ahhh - good point

I think it might be Ben and Craig with Ben leaving. Anyone but Daniel and Lee really. I want both to make the Final.

If Lee and Daniel aren't in the final then I'm not watching it.

You're soooo right!!!

No-one would watch it, no one would go to the show in the west end except Nana Jean...#

And ALW would go bankrupt and won't be able to afford the facelift he so badly needs!

I dont know if I would go that far but I would be extremely annoyed and I think the Final would be a foregone conclusion. Lee and Daniel in the Final would be the best possible scenario for this series having a fantastic climax.

Talantra so funny, and so true!

Oh my God - don't upset him!!!!!

If Lee and Daniel aren't in the final this whole show will have been a sham imo.

Yes - you need the best of them all to believe that the right Joseph has been chosen ... if either Lee or Daniel were paired up in the final with anyone else, it wouldn't be the same. If neither of them were there ( ) then it would a travesty.

Agreed!

No you could argue if they are in the final the whole show would be a sham. They keep on about looking for fresh new talent and I am not saying they wouldn't be wonderful and great as Josephs, just having them in the final confirms my fears that like Maria last year the whole set up is rigged for publicity and revenue

Maybe, maybe not - but the fact is from the first week they have been the class act of the show ... now it was never stipulated that people couldn't apply who had previous stage experience ... and whilst you could argue that you can see a marked improvement in some of the others - Craig and Keith for example - I still can't see them commanding the stage as Joseph.

My biggest fear is that Joe Public will get swept up in voting for the younger guys for the wrong reasons. Overall we need someone who can do the job - at the moment I still think that is only Lee and Daniel ... so yeah I'd feel cheated if they weren't in the final together. I suspect that with the way certain others are being bigged up that the final won't be between the two strongest.

Just my opinion - I'll get off my soap box now!!!

I am hoping for Ben to go, but more likely it will be Craig or Lewis.

(I thought it ironic that the latest podcast has the interviews in order of bookies' odds from least to most popular.)

I totally agree with you. Quite frankly if the outcome for the final is just down to those two then they might just as well not have bothered to have the competition in the first place.

Thankfully, I believe that the whole competition is not so cut and dried as that. There are quite a few posters who are so enamoured with Lee and Daniel that they seem to have lost sight of the fact that the public who vote may well feel differently, albeit that I acknowledge that at least one of them WILL make it to the final.

There may yet be tears before bedtime over the next couple of weeks and I for one wouldn't be at all surprised to see Daniel knocked out of the show. He may be considered a 'professional' but I can see that he has something distinctly lacking in his performance - in my opinion - some of the less experienced and younger contestants have nothing to lose and I expect some stellar performances from them in their attempts to gain a place in the final. That is what may ultimately be the undoing of Daniel.

I'd be amazed to see Daniel knocked out. It seems almost a foregone conclusion to be him, Lee and Keith.

I don't know if anyone else has polled at work, but everyone I ask says LEE - especially the drama and music teachers.

The problem is that the public generally do vote for the wrong reasons, which, is worrying. alot of people vote becuase they seem nice, or think they are good looking or cute etc, rather than for the most talented. hopefully talent will win out and it will be lee and daniel in the final.

As long as the best two get through to the final - then that's great. At the moment I still think that's Lee and Daniel. Now if over the next few weeks, that changes, then you can't complain.

I felt last year that Helena probably wasn't the strongest to go through to the final with Connie ...

Ultimately the public will make the decision ... nothing we can do about it other than vote for who our favourite is and wait and see if others agree!!!

There is one thing that I have faith in and that is that Andrew will get the Joseph he wants. So what we have to do is try and get into the mind of Andrew Lloyd Webber. The only point to this whole enterprise is to get bums on seats when the show actually opens. Everything else is totally and completely irrelevant. It is my opinion that ALW, at least initially, was invested in his 'young poppy joseph' in a way he was never really invested in his 'climbs a tree and scrapes her knee' Maria. But then you have to think of the TV show, which is very BBC, very middle-brow, and screens on an early Saturday evening. Who is actually watching your show? (and as a result of which, voting for your Joseph?) Are there squads of 16-21 years olds out there who are totally riveted? I would be surprised. I think it's more likely that there are a bunch of under 16s watching and voting for the younger contestants. There are also large numbers of older, 'strictly come dancing' types, who loved Maria (sorry for sounding a little patronising, but I am very definitely one of this number.) Who do they want to be Joseph? Although some of them will feel 'motherly' towards the younger boys, I'd imagine many of them appreciate actual talent (i.e Lee and Daniel ). And most importantly of all, who is more likely to actually buy tickets to see the show. For instance, there may be thousands of teeny-boppers out there voting for Keith, who want him to win, but haven't got the money or indeed any great desire to see the show. And this is total disaster for Andrew.
Oh yeah, and obviously the Joseph picked needs to be able to actually cut it, or that's another disaster for Andrew.

Sorry for a long and rambling post, but the point I am attempting to make is, that Andrew is completely invested in choosing the Joseph that will sell him the most tickets. What kind of people actually shell out 70 quid or whatever for musical theatre? And what kind of Joseph do they want?

Well spotted Gelly, and good work in wasting time looking at Bookies odds as well as this site and various others!

I think talent will out in the end as you say. For what it's worth these are my predictions for the final show:

I think it will be Lee, Keith and Daniel. Also (and I hate to say this because I am a big Daniel fan) I think Daniel may be the first to be knocked out of the final show leaving Lee and Keith to fight it out in the second show of the evening. That way there will be experience verses a newcomer and the competition won't seem such a farce. Also during that programme the majority of Daniel voters may have switched their votes to Lee; leaving Lee to win by a total landslide.

Oh yes - and back to the thread. I think Ben will go on Saturday!
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Personally i think keith has a good voice, but not much else suitable for the role. His diction needs work, his acting is not good and i don't think he is mature enough or anywhere near ready for a lead role yet, maybe in a few years. I hope Lee and Daniel are the last 2, as, they are the most talented and suitable for the role.

except... Helena was actually was a good singer and I actually think Craig is more of a Helena, in that he is quite reliable (in a bland cabaret way) but doesn't have any popularity so won't challenge ALW's favourites.

as for who will go next week I would say there are two option
if the bottom two are Craig and Lewis (likely) then Lewis will go
but if Ben enters the bottom two (with anyone) it will be him casting off the coat

completly disagree, Helena was actually a much better, more expressive and flexible singer than Connie, and outsung Connie in the final imo. her problem was her facial expressions and being given an awful song in the first week, and unforgettable songs the weeks after.

Siobhan was the weakest link in that final, it was an obvious tactical move to put her in the final over Aoife and Abi, who would be more likely to challenge Connie than either Helena (didn't have the fanbase) or Siobhan (who didn't have the acting ability, experience or suitability).

If you hadn't noticed I much prefered the Maria's over the Josephs.

Had noticed that! Well IMO I do agree with you - what I meant was that really Aoife would have been the strongest challenger to Connie ... but wasn't in the final.

Believe me. So do I!

I think it's very naive to think that anyone with no real experience could carry a part like this - they just wouldn'tbe able to cope. Also all the Josephs have had some experience - even Rob the singing builder has a college qualification in drama....so it's not really the "fresh new talent" against the tired old professionals......

(Did you really think that ALW isn't interested in publicity and revenue? )