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Seamus was right - it is a conspiracy
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cleo1
21-05-2007
He would, if he's in the bottom 2 he will, he's proven that with daniel. he favours the young lads because thats what he is looking for, regardless of talent, ALW has that young poppy kid idea in his head.
B10nd13
21-05-2007
Originally Posted by thms:
“i think andrew lloyd webber really likes craig..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lkru0xo6KA8”

I think he likes him and is impressed by how well he's come on - but I think that would change if he saw Craig as a serious contender for Joesph. He is still the one with the most work to do to get show ready.
thms
21-05-2007
Originally Posted by B10nd13:
“I think he likes him and is impressed by how well he's come on - but I think that would change if he saw Craig as a serious contender for Joesph. He is still the one with the most work to do to get show ready.”

i think he does see craig as a contender, this is why craig was put in with daniel and lee for the group song. as we saw, craig held is own with the two professionals. he looks like a teenager, considering he is 25. daniel is 28 and lee is 25. craig can do the boy joseph, and the man joseph. the judges realise this. he is also very popular with the other josephs, and it seems with the viewers who have now kept him out of the bottom two for the last two weeks.
B10nd13
21-05-2007
Originally Posted by thms:
“i think he does see craig as a contender, this is why craig was put in with daniel and lee for the group song. as we saw, craig held is own with the two professionals. he looked like a teenager, considering he is 25. daniel is 28 and lee is 25. craig can do the boy joseph, and the man joseph. the judges realise this. he is also very popular with the other josephs, and it seems with the viewers who have now kept him out of the bottom two for the last two weeks.”

Maybe but I would be very surprised. He doesn't fit with ALW's spec of youthy pop talent (sorry but he is the Caberet man). I actually felt sorry for Craig last night for the way they were talking about him - even when they praised him, it seemed very patronising - to the tone of 'we don't expect you to be as good as the others, but well done for trying.' It felt like they expected him to be going home, so I was chuffed for him not to be in the bottom two. But personnally I didn't think putting him with Daniel and Lee helped - his voice didn't hold the same depth. I think if he was really faced with the prospect of Craig being Joesph ALW would be the most uncomfortable.
thms
21-05-2007
Originally Posted by B10nd13:
“Maybe but I would be very surprised. He doesn't fit with ALW's spec of youthy pop talent (sorry but he is the Caberet man). I actually felt sorry for Craig last night for the way they were talking about him - even when they praised him, it seemed very patronising - to the tone of 'we don't expect you to be as good as the others, but well done for trying.' It felt like they expected him to be going home, so I was chuffed for him not to be in the bottom two. But personnally I didn't think putting him with Daniel and Lee helped - his voice didn't hold the same depth. I think if he was really faced with the prospect of Craig being Joesph ALW would be the most uncomfortable.”

i disagree. my impression of the judges were that they were split down the middle. while they complimented him for his ability to take direction, some wondered whether he could go it alone in the future without their assistance. i did not think they were behaving in a patronising manner. i took it as compliment of his ability to take direction and his professionalism. i notice craig takes on board criticism that the judges and andrew lloyd webber throw at him. he always strives to be better. a fantastic attitude. i could easily sit through two hours of craig singing. imo his diction is excellent, and his voice is melodic and easy on the ear. i honestly don't think i could sit through two hours of any dream will do listening to the other four. having said that, i do like ben, keith and lewis's voices. i don't like lee's voice but if he wins i wont be upset.
B10nd13
21-05-2007
Originally Posted by thms:
“i disagree. my impression of the judges were that they were split down the middle. while they complimented him for his ability to take direction, some wondered whether he could go it alone in the future without their assistance. i did not think they were behaving in a patronising manner. i took it as compliment of his ability to take direction and his professionalism. i notice craig takes on board criticism that the judges and andrew lloyd webber throw at him. he always strives to be better. a fantastic attitude. i could easily sit through two hours of craig singing. imo his diction is excellent, and his voice is melodic and easy on the ear. i honestly don't think i could sit through two hours of any dream will do listening to the other four. having said that, i do like ben, keith and lewis's voices. i don't like lee's voice but if he wins i wont be upset. ”

