NTSC Wii (Component) to RGB Scart?

the_gaffer · 12-05-2007, 18:25

Hi all,

I'm thinking of buying an NTSC Wii that can output both component and composite.
I have composite on my TV but it's not as good as RGB Scart and I believe that the US equivalent is component.

So basically, I'm wondering if an adaptor exists where I can plug the Wii's component cables into an adaptor, that I could then plug into the RGB scart on my TV.

Also, am I right in believing that when I buy a HDTV, they have component-in directly?

Thanks,

gaffer

Chris Simon · 12-05-2007, 19:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_gaffer

So basically, I'm wondering if an adaptor exists where I can plug the Wii's component cables into an adaptor, that I could then plug into the RGB scart on my TV.

http://www.keene.co.uk/electronics/m...hp?mycode=APT2

It will cope with NTSC but I don't think it converts to PAL so you'd have to make sure your TV can display NTSC. You could email Keene to clarify.

Nigel Goodwin · 12-05-2007, 21:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Simon

http://www.keene.co.uk/electronics/m...hp?mycode=APT2

It will cope with NTSC but I don't think it converts to PAL so you'd have to make sure your TV can display NTSC. You could email Keene to clarify.

Expensive though isn't it?, considering Component isn't that far away from RGB, it's only very slightly encoded (and RGB isn't encoded at all).

Chris Simon · 13-05-2007, 01:05

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Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

Expensive though isn't it?

It certainly is, but I don't think there's anything cheaper! No other solution though if you've only got component out and RGB in. Other than composite of course...

the_gaffer · 13-05-2007, 12:09

Wow, that's expensive!

Wouldn't something like this work:

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?...C=SO&U=strat15

I've also found component (3 plugs) to Scart RGB cables but what I would then need is a component in out adaptor.

Something like this:
http://www.atlona.com/product.php?pr...cat=274&page=1

Can anyone help for the HD question?

gaffer

the_gaffer · 13-05-2007, 12:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Simon

It certainly is, but I don't think there's anything cheaper! No other solution though if you've only got component out and RGB in. Other than composite of course...

I've got S-Video too.

gaffer

the_gaffer · 13-05-2007, 12:45

Or even this:?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RGB-COMPONENT-...QQcmdZViewItem

gaffer

niall campbell · 13-05-2007, 12:46

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/High-Quality-C...QQcmdZViewItem

try that

the_gaffer · 13-05-2007, 12:48

But I don't have component...just Scart...

gaffer

GratingCheese · 13-05-2007, 12:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_gaffer

But I don't have component...just Scart...

gaffer

Why not just use a SCART cable?

the_gaffer · 13-05-2007, 12:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by GratingCheese

Why not just use a SCART cable?

Because, apparently, the NTSC US Wii doesn't work with the PAL Scart cable.

gaffer

GratingCheese · 13-05-2007, 13:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_gaffer

Because, apparently, the NTSC US Wii doesn't work with the PAL Scart cable.

gaffer

I'm surprised at that as SCART can carry NTSC and PAL no problem.

Chris Simon · 13-05-2007, 14:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_gaffer

Wow, that's expensive!

Wouldn't something like this work:

http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?...C=SO&U=strat15

That seems to be converting composite video into component?

Quote:

I've also found component (3 plugs) to Scart RGB cables but what I would then need is a component in out adaptor.

Something like this:
http://www.atlona.com/product.php?pr...cat=274&page=1

I think these are adaptors, not converters. They simply allow component cables to be connected via SCART. If your TV doesn't support component video via SCART then it won't work - it needs to be converted into RGB.

Chris Simon · 13-05-2007, 14:32

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Originally Posted by GratingCheese

I'm surprised at that as SCART can carry NTSC and PAL no problem.

I suspect it's more like the US Wii can't output RGB, as that's a European standard. Can the UK Wii output RGB? If so, why not just buy a UK one!

the_gaffer · 13-05-2007, 16:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Simon

I suspect it's more like the US Wii can't output RGB, as that's a European standard. Can the UK Wii output RGB? If so, why not just buy a UK one!

