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cleo1
17-05-2007
Who is the WORST judge? Who is the LEAST Fair judge? who do you think is abit biased, not impartial, not as fair as they could be?

Personally, i think Zoe is the worst judge.
spider9
17-05-2007
I think Zoe sets different standards for different contestants which doesn't make for a fair comparison sometimes.

Bill talks a lot but says nothing much. Denise can be quite astute in her critique but defers to Zoe a lot.

Which leaves John - a bit over the top at times but mainly constructive and fair. Iwould rather listen to his opinion than most of the others.

Now there are fewer contestants it would be good to get comments from all of them from now on.
Gellymiss
17-05-2007
Originally Posted by cleo1:
“Who is the WORST judge? Who is the LEAST Fair judge? who do you think is abit biased, not impartial, not as fair as they could be?

Personally, i think Zoe is the worst judge. ”

Zoe is the nastiest and she always tries to sing a bit as if she's the only one who can do it right.

I give Denise though the least credibility.

And Bill may as well not even be there.
Last edited by Gellymiss : 17-05-2007 at 16:17
Footie_Chick12
17-05-2007
I think that Zoe as she is a a voice coach she can hear different things to some of the other judges, i don't think she seems to be nasty i just think that she can hear the tiniest thing that goes wrong where the other judges wouldn't quite notice. As the others are actually leading roles on west end stage they won't have had the experience Zoe has had in vocal coaching. I hope people understand what i mean.
LaurieMarlow
17-05-2007
I'm not exactly thrilled with any of them at the moment.

Bill seems like a nice man, but his inability to criticise anyone (except Johndeep) is getting on my nerves. You are a judge for god's sake, that is the whole point!

Zoe very definitely has her favourites (this was really obvious in Maria too, I hold her responsible for the demise of the fabulous Abi). She is clearly none too fond of either Lee or Daniel (why god why?) yet thinks the sun shines out of Keith's backside. Bit of a show off and can be a total cow when she wants to be. On the other hand, I'm willing to believe she is good at her job.

Denise is very, very annoying. I'm not sure what she is bringing to this show other than her obvious assets. The letching, thankfully, has stopped, but she definitely favours the younger contestants.

And that leaves John, who is probably the best of the bunch and who usually has constructive things to say. But he too is prone to favouritism (the championing of Ben and the constant bitching at Seamus).

I think that all the panel (except maybe Bill) have a better relationship with the younger Josephs and as a result are on their side. I guess this stands to reason, people like Lee, Daniel and Seamus are much closer to their own age (in the case of Denise and John) and are more confident in their own abilities and interpretations and less open to moulding and advice. I think this is why people like keith, Lewis and previously Chris B have had a relatively easy ride from the panel.
cleo1
17-05-2007
Originally Posted by Gellymiss:
“Zoe is the nastiest and she always tries to sing a bit as if she's the only one who can do it right.

I give Denise though the least credibility.

And Bill may as well not even be there.”

Must say, that really does annoy me when she used any excuse to sing! desperate much!
cleo1
17-05-2007
Originally Posted by LaurieMarlow:
“I'm not exactly thrilled with any of them at the moment.

Bill seems like a nice man, but his inability to criticise anyone (except Johndeep) is getting on my nerves. You are a judge for god's sake, that is the whole point!

Zoe very definitely has her favourites (this was really obvious in Maria too, I hold her responsible for the demise of the fabulous Abi). She is clearly none too fond of either Lee or Daniel (why god why?) yet thinks the sun shines out of Keith's backside. Bit of a show off and can be a total cow when she wants to be. On the other hand, I'm willing to believe she is good at her job.

Denise is very, very annoying. I'm not sure what she is bringing to this show other than her obvious assets. The letching, thankfully, has stopped, but she definitely favours the younger contestants.

And that leaves John, who is probably the best of the bunch and who usually has constructive things to say. But he too is prone to favouritism (the championing of Ben and the constant bitching at Seamus).

I think that all the panel (except maybe Bill) have a better relationship with the younger Josephs and as a result are on their side. I guess this stands to reason, people like Lee, Daniel and Seamus are much closer to their own age (in the case of Denise and John) and are more confident in their own abilities and interpretations and less open to moulding and advice. I think this is why people like keith, Lewis and previously Chris B have had a relatively easy ride from the panel.”


