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Forget the singing for a minute, who can act ?
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thms
20-05-2007
Originally Posted by kyri:
“Lee is a great singer and actor.

Keith is a good singer but his acting needs alot of work.

Ben is a rubbish singer but is quite a good actor.

Craig is an average singer and average actor.

Not sure on Craig.”

an average singer or actor would not be in the last five of anydream will do
PrincessNidor
20-05-2007
For me, Lee is the only one left now who can really act out a song and make you believe.
xRachx
20-05-2007
Originally Posted by LaurieMarlow:
“I agree completely with Jocko, I actually think Siobhan was a better actor than Keith (and believe me that is saying something). Not taking away from Keith's voice, but I think he would be a disaster as Joseph.”

Leave keith alone, he's fantastic! I don't see whats wrong with Keiths acting, it's Craig we should be worrying about!
stuck4aname
20-05-2007
Originally Posted by PrincessNidor:
“For me, Lee is the only one left now who can really act out a song and make you believe.”

I agree. Lee ticks every box. Ben is a rubbish singer, in my opinion, but he's not a bad actor. Keith has a strong voice, and he's not rubbish at acting...but as much as I love him, I just don't see him as Joseph. As for Lewis and Craig...they just shouldn't be there. Craig is cheesy beyond belief, and Lewis...do I really need another reason to hate him after last night (and the whole Daniel thing)?
thms
20-05-2007
Originally Posted by PrincessNidor:
“For me, Lee is the only one left now who can really act out a song and make you believe.”

well i believe lee has achieved in making me recoil at the
site of the varicose veins on his neck and that his acting
his hammy as the lumps of meat he keeps in his fridge
Gillypoots
21-05-2007
In truth we don't really know what, if any, acting skills some of the contestants remaining have. Seeing them perform a song is hardly a good way to judge their capablilities.

Lewis has been at stage school for many years so presumably can.

Keith has yet to be given an opportunity to show what he is capable of, beyond acting out a song.

Craig seemed to cope well on the Les Mis Barricade and according to the actors watching, was good at improvising.

Ben seems to have the ability, going by his confidence.

Lee is a professional so he really doesn't count in this scenario.

The only kind of 'acting' we've seen is them having to do the 'seducing Denise' piece. I don't think that was much to go by as it wasn't a set piece and even the 'pro' Lee didn't make much of a job of it because he just laughed. The loin cloth fiasco wasn't particularly helpful and the Barricade mission again was only so so. They put so much store by the acting and yet show such limited footage.

It would be helpful for us viewers if they were given a scene to play out that would really give an insight into their weaknessess and strengths acting wise. As the whole 'Joseph' is more about acting apparently than singing, it would certainly level the playing field more fairly for the audience wishing to vote for the person they feel is right for the part.
Vix1
21-05-2007
Originally Posted by thms:
“well i believe lee has achieved in making me recoil at the
site of the varicose veins on his neck and that his acting
his hammy as the lumps of meat he keeps in his fridge ”

Well as the lumps of meat in his fridge are STEAK, which comes from COWS and HAM comes from PIGS - I would say I agree with you.

Ooooh and I love a neck vein, find them sexy as hell. One of my other favourite singers gets them when he is putting his heart and soul into it.
andallthatjazz
21-05-2007
Originally Posted by Gillypoots:
“It would be helpful for us viewers if they were given a scene to play out that would really give an insight into their weaknessess and strengths acting wise. As the whole 'Joseph' is more about acting apparently than singing, it would certainly level the playing field more fairly for the audience wishing to vote for the person they feel is right for the part.”

Was this done on Maria last year, can't remember???
LaurieMarlow
21-05-2007
Wow, it's always astonishing to see how literal some people are. Of course you can see how good an actor they are through their songs. And if anyone is actually attempting to judge their 'acting' abilities through those ridiculous little missions, well, no wonder they're stumped.

Here's a quick crash course. If you want to see an example of truly spectacular acting, check out any of Lee's songs (yeah, yeah, I know some of you aren't going to like this) especially Paint it Black and I don't wanna talk about it (I think that's what it's called) - the man can act a song like no-one else I've ever seen.

Ben is also very, very good, especially in the last few weeks. Pay particular attention to his acting in last weeks group number 'One more angel in heaven' He seemed to be the only person who actually got what that song was about.

For examples of potential Josephs that can't act, go in search of a video of Keith. In the group number I mentioned above he made no attempt to put across the meaning of the song. I would like to make it clear that I think Keith has a great voice, but his acting is rubbish.

And, just for a slightly different example, check out videos of Siobhan from Maria who also had a nice voice but really couldn't act if her soul depended upon it.
rachelle73
21-05-2007
Totally agree with you.

I watched and rewatched 'I don't wanna talk about' and I have to say I have never seen a song acted so beautifully as Lee did it.

As for neck veins, oooh SHO SHEXY!
NoahsAark
21-05-2007
Originally Posted by rachelle73:
“Totally agree with you.

I watched and rewatched 'I don't wanna talk about' and I have to say I have never seen a song acted so beautifully as Lee did it.

As for neck veins, oooh SHO SHEXY!”

Lee was at his best in that song - I agree. It's all about interpretation of lyrics as well ... and how you act the words.