The US one gets more games, quicker and cheaper.
The virtual console games run quicker too.

gaffer

meltcity · 13-05-2007, 17:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_gaffer

I've got S-Video too.

gaffer

There's your answer: buy a Wii S-VIDEO cable.

It may not be quite as good as RGB, but using an external box to converting component to RGB may degrade the video quality - plus many TVs process RGB by first converting it to S-VIDEO first, in which case there would be no difference at all between the S-VIDEO and RGB output.

GratingCheese · 13-05-2007, 19:13

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Originally Posted by meltcity

There's your answer: buy a Wii S-VIDEO cable.

It may not be quite as good as RGB, but using an external box to converting component to RGB may degrade the video quality - plus many TVs process RGB by first converting it to S-VIDEO first, in which case there would be no difference at all between the S-VIDEO and RGB output.

But as S-video would still have some NTSC encoding, the TV would have to be able to decode an NTSC signal using S-video.

the_gaffer · 13-05-2007, 22:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by GratingCheese

But as S-video would still have some NTSC encoding, the TV would have to be able to decode an NTSC signal using S-video.

I watch R1 DVDs without a problem, so the TV can accept an NTSC source.

gaffer

the_gaffer · 13-05-2007, 22:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by meltcity

There's your answer: buy a Wii S-VIDEO cable.

It may not be quite as good as RGB, but using an external box to converting component to RGB may degrade the video quality - plus many TVs process RGB by first converting it to S-VIDEO first, in which case there would be no difference at all between the S-VIDEO and RGB output.

So, you are saying that there is no difference between RGB Scart and S-video?

gaffer

GratingCheese · 13-05-2007, 22:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_gaffer

I watch R1 DVDs without a problem, so the TV can accept an NTSC source.

gaffer

Which connection do you watch them with?

the_gaffer · 13-05-2007, 22:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by GratingCheese

Which connection do you watch them with?

My Panasonic DVD player has RGB Scart out and can play R1 DVDs.

It also has Component OUT, but sadly, not IN...

gaffer

GratingCheese · 13-05-2007, 22:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_gaffer

My Panasonic DVD player has RGB Scart out and can play R1 DVDs.

It also has Component OUT, but sadly, not IN...

gaffer

The reason NTSC works over RGB and component is because all NTSC colour coding is removed.

That's not the case with S-video in which crominance, carried along one wire goes through modulation to calculate the individual colours.

the_gaffer · 13-05-2007, 22:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by GratingCheese

The reason NTSC works over RGB and component is because all NTSC colour coding is removed.

That's not the case with S-video in which crominance, carried along one wire goes through modulation to calculate the individual colours.

So, what does that mean?

gaffer

GratingCheese · 13-05-2007, 22:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_gaffer

So, what does that mean?

gaffer

It means that in S-video, one wire has two of the three colours "mixed" in together. If the signal is being sent is from an NTSC source, these "mixed" colours are encoded in the NTSC format so the TV must be able to decode NTSC (unlikely with most PAL TVs.)

RGB SCART sends red, green and blue separately so there's no decoding that needs to be performed by the TV, which is why NTSC works over RGB on PAL TVs but not over S-video.

the_gaffer · 13-05-2007, 23:04

Right, but my idea was to connect the Wii to the Panasonic DVD player's S-video in and then through RGB Scart out to the TV.

How inferior would that be to a direct RGB scart or component connection, in terms of PQ?

gaffer

12-05-2007, 18:25	#1
the_gaffer Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Star Wars universe Posts: 4,592	NTSC Wii (Component) to RGB Scart? Hi all, I'm thinking of buying an NTSC Wii that can output both component and composite. I have composite on my TV but it's not as good as RGB Scart and I believe that the US equivalent is component. So basically, I'm wondering if an adaptor exists where I can plug the Wii's component cables into an adaptor, that I could then plug into the RGB scart on my TV. Also, am I right in believing that when I buy a HDTV, they have component-in directly? Thanks, gaffer

12-05-2007, 19:12	#2
Chris Simon Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Snowdonia Posts: 2,725	Quote: Originally Posted by the_gaffer So basically, I'm wondering if an adaptor exists where I can plug the Wii's component cables into an adaptor, that I could then plug into the RGB scart on my TV. http://www.keene.co.uk/electronics/m...hp?mycode=APT2 It will cope with NTSC but I don't think it converts to PAL so you'd have to make sure your TV can display NTSC. You could email Keene to clarify.