I agree - zoe doesn't seem to like lee or daniel, the two most talented, yet loves keith!

also, yes, denise is shameless, more desperate to perv on the young lads than comment on the performance.
Clarkia
17-05-2007
Several weeks back at the time of the first live show I remember reading an article by Zoe saying that she would dearly love one of the 'underdogs' to win. Hence her gushing praise for Keith and, when he was here, Chris B and her harshness towards Daniel and Lee.

I really hope Daniel hasn't hacked her off this week by questioning her decision for him not to be her Joseph. I hope this won't affect any comments she makes on his performance. I will not be a happy bunny if that happens
ArtyAttack
17-05-2007
Originally Posted by Kym:
“Several weeks back at the time of the first live show I remember reading an article by Zoe saying that she would dearly love one of the 'underdogs' to win. Hence her gushing praise for Keith and, when he was here, Chris B and her harshness towards Daniel and Lee.

I really hope Daniel hasn't hacked her off this week by questioning her decision for him not to be her Joseph. I hope this won't affect any comments she makes on his performance. I will not be a happy bunny if that happens ”

We will soon find out. She does seem to adore Keith as does the rest of the panel. Their praise in last weeks show for a lot of the singers was quite extreme.
jaybs
17-05-2007
Zoe does not impress me at all!
shoequeen
17-05-2007
Bill's gushing comments about virtually ALL the contestents render him completely useless as far as I'm concerned.
Gellymiss
17-05-2007
Originally Posted by Kym:
“Several weeks back at the time of the first live show I remember reading an article by Zoe saying that she would dearly love one of the 'underdogs' to win. Hence her gushing praise for Keith and, when he was here, Chris B and her harshness towards Daniel and Lee.
:”

I really hope that the producers are telling her to give Lee and Daniel a hard ride so that it doesn't look like blatant favouritism for the more professionial of the group. It did seem a bit obvious that she went for Daniel last week after she'd criticised Lee the week before... It certainly created a lot more sympathy when she did (and how nastily she was booed when she called Lee "rubbish")
cleo1
17-05-2007
Originally Posted by shoequeen:
“Bill's gushing comments about virtually ALL the contestents render him completely useless as far as I'm concerned.”

But at least hes nice about all the contestants, Zoe is biased and lovely to some, not others, which is worse than bill being uselessly nice all the time.
cleo1
17-05-2007
Originally Posted by Gellymiss:
“I really hope that the producers are telling her to give Lee and Daniel a hard ride so that it doesn't look like blatant favouritism for the more professionial of the group. It did seem a bit obvious that she went for Daniel last week after she'd criticised Lee the week before... It certainly created a lot more sympathy when she did (and how nastily she was booed when she called Lee "rubbish")”

I personally think its just the way zoe is, she is biased and not good at judging. - she was like this on maria as well. unprofessional biased wannabe are the words that come to mind!
marks thespot
17-05-2007
I think the saving grace of this show is that, whenever the judges are a bit daft, ALW usually ignores them and gives a conflicting opinion.
Ellsa
17-05-2007
ALW is usually spot on I think. I liek JB although he's a bit dramatic, I'm sure he's been told to be like that.

Bill is about as much use as Paula Abdul is on American Idol I expected more from him.

They all tend to shout a bit too much for my liking.
tellyaddict82
17-05-2007
Originally Posted by cleo1:
“I personally think its just the way zoe is, she is biased and not good at judging. - she was like this on maria as well. unprofessional biased wannabe are the words that come to mind!”

i think Zoe favours the ones who in her classes take everything she says on. Every vocal coach will teach differently and just because Daniel may not see were she is coming from with her comments from what he has been previously told by his tutors at the GSA doesnt mean he isnt listening. (hope that makes sense )
trixiehobbit
17-05-2007
Bill is Mr Nice Guy - he is so proud and expectant for the Josephs he's in love with them all. He's so much better at the football, but he's a nice enough bloke to watch.

Denise - just wish she would stop the personal "I love you" bit regardless of performance. We're judging talent here mrs, not who's loveliest to you. tsk.

Zoe - well sometimes she is spot on. Sometimes you wonder why she turns up ! She's not the most encouraging of people I must say, but she's done wonders with the guys, so I'll let her have that. I do wonder if she's heard the same performance as me sometimes.

John B - he's the guy the gbp take most notice of I reckon. I like John B a lot. He's not afraid to tell it like it is.

