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I now know why I don't like Kristina
I could never really put my finger on it, but this weeks show has shown me really why.
I had a problem with her since leading Naomi with the kisses, and then foisting lollipops on small children. I don't like her bitchy side which I admit is nowhere near as bad as Katies, but she really is a backstabber. I can't believe that any of you who are her fans would want to work with her in a team. Much as I dislike Katie she is right that Kristina always covers herself to have an escape route if needed. I think when you are in the boardroom it is perfectly acceptable to slate the project ideas and team manager, that is obviously how some candidates save themselves. In this weeks episode though, Kristina laughed, and nodded when the grammatical rollercoaster was mentioned, and when asked if they were happy with their big idea, she did the look that she does in the boardroom (which we all know means I didn't agree with it) and pursed her lips as if to say I can't say what i'm really thinking, she then looked at Gazahl to answer and didn't even agree. This was really out of order, she was basically covering her arse with the advertisers, what did she think would happen that the advertisers would say to SA, Gazahl's team were rubbish, but that Kristina, hated the idea so you should keep her. Could you imagine if a group of advertisers from Nike were asked a question and one of them made faces to show his disapproval of the idea? I'm sorry but if the only way you can save yourself is to slate others instead of telling SA what you can do in the boardroom, then that is fine, but to remove yourself from the team pitch and make it obvious you aren't behind the idea is really bad. It shows she is NOT a team player! |
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I agree that Kristina is not a team player. Being in a team probably drags her down. People who are "no team players" are generally brighter than most people and rather infuriated by other people's dullness and inability to see the flipping obvious.
I would like Katrina on my team for precisely the reasons that you mentioned. I would like someone who is good at covering ass when needed, someone who has an escape route when needed and who can turn any situation to her own advantage. She is not right all the time, but she is very shrewed and not so stupid that she sticks her neck out all the time. I certainly wouldn't want to be on a team against her! Of course, the other reason that I wouldn't mind being on a team with her is that sharp minds don't intimidate me they way they seem to intimidate most employers. I would be surprised if Katrina isn't in the top 5% (in general), if not higher. |
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i love kristina
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I could never really put my finger on it, but this weeks show has shown me really why.
I had a problem with her since leading Naomi with the kisses, and then foisting lollipops on small children. I don't like her bitchy side which I admit is nowhere near as bad as Katies, but she really is a backstabber. I can't believe that any of you who are her fans would want to work with her in a team. Much as I dislike Katie she is right that Kristina always covers herself to have an escape route if needed. I think when you are in the boardroom it is perfectly acceptable to slate the project ideas and team manager, that is obviously how some candidates save themselves. In this weeks episode though, Kristina laughed, and nodded when the grammatical rollercoaster was mentioned, and when asked if they were happy with their big idea, she did the look that she does in the boardroom (which we all know means I didn't agree with it) and pursed her lips as if to say I can't say what i'm really thinking, she then looked at Gazahl to answer and didn't even agree. This was really out of order, she was basically covering her arse with the advertisers, what did she think would happen that the advertisers would say to SA, Gazahl's team were rubbish, but that Kristina, hated the idea so you should keep her. Could you imagine if a group of advertisers from Nike were asked a question and one of them made faces to show his disapproval of the idea? I'm sorry but if the only way you can save yourself is to slate others instead of telling SA what you can do in the boardroom, then that is fine, but to remove yourself from the team pitch and make it obvious you aren't behind the idea is really bad. It shows she is NOT a team player! She has principles by the looks of it Gazahl wouldn't listen to anyone except Katie and I think Krystina and Naomi knew that, so although they tried telling her it was wrong she wouldn't have listened to their ideas anyway. She was too hooked on Katie to listen to reason |
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floraandfauna, I saw it very differently. It was Kristina and Naomi who came up with "Image is Everything," a meaningless concept which had nothing to hitch onto in terms of selling shoes. Everyone, I think, agreed that "Music is Everything" was an improvement albeit still a poor concept. Up from an F to a D if you like.
