watch them when their "mask has slipped" as they say. Whether they're behaving like a lager lout or acting the clown or whatever, there will be moments when the cameras will catch them off guard. They will suddenly and often unexpectantly have to deal with something like rejection or hostility or sadness. They often can't act in these circumstances, dealing with such heavy emotions.)
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I agree with this post of Achtungs. The most interesting thing in big brother is when you get to a point where someone takes you by surprise, you warm to them or realise they are not how they at first seemed to be.
They'll probably all go in convinced they will get on with everybody else because they're so nice, but personality clashes are almost inevitable.

And this is what makes big brother. Who would sit and watch it if the all sat round the camp fire singing Kumbaya for the whole series?

Why are people so worried about BB4 HM's learning and planning their behaviour from watching previous BB's? The HM's in BB3 had the same advantage yet it was the most successful show so far.

It would be naive to think that anybody went into the house without some kind of plan. It doesn't matter how much revising you do, nobody can totally control their behaviour, living in an unfamiliar environment, with complete strangers and under constant surveillance.

As someone recently said, any plan changes after the first shots are fired.

I don't want there to be blazing rows for no reason. I don't want them to hate eachother's guts and to watch them at eachother's throats for the whole nine weeks but there will be personality clashes, some housemates will disapprove of the behaviour of others who think they are behaving innocently and there will be fireworks.

It's the whole who's right, who's wrong scenario. Seeing somebody in an awkward situation having to fight and stick up for themselves like when Penny was told off by Stuart in the garden, it draws you in as the viewer. I really felt sorry for her because she was such a harmless woman who was only getting a little carried away and enjoying her time in the house. Then suddenly here she is being belittled on national tv. The housemates themselves don't know what to do half the time, how to react or whose side to be on.

Here's a guarentee....Their family will be the most important thing in their life and they'll have no opinions whatsoever....in fact, any danger of having to give an opinion on anything and they turn and run......

I also suspect that pathos will be exploited quite heavily...a heart rending tale of childhood deprivation is good for half a million..........

cue large amounts of alcohol........................

I agree with this

They might go in with some idea of the role they either want or think they should play. The great unkown is the fact that they are only one out of a dozen HMs. The roles have to evolve depending on the characters and personalities of all twelve of them.

Keeping focused on the 'end game' is the key to ultimate success.

Being flexible and prepared to constantly switch strategies to get there will get you a presenters job on RI:SE (or win the war against Iraq)


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Penny and Stuart were also the first two to get voted off, so the public are not as interested as you in seeing such situations. The new housemates will be aware of this fact and will behave accordingly.

Originally posted by Custard_Cream:


I said I wasn't "interested" in seeing such situations if you'd care to read my post above. I don't sit in front of the tv praying for a fight to break out. If it happens it happens and if it does then it is "interesting" I suppose from the perspective of analysing how the hm's involved handle it and as a viewer your feelings are stirred by a confrontation, whether it be feelings of anger, sympathy etc. Your feelings are also stirred by the hm's conversation, their laughter, their task completing, their decision making, their nominations. As a viewer you are pulled in by the whole gamut including the fights. I do not follow your argument that because Penny and Stuart were the first two voted off in BB2, the public were (and/or are?) not interested in seeing such situations.

The fight between Penny and Stuart exposed the negative sides of their personalities. Stuart exposed his bullying side and Penny her instablity. Public latched on to these negative sides and voted them out over their more inoffensive rivals. Signalling to the housemates who were still inside and future housemates not to get involved in fights, avoid showing any negative sides and stay within the "positive, inoffensive and goody two shoes" persona at all cost if you want to stay or have any chance of winning.

They have to be nominated first before the public can vote them out

I think the HMs are more likely to nominate HMs that get involved in a fight 'cos it creates a nasty astmosphere and they all have to live there.

The friction begins to occur when some find they cannot evolve
with their role, perhaps, or are thwarted by minimisation?

For instance when Sophie took to signing everyone off with 'alrightmate', which kind of levelled everyone and their 'selves' in the house to one bland group - each time anyone of them had an interaction with her.
Overtly the irritation ( to some HM's and some of the public) of this tag Sophie applied was at the (supposed) falseness and repetition, but who knows if some of them sub-consciously felt a powerfull negative effect being applied (particularly to their overall tv profile and performance for the competition) and either avoided interacting with her or got a problem with her.

We know Jonny created the biggest threat to everyone else by tearing the place up running around 24/7, trying to make as much audio/visual mileage as possible.
(I still think Kate would have sided with Alex after Spencer went, but Alex wasn't having any of it due to plenty of misunderstanding between them - and Kate's role with Spencer.)
Kate joined Jonny to make a pair and that union threatened everyone else's profile in existence, because they drummed it up large.

Then again, the whole group in BB4 remaining as one and having balanced interactions the whole of the time would be mind numbing, I think I would like to see several pairings this time around, all in positive competition at a higher intellect level than BB3, but with plenty of differences turning into the odd scrap.
Jealousy is always a good one for storing trouble. Gotta have that!!

I am sure all potential housemates for BB4 are literally cramming the study in at the moment, by watching past BBs, and seeing what wins and what doesn't. One of the biggest no no's I would say would be to in any way copy Adel from last year, her sneaky bitching about everyone behind their backs resulted in her getting the loudest boo probably in the history of BB. However, for all the pre exam study, it surely is a different story when they are there for real, and when they have to keep up a "contrived persona" for weeks on end. It always comes down to the genuine personalities in the end, Brian and Helen in BB2, and Alex and Jade in BB3 stand out as the classic examples of truly individual personalities who cannot help but allow their real personas to shine over time. It is an almighty mystery to me how Johnny got as far as he did in BB3, and the fact that he disappeared from any media scrutiny virtually from the moment he walked out of the house says it all. There was simply nothing to say about Johnny. I do hope this year, it will in the end come down to those wonderful quirky genuine personalities who can draw us in week in, week out and entertain us. Counting the days now...... can't wait !!!!!!!1

I don't know. Have you seen this program called "The Big Reality Swindle" where a bunch of people were persuaded to give up their jobs, homes and money in order to take part in a unknown reality show for a year when they didn't even know what it actually involves.

If they prepared to do that I'm sure "gritting their teeth " for 9 weeks is nothing for Big Brother where fame is guaranteed.


What you have to remember is part of the reason she got such bad reception was that the BB producers kept highlighting the few incidents where she did bitch openly which made it seem like she did it a lot. So saying the odd bad word or two about your fellow HMs, even if it's due to frustration is not advisible.
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