I've not seen anything in Keith's performances, for instance, that show anything other than puppy dog eyes ....

Ben and Lewis show better ability at acting, but improvement will come with age for them.

And although people didn't all like Daniel's 'interpretation' of Maggie May (I thought it was good, and he gave what the judges asked of him) ... I thought his interpretation of Lady is a Tramp and You Give Me Something were sublime.

For those left, I think Lee interprets the songs best, closely followed by Ben, Craig and Lewis.

Keith needs acting lessons in my opinion, but has a great voice.
Jocko Homo
21-05-2007
Originally Posted by LaurieMarlow:
“Wow, it's always astonishing to see how literal some people are. Of course you can see how good an actor they are through their songs. And if anyone is actually attempting to judge their 'acting' abilities through those ridiculous little missions, well, no wonder they're stumped.

Here's a quick crash course. If you want to see an example of truly spectacular acting, check out any of Lee's songs (yeah, yeah, I know some of you aren't going to like this) especially Paint it Black and I don't wanna talk about it (I think that's what it's called) - the man can act a song like no-one else I've ever seen.

Ben is also very, very good, especially in the last few weeks. Pay particular attention to his acting in last weeks group number 'One more angel in heaven' He seemed to be the only person who actually got what that song was about.

For examples of potential Josephs that can't act, go in search of a video of Keith. In the group number I mentioned above he made no attempt to put across the meaning of the song. I would like to make it clear that I think Keith has a great voice, but his acting is rubbish.

And, just for a slightly different example, check out videos of Siobhan from Maria who also had a nice voice but really couldn't act if her soul depended upon it.”

I agree with everything you say. And would add, if you want to see another example of great acting watch any of Aoife or Abi's performances (ok perhaps not footloose!). and if you want to see brilliant acting vs wooden dolly acting watch the Siobhan vs Aoife singoff
LaurieMarlow
21-05-2007
You are so right. Abi rocked and Aoife was the best actress in that competition. Abi's performance of Big Spender was just spectacular.
cleo1
21-05-2007
Lee is the only one who has shown any real acting talent.
Jocko Homo
21-05-2007
Originally Posted by LaurieMarlow:
“You are so right. Abi rocked and Aoife was the best actress in that competition. Abi's performance of Big Spender was just spectacular.”

I agree, IMO Abi has more star quality in her little finger than most of the Josephs put together, she has something that is beyond the technically good. Aoife is a fantastic actress, proved to me because she made a fantastic Roxie Hart and now is a fantastic Maria Von Trapp.

My favourite Abi performance was Maybe This Time, but it could have been so much more dramatic if those silly dancers hadn't been in the way!
Gillypoots
21-05-2007
Well, no matter what some might say, for me some of the so called 'acting out' of some songs hasn't convinced me personally. I felt Daniel's performance last week was very heavy handed and it certainly didn't sell the song to me.

I suppose we all have different approaches as to how we view the programme and the contestants.
Phil2003
21-05-2007
Originally Posted by LaurieMarlow:
“Wow, it's always astonishing to see how literal some people are. Of course you can see how good an actor they are through their songs.”

Yes, you can tell something about their acting ability by how they act when they sing, but it isn't by any means the whole picture - it certainly doesn't tell us how well they'll manage when they're not singing.
LaurieMarlow
21-05-2007
Originally Posted by Phil2003:
“Yes, you can tell something about their acting ability by how they act when they sing, but it isn't by any means the whole picture - it certainly doesn't tell us how well they'll manage when they're not singing.”

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Joseph sung through anyway?
LaurieMarlow
21-05-2007
Originally Posted by Jocko Homo:
“I agree, IMO Abi has more star quality in her little finger than most of the Josephs put together, she has something that is beyond the technically good.”

Agree with all my heart, she was spectacular.
Funny, Andrew didn't appreciate her either
cleo1
21-05-2007
Originally Posted by LaurieMarlow:
“Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Joseph sung through anyway?”

I think it is yes, if i remember correctly it is at leat 90% singing. so the winner needs to show they can act through song.
Jocko Homo
21-05-2007
Originally Posted by cleo1:
“I think it is yes, if i remember correctly it is at leat 90% singing. so the winner needs to show they can act through song. ”

I think thats why the format for the show works a lot better for finding a Joseph than for finding a Maria. In the Maria show the strongest actress' were at a disadvantage. And you can't always tell the weak actors from their singing, for example Leanne always acted and performed well through her song but because of lack of experience couldn't do straight acting.
cleo1
21-05-2007
Originally Posted by Jocko Homo:
“I think thats why the format for the show works a lot better for finding a Joseph than for finding a Maria. In the Maria show the strongest actress' were at a disadvantage. And you can't always tell the weak actors from their singing, for example Leanne always acted and performed well through her song but because of lack of experience couldn't do straight acting.”

I agree
Snippy
21-05-2007
Just to add my tupence worth - Lee can act!
thms
21-05-2007
i think less is more..and no veins insight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji62d8kJ7kg
Snippy
21-05-2007
Originally Posted by thms:
“i think less is more..and no veins insight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ji62d8kJ7kg”

Veins show the blood is still pumping.....
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