12-05-2007, 21:16	#3
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by Chris Simon http://www.keene.co.uk/electronics/m...hp?mycode=APT2 It will cope with NTSC but I don't think it converts to PAL so you'd have to make sure your TV can display NTSC. You could email Keene to clarify. Expensive though isn't it?, considering Component isn't that far away from RGB, it's only very slightly encoded (and RGB isn't encoded at all).

13-05-2007, 01:05	#4
Chris Simon Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Snowdonia Posts: 2,725	Quote: Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin Expensive though isn't it? It certainly is, but I don't think there's anything cheaper! No other solution though if you've only got component out and RGB in. Other than composite of course...

13-05-2007, 12:09	#5
the_gaffer Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Star Wars universe Posts: 4,592	Wow, that's expensive! Wouldn't something like this work: http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?...C=SO&U=strat15 I've also found component (3 plugs) to Scart RGB cables but what I would then need is a component in out adaptor. Something like this: http://www.atlona.com/product.php?pr...cat=274&page=1 Can anyone help for the HD question? gaffer

13-05-2007, 12:45	#7
the_gaffer Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Star Wars universe Posts: 4,592	Or even this:? http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RGB-COMPONENT-...QQcmdZViewItem gaffer

13-05-2007, 12:46	#8
niall campbell Forum Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Aberfeldy Posts: 7,035	http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/High-Quality-C...QQcmdZViewItem try that

13-05-2007, 12:48	#9
the_gaffer Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Star Wars universe Posts: 4,592	But I don't have component...just Scart... gaffer

13-05-2007, 12:50	#10
GratingCheese Inactive Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,485	Quote: Originally Posted by the_gaffer But I don't have component...just Scart... gaffer Why not just use a SCART cable?

13-05-2007, 12:51	#11
the_gaffer Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Star Wars universe Posts: 4,592	Quote: Originally Posted by GratingCheese Why not just use a SCART cable? Because, apparently, the NTSC US Wii doesn't work with the PAL Scart cable. gaffer

13-05-2007, 13:14	#12
GratingCheese Inactive Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,485	Quote: Originally Posted by the_gaffer Because, apparently, the NTSC US Wii doesn't work with the PAL Scart cable. gaffer I'm surprised at that as SCART can carry NTSC and PAL no problem.

13-05-2007, 14:29	#13
Chris Simon Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Snowdonia Posts: 2,725	Quote: Originally Posted by the_gaffer Wow, that's expensive! Wouldn't something like this work: http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?...C=SO&U=strat15 That seems to be converting composite video into component? Quote: I've also found component (3 plugs) to Scart RGB cables but what I would then need is a component in out adaptor. Something like this: http://www.atlona.com/product.php?pr...cat=274&page=1 I think these are adaptors, not converters. They simply allow component cables to be connected via SCART. If your TV doesn't support component video via SCART then it won't work - it needs to be converted into RGB.

13-05-2007, 14:32	#14
Chris Simon Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: Snowdonia Posts: 2,725	Quote: Originally Posted by GratingCheese I'm surprised at that as SCART can carry NTSC and PAL no problem. I suspect it's more like the US Wii can't output RGB, as that's a European standard. Can the UK Wii output RGB? If so, why not just buy a UK one!

