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Old 17-05-2007, 22:49
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Apologies if there's already a similar thread or if this is being discussed elsewhere, but I couldn't find anything. Do you think Carl was a good choice for Tom's murderer? Who would you have chosen?

Personally, I liked the choice of Carl because while he wasn't too obvious, it didn't seem daft that he did it, whereas it might have it had been Len or Terry or someone - especially considering that they've shown no remorse! It seems that Carl has had Jimmy to help him, which kind of explains why he hasn't admitted it before. I wonder at what point he told Jimmy - or maybe Jimmy found out on the Christmas Day, and then grabbed Bob to throw the police of the scent...? Hopefully we'll see in a flashback or something

Anyway, I don't think Carl was a bad choice, but I think other good options would have been:
- Jamie, partly because he was very wound up around Xmas, and partly because his murder scene was believable
- Jimmy, because I think a lot of the clues have been pointing at him all along and he was the oldest brother, and hence had put up with Tom for the longest...
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Old 17-05-2007, 22:51
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I think it's got more potential than if it was some other people.
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Old 17-05-2007, 22:52
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I think he had the most reason on the day to do it, he had just found out why Chas had split up with him and he could see that his father had only given him control of the company as a 'good boy' gesture. Also looking at his video, you could see that although he obviously wanted to hit him, he didn't mean for Tom to fall through the window.
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Old 17-05-2007, 22:54
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Carl was a good choice - for me - as I never suspected. I thought it was Grayson but hey - I know that was a bit obvious! Think its great also that we didn;t have an inkling apart from another dozen suspects so well done to emmerdale producers for that!
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Old 17-05-2007, 22:56
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Hi guys,
can anyone tell me what happened?
I was working, and I can't wait till tomorrow to watch it.
Is Carl going to be jailed now?
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Old 17-05-2007, 22:57
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The case was thrown out after Louise told the police she was lying. Carl ended up admitting it to his brothers back home after Matthew smashed Jimmy's face into a cabinet.
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Old 17-05-2007, 23:02
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Out of all the brothers I thought it would be Matt, didn't think they'd have Carl killing someone else... At least he delt with it better then Paul...

I would have perfered it to be someone else, not one of the brothers, it would have been nice to see the police were wrong...
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Old 17-05-2007, 23:03
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Carl was a good choice - for me - as I never suspected. I thought it was Grayson but hey - I know that was a bit obvious! Think its great also that we didn;t have an inkling apart from another dozen suspects so well done to emmerdale producers for that!
i was convinced it was Grayson too!

wonder whats in store for the brothers now
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Old 17-05-2007, 23:17
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Big let down imo.
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Old 17-05-2007, 23:19
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Good choice my backside i can't believe it was Carl that was the worse out come in my eyes. Out of all the suspects Carl is the last person i think should have done it
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Old 17-05-2007, 23:20
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Carl was a good choice - for me - as I never suspected. I thought it was Grayson but hey - I know that was a bit obvious! Think its great also that we didn;t have an inkling apart from another dozen suspects so well done to emmerdale producers for that!
i was convinced it was Grayson too!

wonder whats in store for the brothers now
I was sure it was Grayson too, I know he may of been an obivous choice, but he seemed to go to so much trouble to make it look like the King brothers did it, it was like he was desperately trying to cover up and get someone else to take the blame! I know think all Grayson wanted was the King brothers out of the way so he and Rosemary could have the businesses- thats all he was interested in- the money!!

Carl wasn't an obvious choice at all, I never would of thought it was him. If it was to be a King brother, I would of said Matthew- he has that side to him that I think is capable of doing something like that. Where as Carl, it just isn't like him. I felt really sorry for him tonight though, when he had to sit there and see Jimmy and Matthew fight over Matthew thinking Jimmy was the one who did it, and you could see how upset he was, he wanted to say it was him, but it took him ages to get the courage to say it was him.
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Old 17-05-2007, 23:29
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I was sure it was Grayson too, I know he may of been an obivous choice, but he seemed to go to so much trouble to make it look like the King brothers did it, it was like he was desperately trying to cover up and get someone else to take the blame! I know think all Grayson wanted was the King brothers out of the way so he and Rosemary could have the businesses- thats all he was interested in- the money!!

Carl wasn't an obvious choice at all, I never would of thought it was him. If it was to be a King brother, I would of said Matthew- he has that side to him that I think is capable of doing something like that. Where as Carl, it just isn't like him. I felt really sorry for him tonight though, when he had to sit there and see Jimmy and Matthew fight over Matthew thinking Jimmy was the one who did it, and you could see how upset he was, he wanted to say it was him, but it took him ages to get the courage to say it was him.
I couldn't feel very sorry for him at all, lol. If I had any pity for him it was totally gone when he just sat there whilst Matt shoved Jimmy's head through a glass cabinet and beat him up. And I can't believe Jimmy took it as well, just to protect that coward Carl!

