Or Lewis Will ALW save him a third time? I doubt it.


But how come loads of people on here have reported that their message from Daniel thanking them for their vote got cut out half way through, the lines were engaged, they were told they were "barred from voting" ( ) or they dialled Daniel's phone number, and got a different line (either Lewis'or Lee's)?Take it how you will, but if that's not phone rigging, or at the very least a "technical fault",( ) I don't know what is. And I wasn't even a big Daniel fan.


Trixie, I am a Lewis fan and I completely agree with you. I really hope that this week Lewis puts in some serious effort, he needs to if he's going to survive. I mean, he'll pull in his regular voters by being his usually cheeky self, but the only way to catch the "floating voters" (some Daniel fans, perhaps?) is to give a really good performance that reflects the work you've put into it during the week. Take Craig and "This is the Moment", as a prime example.

Thats the issue. Its more confusing though. Last time he said he wanted a tomboy Maria who could act (which was Abi) but went for the safe Julie Andrews option. He got Connie by taking out Aoife and Abi in the semi final with song choices, comments about their singing and by putting them on last with less time to get votes or for votes to get through at all. With hindsight the reasons he and the panel gave why they were not Maria were absurd - Aoife is playing Maria and Abi has led in two musicals singing more difficult songs. That removed anyone who might challenge Connie if they performed well in the final. He then had Sioban who was too young and Helena who had never pulled in the public vote and was unlikely to catch up.

This time he has Lee and a couple of people who don't seem to have public support and Ben who might have some but not enough but he also has Keith . Its a difficult one because Lee is far safer even than Connie and standsout as the pro which may be a problem for the public. keith is what he says he wants but looks far too young for the part, has no experience, sounds like MacJoseph and can't act .If he wants Lee how sure is he he can stop keith? Does he really want Keith? How can he cope with a situation where his two most likely winners are opposites? Does he want someone in the middle (Ben?) Is Ben good enough Are any of them?

But I personally don't think Abi was good enough for the role - tomboy or not.

Because no matter what reality show it is, when a peoples fav goes out, there are always some that claim they got this happen with the phones, or that with the texts - they simply cannot accept that maybe the rest of the country didn't agree with who they liked, or maybe alot of the fans who vote don't come onto forums etc. It happened with x factor, i am a celeb etc. the reality is that the phone lines get engaged becuase alot of people are calling in a short period of time, as for the rest, as i said, people make up this stuff rather than accept reality. sad really.

Oh Cleo - are you here again

Sorry - oviously my posts are disliked by some noah as i am not crying irrationally becuase a contestant in a tv show didn't win.

Please don't go into appreciation sites and continue to make the same point ... let them get on with their adoration and disappointment ... as I've said before all this will pass.

Have you watched Daniel's podcast? I think he's very gracious in defeat ...

Thanks.

This is not an appreciation site, daniel has a fan thread, this isn't it. not watched his podcast - i am really more interested in the contestants performance abilities, i am sure he was gracious, but i don't watch to see what they as people are like, as, that isn't important when you pay money to see a show, not like we are voting for who we would like to have dinner with.

Well I'm leaving it then ... I'm gonna read your comments and say nothing more about it all.

Byeeeee

I didn't mean it in a nasty way - just saying my opinion.

halleluiah, sister!

That is true. I remember during the first pop idol, there were similar accusations about phone lines from Gareth fans (which I never understood considering that it was obvious that the powers that be wanted him to win).

At the end of the day, they're not going to mess with phone lines. Firstly, it would not be worth the trouble they would be in if they got caught. It would reflect badly on the BBC, on ALW, and to the charities such as Children in Need who stand to benefit from the voting. Secondly, it's in the interest to have someone who is popular with the viewers. However, I do think, that there are ways to manipulate the viewers so that the viewers tend to view the favourites favourably. As people do tend to vote on personality, VTs can make a difference. But most importantly, song choice can make the hugest difference. I think the quality of a performance is as much to do with the quality of the song as the quality of the performer. I have always felt that Daniel (and Craig) have gotten the short straw when it comes to song choices. So while I don't believe in conspiracy theories, if I were to pinpoint something that didn't quite sit right with me, it would be that.

I've seen Abi perform in Fame and she is definitely good enough. Great comedic actress and her singing is so much stronger than would have been believed on the show. To me she screams leading lady, I just could never see her in the background because she has so much charisma.

My only thing about Abi was I don't think her voice really suited the role of Maria, it's very jazzy and sultry, suitable for something like Cabaret but not so much for Maria. It would have been interesting though to see how she would do the role.

I haven't seen abi perform live, my opinion was based purely on the maria show. i am glad she is doing well in fame though.

VT's certainly can be deceptive, seamus was made to look arrogant when hes not like that really. Its one way for the show to try and control who the public vote for, all reality shows do it. Keith has for instance been shown very well in vt clips.

The things he said were very arrogant, they weren't taken from bigger things and I'm pretty sure they didn't mock up a CGI version of him.

Even when he went out he was exceedingly arrogant, and that was live, no VT invovled.

true and it was only the show we had to base our votes on. Having seen some people like Aoife, Abi and even Connie in other shows I really don't think the show, shows off these contestants talents at all. Shame really but I guess it doesn't make good TV or something

On the VT's, they showed things he said, but not all of what he said, so there for it wasn't seen in the context he meant it. Seamus is cheeky and tongue in cheek in his humour, half the time he is joking. also, the way he went was a knock at the shoiw becuase he felt he had been discriminated against becuase of his age by ALW.

Seamus's exit was pure drama, pure theatre.

Which is what it is all about - isn't it?

Absolutely, I loved it

Yes, he was never going to just shuffle away and not show he felt he had been unfairly treated, and, why should he.

I think I might have seen Abi in Fame. I didn't realise it was her, as I didn't have a programme, but one of them did seem vaguely familiar. I've forgotten the name of the character, but the one I'm thinking of begins with S, I think... if it was her, her acting was a bit OTT and singing not exactly subtle, but she certainly wasn't notably worse than the others on stage.

Thats the problem though. if your line is engaged because lots of people like you, you can actually get fewer recorded votes than someone they like less. If it jams completely you will get none. As it happens it shouldn't matter much if people have plenty of time to try and get a vote through (during the next programme even) which was the case with Daniel. It just leaves a doubt when you can't get through when you first try.

If it happens in a week when there is no long time to vote after the last act though it is potentially decisive if people only vote on hearing you sing. You can go on near the end of the show and many people who want to vote for you will never get a vote recorded before lines close because they will always find the lines engaged.