Well we'll have to wait and see how it goes. I don't think Craig would do a bad job as Joesph, just not sure he would do a particularly spectacular one.
thms
21-05-2007
Originally Posted by B10nd13:
“Well we'll have to wait and see how it goes. I don't think Craig would do a bad job as Joesph, just not sure he would do a particularly spectacular one.”

lets put it this way if they were to throw craig and the others into the deep end,
craig would have time to save the others and break the british 100 metre freestyle record
B10nd13
21-05-2007
Originally Posted by thms:
“lets put it this way if they were to throw craig and the others into the deep end,
craig would have time to save the others and break the british 100 metre freestyle record ”

Now that I would like to see - could we attach some weights to Lewis? Make it a real challenge?
Tanith Panic
21-05-2007
Originally Posted by ArtyAttack:
“I think you are right. Daniel being in the bottom 2 last night would have got his fans voting that much harder next week and this was probably the only chance ALW had of getting rid of him. Daniel probably also had the worst songchoices of the entire competition which didnt help. The path is clear for a Lee win which I am happy about as he is my second favourite but I cant help but feel cheated out of a potentially fantastic Final between Daniel and Lee.”

My attitude to being cheated of the sing-off between Daniel and Lee is this little scenario: Imagine there was going to be a new X Men film with a stand-off between Wolverine and Magneto? Then the director says "No, sorry, it's going to be between Wolverine and a wet sponge." Blah!
Chris612
21-05-2007
I don't believe it was a conspiracy but i do believe there was something wrong with the phone lines. We vote like mental for Daniel but only managed to get 7 through in all the time the phone lines were open. If you assume the lines were engaged because others were voting then why was he last?

I believe Lewis is going to win this, he shouldn't but he will.
davey_wavey
21-05-2007
Daniel really shouldn't have gone last Saturday. He was clearly the best performer out of him and Lewis in the sing off. Lewis is a talented man, no doubt about that, but Daniel was miles better and i really didn't understand why ALW decided to boot him out.

The judges were saying how Daniel smiles too much and is all nicey nice and how they want him to show emotion more in his performances, well in the sing off, Daniel showed so much emotion and that smile of his didn't come up on his face at all. I just didn't understand why he left when his emotion in that sing off performance was so strong.
SULLA
21-05-2007
Originally Posted by Chris612:
“I don't believe it was a conspiracy but i do believe there was something wrong with the phone lines. We vote like mental for Daniel but only managed to get 7 through in all the time the phone lines were open. If you assume the lines were engaged because others were voting then why was he last?

I believe Lewis is going to win this, he shouldn't but he will.”

Lewis will only win if the voting lines are fixed. However, I expect his floods of tears last Saturday should win him a few votes. The big question is, was he crying for Daniel or in relief ?
Bessie
21-05-2007
Typical - the weekend I go away and miss ADWD one of my favourites goes out. Sounded like a good sing off but others have said it looks like ALW has made his mind up on the young poppy aspect of Joseph. Lee better watch out then!

To be honest though I don't see Joseph being a long-running West End show, unlike the Sound of Music. Joseph is a good musical but everyone knows the Sound of Music film and I expect this show to outlast Joseph.

If someone like Lewis won - nice eye candy for the ladies but not a show stopper. However when I saw Joseph many years ago as well as being impressed by Phillip Schofield I enjoyed the Narrator and the Pharoah parts too. Joseph is a show that has many good roles so not as important in my view to get a Joseph with a 'WOW' factor.

Personally I would like Lee (professional, safe pair of hands) or Keith to triumph (excellent voice).
Jayden
21-05-2007
Originally Posted by Tanith Panic:
“My attitude to being cheated of the sing-off between Daniel and Lee is this little scenario: Imagine there was going to be a new X Men film with a stand-off between Wolverine and Magneto? Then the director says "No, sorry, it's going to be between Wolverine and a wet sponge." Blah!”