Matt was soo nasty to Jimmy though, seriously what kind of a brother does what he did, even in those circumstances?
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Old 17-05-2007, 23:35
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I think people who don't want Carl to be the killer are members of his fan club.
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Old 17-05-2007, 23:42
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Well I'm not a member of his fan club but I didn't want him to be the murderer either... I wanted it to be either Rosemary or Grayson, someone that looked a bit suspicious unlike Carl...
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Old 17-05-2007, 23:43
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I think people who don't want Carl to be the killer are members of his fan club.
Not me I'm afraid. I couldn't give a monkeys about the character. That's why I feel it was a big letdown.
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Old 18-05-2007, 00:20
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I think people who don't want Carl to be the killer are members of his fan club.
I am not a member of his fan club, I don't think it should of been him, good choice in a way with how the story has gone maybe, but I wanted it to be Grayson. He is evil and cunning and always plotting so maybe he was just a too obvious choice for it to be him!

I still like Carl though and did feel sorry for him. Maybe others won't but imagine keeping a secret like that to yourself, it must be hard, which is why he found it hard to tell his own brothers. Although Jimmy already knew, but you could see how upset he was when Matthew was attacking Jimmy and he just wanted to say it, but needed to find the courage to just come out and say it.
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Old 18-05-2007, 00:33
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dont know if anybody knows but on emmerdale website
they show you two alternate endings with matt and jimmy confessing.
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Old 18-05-2007, 04:02
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dont know if anybody knows but on emmerdale website
they show you two alternate endings with matt and jimmy confessing.
Carl being murderer doesn't make sense as at Christmas when Tom said, "No need to knock, come in," we couldn't see him and just saw the door open but in the one where Carl killed Tom, Tom was standing right by door so we would have seen him...
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Old 18-05-2007, 06:20
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Said this in another thread, but it looks more suitable here (and I now remember the names and everything so that makes it clearer).

Carl fell apart when Paul Marsden came tumbling off the scaffolding so I can't believe he managed to remain so calm for the last 5 months.

That said, Jimmy fell apart at the showhome collapse, so again, he probably wouldn't have held out either.

Maybe the producers have forgotten he was a wreck when Paul took a tumble, or maybe I've just confused that with grief....let's face it, who can remember the aftermath it was THAT long ago!
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Old 18-05-2007, 08:13
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Said this in another thread, but it looks more suitable here (and I now remember the names and everything so that makes it clearer).

Carl fell apart when Paul Marsden came tumbling off the scaffolding so I can't believe he managed to remain so calm for the last 5 months.

That said, Jimmy fell apart at the showhome collapse, so again, he probably wouldn't have held out either.

Maybe the producers have forgotten he was a wreck when Paul took a tumble, or maybe I've just confused that with grief....let's face it, who can remember the aftermath it was THAT long ago!
Thing is, both Carl and Jimmy were in a bad state after the murder - but it was easily explained as justifiable and wholly legitimate grief. And Carl did seem a bit flaky around the time he was under suspicion - I remember him being very clingy and needy with Chas, but again, I put it down to grief. Presumably he did break down and tell Jimmy at some point though, we just didn't see it?

I do agree to a certain extent - but I suppose they couldn't leave too many obvious clues, otherwise we'd all have guessed.

Or maybe once you get a couple of accidental deaths under your belt, it all gets a bit easier....
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Old 18-05-2007, 08:16
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Hi guys,
can anyone tell me what happened?
I was working, and I can't wait till tomorrow to watch it.
Is Carl going to be jailed now?
Don't be silly. This is Emmerdale, the murderers haven. No one ever gets jailed for murder in Emmerdale, no one ever gets CHARGED with murder in Emmerdale! Dunno why they bothered dragging it out for 5 months, they could have had two murders in that time and picked someone else as the latest murderer to roam free!
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Old 18-05-2007, 08:17
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Said this in another thread, but it looks more suitable here (and I now remember the names and everything so that makes it clearer).

Carl fell apart when Paul Marsden came tumbling off the scaffolding so I can't believe he managed to remain so calm for the last 5 months.

That said, Jimmy fell apart at the showhome collapse, so again, he probably wouldn't have held out either.

Maybe the producers have forgotten he was a wreck when Paul took a tumble, or maybe I've just confused that with grief....let's face it, who can remember the aftermath it was THAT long ago!
That's cos they only decided Carl was the killer about a month ago, probably!
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Old 18-05-2007, 08:37
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Although i initially felt the way it was done seemed a bit dissapointing, I'm glad it was Carl who did the deadly deed. His video (apart from the continuity error with the door!) seemed the most genuine and I was gutted they didn't show it last night. saying that, kudos to the emmerdale team to giving the fans something extra (the online videos) and not milking them on telly.

I really thought for a moment when Edna wanted to speak to len that she was going to confess all...then I thought maybe pearl might catch Len and edna then knock him off after confessing to killing tom...but no it was more straightforward than that. The big surprise was that Jimmy knew about Carl. we're not sure when Carl confessed to him or if Jimmy just had an idea and didn't say a word. I like his character much more now because he was prepared to let the police (and mathew) think he was the killer.
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Old 18-05-2007, 09:30
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I was abit dissapointed.
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Old 18-05-2007, 09:33
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Well not disappointed cos I thought it was him all along

But bit worried that this is his second murder and if he gets away with this one (as he must if not leaving?) then isnt this saying crime does pay??
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