My main gripe is that we only see half of them critiqueing. Why can't they do the job they're paid for and let us see what they all think. Can't they schedule the show to include a decent amount of time for the judges responses? I suspect the Josephs and the judges themselves would like that too.
Talantra
17-05-2007
Virtually everyone wants to hear what ALL the judges have to say, so listen up BBC!

Ken is a nice bloke but as others have said, he just says everyone's wonderful.

Zoe is playing the political game. The BBC want a contest so she disses the goodies and bigsup the baddies. Almost pointless!

DvO sometimes comes out with good remarks but obviously fancies the pants off of Lee & Dan so is scared of saying much about them. Notice how she fumbles for her words especially when talking about Lee. She doesn't want to seem to be perving over them so kinda goes the other way (She doth protest too much methinks).

JB is a bit OTT at times but is probably the fairest and seems to summarise succinctly.

I'd like to hear more from ALW because he plays by his own rules and gives his own opinions, not the comments he thinks the Beeb want to hear or the audience wants to hear. I like his honesty and respect that.

Graham is just fab especially when put on the spot like when Lewis said about his flatulence problem and Graham barely missed a beat.
cleo1
17-05-2007
Originally Posted by tellyaddict82:
“i think Zoe favours the ones who in her classes take everything she says on. Every vocal coach will teach differently and just because Daniel may not see were she is coming from with her comments from what he has been previously told by his tutors at the GSA doesnt mean he isnt listening. (hope that makes sense )”

I get what you mean - i think Zoe failed in her attempt to have a career performing, so now reaches and wants to be adored, for want of a better word. she uses ANY excuse to sing whilst giving commentry and does favour the contestants who are either young or untrained/experienced because they will make HER feel important, good etc by being impressed by her where as the more experienced contestants have prob been taught by better people, have their own knowledge and may not bow down to her and will have their own opinions on how they want their performance vocally wise to go.
jill1812
17-05-2007
I always find Zoe and John B speak as they find. I have no problem with them being harsh I'm sure the boys will hear alot worse when there being reviewed in the west end for real.

Denise and Bill I find are trying to encourage the boys and only criticise when they have to.

Again ALW speaks as he finds.

I find them a good balance but I would like to hear from them all after every performance.

John B's my favourite though - he's just so pretty.
jill1812
17-05-2007
Originally Posted by Talantra:
“Vi
JB is a bit OTT at times but is probably the fairest and seems to summarise succinctly.
”

Having seen him on other shows I think he's calm on this!!
NoahsAark
17-05-2007
Originally Posted by jill1812:
“I always find Zoe and John B speak as they find. I have no problem with them being harsh I'm sure the boys will hear alot worse when there being reviewed in the west end for real.

Denise and Bill I find are trying to encourage the boys and only criticise when they have to.

Again ALW speaks as he finds.

I find them a good balance but I would like to hear from them all after every performance.

John B's my favourite though - he's just so pretty.”

Agreed - lets face it the critics will be a tough nut to crack - and a lot of them don't agree with this route to finding the leading man ...

JB and ALW usually have constructive criticisms - they would be the two that I might pay more attention to.
taversham
17-05-2007
Originally Posted by cleo1:
“I get what you mean - i think Zoe failed in her attempt to have a career performing, so now reaches and wants to be adored, for want of a better word. she uses ANY excuse to sing whilst giving commentry and does favour the contestants who are either young or untrained/experienced because they will make HER feel important, good etc by being impressed by her where as the more experienced contestants have prob been taught by better people, have their own knowledge and may not bow down to her and will have their own opinions on how they want their performance vocally wise to go.”

I think that maybe the reason Zoe is sometimes harsher to Lee and Daniel is because, as they have been doing this professionally, they have more confidence in their own abilities. But, as shown by the great decrease in the quality of Chris B's performances after being in the bottom two, and now perhaps Lewis seeming fairly downcast on his video diary thingy, the younger Josephs are a lot more vulnerable to criticisms and lack of support.

When Zoe called Lee "rubbish", he went off and had a cry but then conceded it wasn't his best performance ever and made sure he did better next week. I don't think if comments like that were made to Lewis, Keith, etc. that it would encourage them to improve, it would just make them sad, and possibly give up. Or, they would be so nervous the next week that they'd cock it up.
cleo1
17-05-2007
But regardless of the reasons, calling a contestant "a bit rubbish" isn't professional, especially when that contestant had been ill. I think a child could have come up with a more intelligent and relevant comment.
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