Gazahl was a useless leader but her mistake was in not listening to Katie in the first place when she recognised the hollowness of the "Image is Everything" concept. Had she done so, all four of them could have worked on a new one. Instead, Gazahl, I suspect on actually trying to work on such a meaningless concept, realised it too late and they were ever playing catch-up. It gave Kristina and Naomi the chance to distance themselves, which they did. But this was a team task and where members are more interested in covering their own back that working as a team, they are not the best to employ in any team endeavour. |
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So Katie did no wrong, then?
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So Katie did no wrong, then?
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She told them at the time she didn't agree with it so why should she lie in the boardroom and say she was happy with it
She has principles by the looks of it Gazahl wouldn't listen to anyone except Katie and I think Krystina and Naomi knew that, so although they tried telling her it was wrong she wouldn't have listened to their ideas anyway. She was too hooked on Katie to listen to reason I wasn't talking about in the boardroom, i meant in the pitch. In the pitch she was in a team, and it was her job to get behind it not snigger at the idea along with the advertisers |
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I agree that Kristina is not a team player. Being in a team probably drags her down. People who are "no team players" are generally brighter than most people and rather infuriated by other people's dullness and inability to see the flipping obvious.
I would like Katrina on my team for precisely the reasons that you mentioned. I would like someone who is good at covering ass when needed, someone who has an escape route when needed and who can turn any situation to her own advantage. She is not right all the time, but she is very shrewed and not so stupid that she sticks her neck out all the time. I certainly wouldn't want to be on a team against her! Of course, the other reason that I wouldn't mind being on a team with her is that sharp minds don't intimidate me they way they seem to intimidate most employers. I would be surprised if Katrina isn't in the top 5% (in general), if not higher. |
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I don't like Kiristina - she's too much out for herself rather than trying to win for the good of the whole team (company). I thought her comment "I'm not here to make friends" after she'd foisted the lolly on the little kid and more or less extorted £2.50 out of the parents just about summed her up.
It's not good business practice to emotionally blackmail people into parting with their cash. |
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I don't like Kiristina - she's too much out for herself rather than trying to win for the good of the whole team (company). I thought her comment "I'm not here to make friends" after she'd foisted the lolly on the little kid and more or less extorted £2.50 out of the parents just about summed her up.
It's not good business practice to emotionally blackmail people into parting with their cash. You know deep down Katie is gunning for herself, hence why she sucks up to the team leaders so they won't put her in the bottom 3 if they lose. Sir Alan has said many times that they're not out to make friends because there is only ONE job available. He says it every series and yet it's a bad thing that Kristina acknowledges that?
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They're all thinking that though, just Kristina is the only honest one and who says it.
You know deep down Katie is gunning for herself, hence why she sucks up to the team leaders so they won't put her in the bottom 3 if they lose. Sir Alan has said many times that they're not out to make friends because there is only ONE job available. He says it every series and yet it's a bad thing that Kristina acknowledges that? ![]() NB: I once again will concede that we only see what the editors allow. However, in the past few weeks I've not been impressed with Kristina's apparent strategy of doing as little as possible because the Apprentice is won in the BR. |
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How has she done as little as possible? She contributed a hell of a lot to the France task and the negotiating task.
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How has she done as little as possible? She contributed a hell of a lot to the France task and the negotiating task.
NB: I think Adam originally gave the responsibility of finding the Nigella Seeds to Katie and Kristina, but am unsure. If I am right then I will argue that they manipulated the task so they would look good in the BR! Last edited by *Laura* : 19-05-2007 at 16:24. Reason: clarification |
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I accept that she found a way to cook the sausages, but she also said "that she would LOVE to be taken to the BR". However in the negotiating task, she made it quite clear (along with Katie) that she wasn't going to Stansted. If she was as good as she makes herself out to be she would have read the rules and could have stayed out of the BR on merit rather than relying on Adam's friendship.