Thats why i'm so mad, i feel cheated of a great final on one of my rare saturdays off from work. I had my whole evening planned and was even gonna turn up late for a girlies night out so i could watch the show first!
trixiehobbit
21-05-2007
Originally Posted by thms:
“lets put it this way if they were to throw craig and the others into the deep end,
craig would have time to save the others and break the british 100 metre freestyle record ”


Are we talking about Craigs legendary stamina He could easy do that thms, and he'd still be in fine voice afterwards !

SULLA Hi I interpreted Lewis's crying as tears of shame. He felt so bad for Daniel. Only by reading the Beeb site in the past weeks, it seems Lewis is the one who's not that bothered about rehearsing etc and prefers to spend time having a laugh. I think he watched a man, who tried much harder than he did, get robbed of his chance; and Lewis knew in his heart he didn't really deserve the place because of that. And it was Daniel, I think half this forum was crying too.
welwynrose
21-05-2007
Originally Posted by Chris612:
“I don't believe it was a conspiracy but i do believe there was something wrong with the phone lines. We vote like mental for Daniel but only managed to get 7 through in all the time the phone lines were open. If you assume the lines were engaged because others were voting then why was he last?

I believe Lewis is going to win this, he shouldn't but he will.”


I also tried numerous times to get through to vote for Lee and couldn't - maybe the phone line were very busy this week
cleo1
21-05-2007
I tried and couldn't get through for Lee - think it was the high volume of calls.
SULLA
21-05-2007
Originally Posted by trixiehobbit:
“SULLA Hi I interpreted Lewis's crying as tears of shame. He felt so bad for Daniel. Only by reading the Beeb site in the past weeks, it seems Lewis is the one who's not that bothered about rehearsing etc and prefers to spend time having a laugh. I think he watched a man, who tried much harder than he did, get robbed of his chance; and Lewis knew in his heart he didn't really deserve the place because of that. And it was Daniel, I think half this forum was crying too.”

Hi. I tend to agree. I recall him telling Daniel not to worry. I guess he was shocked to be staying. I award Lewis one brownie point.
cleo1
21-05-2007
Lewis thought he was going home, but, i can see why ALW saved him over daniel. daniel looks too old to play young joseph.
NoahsAark
21-05-2007
Originally Posted by cleo1:
“Lewis thought he was going home, but, i can see why ALW saved him over daniel. daniel looks too old to play young joseph.”

Well in ALW's eyes as he clearly wants youth this time around. Jason Donovan was well into his 20's when he played Joseph - Donny Osmond even older.

But if ALW wanted youth then Daniel was never going to fit his criteria.

Ultimately his decision was based on age rather than talent - although I hope Lewis really ups his game next Saturday.
LaurieMarlow
21-05-2007
In the context of Andrew wanting youth over age, the choice of song for the sing-off proved rather ironic, didn't it? Why on earth would you choose a song that's all about being old and making way for the next generation?
cleo1
21-05-2007
I agree ALW has made no secret of the fact that he wants youth this time round. but, he did this with seamus, so people shouldn't be that suprised he has done it again!
chitarivera
21-05-2007
Originally Posted by LaurieMarlow:
“In the context of Andrew wanting youth over age, the choice of song for the sing-off proved rather ironic, didn't it? Why on earth would you choose a song that's all about being old and making way for the next generation?”

Don't know why he chose that song, but it made me cry buckets.
cleo1
21-05-2007
He chooses songs he likes and feels the contestants can put emotion into - plus, it makes better tv if its an emotion song in the sing off
NoahsAark
21-05-2007
Originally Posted by cleo1:
“He chooses songs he likes and feels the contestants can put emotion into - plus, it makes better tv if its an emotion song in the sing off”

They have all been very good songs for the sing-offs - I wish they would sing more songs like this during the show.
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