13-05-2007, 16:21	#15
the_gaffer Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Star Wars universe Posts: 4,592	Quote: Originally Posted by Chris Simon I suspect it's more like the US Wii can't output RGB, as that's a European standard. Can the UK Wii output RGB? If so, why not just buy a UK one! The US one gets more games, quicker and cheaper. The virtual console games run quicker too. gaffer

13-05-2007, 17:36	#16
meltcity Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,770	Quote: Originally Posted by the_gaffer I've got S-Video too. gaffer There's your answer: buy a Wii S-VIDEO cable. It may not be quite as good as RGB, but using an external box to converting component to RGB may degrade the video quality - plus many TVs process RGB by first converting it to S-VIDEO first, in which case there would be no difference at all between the S-VIDEO and RGB output.

13-05-2007, 19:13	#17
GratingCheese Inactive Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,485	Quote: Originally Posted by meltcity There's your answer: buy a Wii S-VIDEO cable. It may not be quite as good as RGB, but using an external box to converting component to RGB may degrade the video quality - plus many TVs process RGB by first converting it to S-VIDEO first, in which case there would be no difference at all between the S-VIDEO and RGB output. But as S-video would still have some NTSC encoding, the TV would have to be able to decode an NTSC signal using S-video.

13-05-2007, 22:38	#18
the_gaffer Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Star Wars universe Posts: 4,592	Quote: Originally Posted by GratingCheese But as S-video would still have some NTSC encoding, the TV would have to be able to decode an NTSC signal using S-video. I watch R1 DVDs without a problem, so the TV can accept an NTSC source. gaffer

13-05-2007, 22:39	#19
the_gaffer Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Star Wars universe Posts: 4,592	Quote: Originally Posted by meltcity There's your answer: buy a Wii S-VIDEO cable. It may not be quite as good as RGB, but using an external box to converting component to RGB may degrade the video quality - plus many TVs process RGB by first converting it to S-VIDEO first, in which case there would be no difference at all between the S-VIDEO and RGB output. So, you are saying that there is no difference between RGB Scart and S-video? gaffer

13-05-2007, 22:45	#20
GratingCheese Inactive Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,485	Quote: Originally Posted by the_gaffer I watch R1 DVDs without a problem, so the TV can accept an NTSC source. gaffer Which connection do you watch them with?

13-05-2007, 22:47	#21
the_gaffer Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Star Wars universe Posts: 4,592	Quote: Originally Posted by GratingCheese Which connection do you watch them with? My Panasonic DVD player has RGB Scart out and can play R1 DVDs. It also has Component OUT, but sadly, not IN... gaffer

13-05-2007, 22:49	#22
GratingCheese Inactive Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,485	Quote: Originally Posted by the_gaffer My Panasonic DVD player has RGB Scart out and can play R1 DVDs. It also has Component OUT, but sadly, not IN... gaffer The reason NTSC works over RGB and component is because all NTSC colour coding is removed. That's not the case with S-video in which crominance, carried along one wire goes through modulation to calculate the individual colours.

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NTSC Wii (Component) to RGB Scart?

13-05-2007, 22:50	#23
the_gaffer Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Star Wars universe Posts: 4,592	Quote: Originally Posted by GratingCheese The reason NTSC works over RGB and component is because all NTSC colour coding is removed. That's not the case with S-video in which crominance, carried along one wire goes through modulation to calculate the individual colours. So, what does that mean? gaffer

13-05-2007, 22:59	#24
GratingCheese Inactive Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,485	Quote: Originally Posted by the_gaffer So, what does that mean? gaffer It means that in S-video, one wire has two of the three colours "mixed" in together. If the signal is being sent is from an NTSC source, these "mixed" colours are encoded in the NTSC format so the TV must be able to decode NTSC (unlikely with most PAL TVs.) RGB SCART sends red, green and blue separately so there's no decoding that needs to be performed by the TV, which is why NTSC works over RGB on PAL TVs but not over S-video.

13-05-2007, 23:04	#25
the_gaffer Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Star Wars universe Posts: 4,592	Right, but my idea was to connect the Wii to the Panasonic DVD player's S-video in and then through RGB Scart out to the TV. How inferior would that be to a direct RGB scart or component connection, in terms of PQ? gaffer