NB: I think Adam originally gave the responsibility of finding the Nigella Seeds to Katie and Kristina, but am unsure. If I am right then I will argue that they manipulated the task so they would look good in the BR! And no you're wrong. The list was split up and Nigella Seeds was on Adam and Ghazal's list. It was only when they couldn't find it that they asked Katie and Kristina but they didn't have time to do it and it wasn't their responsibility as they had all the items Adam had asked them to get. Why didn't Adam and Ghazal drive back to Stanstead for the seeds? It wasn't Kristina's responsibility just because Adam couldn't be bothered to go get them. |
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Yes she said she would have loved to be taken to the BR on the France task but that doesn't mean she was doing badly in the task to ensure that. She was just turning a bad situation into a positive as she knew how badly managed the task was and that it was likely they would be the losing team.
And no you're wrong. The list was split up and Nigella Seeds was on Adam and Ghazal's list. It was only when they couldn't find it that they asked Katie and Kristina but they didn't have time to do it and it wasn't their responsibility as they had all the items Adam had asked them to get. Why didn't Adam and Ghazal drive back to Stanstead for the seeds? It wasn't Kristina's responsibility just because Adam couldn't be bothered to go get them.
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The reason she said she would love to be brought into the boardroom was that Paul was so bloody useless she wanted to wipe the floor with him - and rightly so, he single handedly lost that task and it was Kristina that tried to put it back on track
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She wanted to go into the boardroom IF they lost the task. Not getting on with other team members does not equate to wanting to sabotage the task e.g doing as little as possible and jeopordising everything.
She's done a fair amount of work in every task - just look in the unseen clips on the BBc website for the trainer task and you see her directing the commercial. I don't agree with her manner but she's a major contender. |
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None of Kristina's supporters have actually acknowledged or countered my point that during the pitch with the ad executives she made it quite clear she was in no way behind the pitch, even while Katie was talking she was rolling her eyes and smirking.
No matter how much you love Kristina that is not the way to behave in a professional pitch, that you are part of, as an employer Sir Alan should be very worried that she can't back up a team in a situation where she is needed to peform with them to sell an idea even if she doesn't believe it! FFS she may end up selling a product of his that is complete crap! I don't have a problem with her slating the pitch in the boardroom, if she chooses to say what others did wrong rather than focus on her strengths, but during the pitch she should have been behind it. Also how come her and Naomi got away with making a crap video when Sir Alan, made the point that what lost them the task was the fact that the video didn't once mention the trainers |
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None of Kristina's supporters have actually acknowledged or countered my point that during the pitch with the ad executives she made it quite clear she was in no way behind the pitch, even while Katie was talking she was rolling her eyes and smirking.
No matter how much you love Kristina that is not the way to behave in a professional pitch, that you are part of, as an employer Sir Alan should be very worried that she can't back up a team in a situation where she is needed to peform with them to sell an idea even if she doesn't believe it! FFS she may end up selling a product of his that is complete crap! I don't have a problem with her slating the pitch in the boardroom, if she chooses to say what others did wrong rather than focus on her strengths, but during the pitch she should have been behind it. Also how come her and Naomi got away with making a crap video when Sir Alan, made the point that what lost them the task was the fact that the video didn't once mention the trainers They "got away with it" because what they shot was fine, it was the concept that let it down. 'Music is everything' was Ghazal and Katie's main idea. They were both present when the commercial was being edited together from the footage Naomi and Kristina filmed. They only filmed it on their own, they didn't edit it on their own! After it was edited Ghazal will have given it the go ahead and said it was fine. |
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I agree that Kristina is not a team player. Being in a team probably drags her down. People who are "no team players" are generally brighter than most people and rather infuriated by other people's dullness and inability to see the flipping obvious.
I would like Katrina on my team for precisely the reasons that you mentioned. I would like someone who is good at covering ass when needed, someone who has an escape route when needed and who can turn any situation to her own advantage. She is not right all the time, but she is very shrewed and not so stupid that she sticks her neck out all the time. I certainly wouldn't want to be on a team against her! Of course, the other reason that I wouldn't mind being on a team with her is that sharp minds don't intimidate me they way they seem to intimidate most employers. I would be surprised if Katrina isn't in the top 5% (in general), if not higher.
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She has principles by the looks of it