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The Apprentice-Week 9-May 23rd-Episode Discussion Thread
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yummymummy05
24-05-2007
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“I don't think that Ruth Badger was great.
She was excellent at selling but she wasn't that creative a thinker and not a good all-rounder.

I think she's extremely overrated.
If you remember back she was hated in the first half of the competition just like Katie is now.
Then as soon as she sells a few things everybody thinks that she's wonderful.
I'm not saying that she deserved that, I'm just saying that perception plays a massive part in this. You say she stood out, but it's the editing that makes somebody stand out.


I don't think she was bad, I just think that at a certain stage of the competition hype took over and I think that she is very overrated.
I think that she's far too bullish for the role that Sir Alan has in mind.
Some of these contestants this year appear to have much more ability in their communication skills when it comes to dealing with business people in a negotiating situation than Ruth appeared to have.”

Have you seen Badger or Bust? She's great!
peely
24-05-2007
Hello,

Been following the boards for several weeks.

I really dislike Katie with a vengeance, and she has got it wrong on several occasions, including making a total error of judgement in getting involved with another candidate (regardless of his shortcomings). Most of her mistakes come from not "answering the right question" (as academics would say), rather than a lack of skills, and that is partly because she can be quite blinkered when she has what she thinks is a good idea. I think that's true of all the candidates though.

However, she is very good at arguing her corner, coming across as confident, persuading people to do things, assuming she has the right product in the first place, and sometimes even when she hasn't.

If she wins, I will be angry because she is objectionable, but I do think she tries to get the job done, so I wouldn't be surprised.
Chilli Dragon
24-05-2007
I thought it was quite a good show last night. Katie is great when she is leader - when she is being led she is a nightmare. She was lucky that she had Kristina as she can basically sell anything to anyone.

Jadine was unlucky. Any of her team could have been fired as they all had similar good and bad points. However, her 'unstability' that night when Lohit did all the ringing round was what finished her. She didn't defend herself enough which is a shame as Sir Alan clearly liked her. He also likes Tre though so Tre was never going to be fired.

Loved Lohit being "insulted" that Tre chose to cring him back instead of his good buddy Simon - who was pretty wet last night.
vidalia
24-05-2007
I think they should do a randomised double blind trial with Katie and Tre with Lohit as the placebo.
planetnokia
24-05-2007
I think the decision by Tre to save Simon and drag Lohit into the boardroom will count against him. Simon was clearly weaker than Lohit last night so why did Tre forget one of the cardinal rules of a cutthroat business world....business is more important than family and friends as Jardine learnt to her cost.
peely
24-05-2007
I'm sure that SAS accepts that people will have their moments of being homesick, and that it can all get too much at times, but it should have been no more than 5-10 minutes, and then she should have dried her eyes and forced herself to get back to business. Giving herself several hours to be emotional counted against her, and Jadine should have made the effort to pull herself together.
Makosi's pants
24-05-2007
Originally Posted by bevheth:
“I thought Jadine looked lovely on Your Hired - she had been looking so stressed and unwell on The Apprentice for a few weeks and it was nice to see her looking so much healthier and happier now.”

I liked Jadine ever since she did that dance in Week 1 (showed she was prepared to make herself look stupid to get the job done) but never found her that attractive. But boy, did that opinion change last night! If Adrian Chiles wanted all the hands in the air, he should have just asked who fancied Jadine! Go girl(hopefully)friend!
JoJo4
24-05-2007
Originally Posted by peely:
“I'm sure that SAS accepts that people will have their moments of being homesick, and that it can all get too much at times, but it should have been no more than 5-10 minutes, and then she should have dried her eyes and forced herself to get back to business. Giving herself several hours to be emotional counted against her, and Jadine should have made the effort to pull herself together.”

She chose absolutely the wrong time to wobble - and she knew it! Considering that each task is Judgement Day week in week out, Jadine really should've been able to pull herself together after half an hour, and get stuck in, helping Lohit. There must have been more to it than just a blip though - in the boardroom she just didn't fight for her place - she was like a completely different woman from previous weeks.

I don't think Sir Alan was very unfair telling them that if their background is cold calling and selling, they should've been able to perform better in this instance. Anyone would normally have a sound knowledge of the product and several days to make appointments ahead of time - rather than the few hours they had!

On balance, Jadine was the right one to fire - her heart just wasn't in it. At least we got to hear Lohit speak and he defended himself well.
robbies_gal
24-05-2007
jadine shot herself int he foot but she knew it

tre still saying is the best is getting a bit tiresome now hes not going to win no matter wot he thinks

and i still dnt like katie
Cavegirl
24-05-2007
Originally Posted by JoJo4:
“She chose absolutely the wrong time to wobble - and she knew it! Considering that each task is Judgement Day week in week out, Jadine really should've been able to pull herself together after half an hour, and get stuck in, helping Lohit. There must have been more to it than just a blip though - in the boardroom she just didn't fight for her place - she was like a completely different woman from previous weeks.
I don't think Sir Alan was very unfair telling them that if their background is cold calling and selling, they should've been able to perform better in this instance. Anyone would normally have a sound knowledge of the product and several days to make appointments ahead of time - rather than the few hours they had!

On balance, Jadine was the right one to fire - her heart just wasn't in it. At least we got to hear Lohit speak and he defended himself well.”

maybe it was a bit like Ifti, there's the possibility that she asked to leave..the decision being made when she had her 'wobble' but stayed to have it turned into a 'firing' and having a double firing just like Ifti would become a bit repetitive.
DiDi
24-05-2007
I'm sorry if this has been asked before and i've missed it - wot do the trainees do for the rest of the week - the tasks only last a couple of days - do they have to stay in the house the rest of the time
DomesticGoddess
24-05-2007
Is it me or is Katie being fed lines by the producers just to "add spice" to the show to keep it going? She talks into the camera, like in those "insider review" interviews, so it is likely that she has been fed lines.
Kolakube
24-05-2007
Originally Posted by planetnokia:
“I think the decision by Tre to save Simon and drag Lohit into the boardroom will count against him. Simon was clearly weaker than Lohit last night so why did Tre forget one of the cardinal rules of a cutthroat business world....business is more important than family and friends as Jardine learnt to her cost.”


I don't think Tre saved Simon because they're friends, I think he saved him because he was with him and therefore saw what he did.

It was difficult I think, you could tell Tre was torn between the two. Lohit's decision to put Jadine before the task, although admirable, is what ultimatley lost it for them because they didn't have any appointments.

I don't think it was fair for Lohit to push Tre for a reason for bringing him back as much as he did. It started to sound a bit like he was having a strop because he got bought back, in my opinion.
planetnokia
24-05-2007
Originally Posted by Kolakube:
“I don't think Tre saved Simon because they're friends, I think he saved him because he was with him and therefore saw what he did.

It was difficult I think, you could tell Tre was torn between the two. Lohit's decision to put Jadine before the task, although admirable, is what ultimatley lost it for them because they didn't have any appointments.

I don't think it was fair for Lohit to push Tre for a reason for bringing him back as much as he did. It started to sound a bit like he was having a strop because he got bought back, in my opinion.”

Simon produced an unusable contact list and Lohit acquired one appointment....they sort of cancel each other out. Lohit with Jadine's assistance did makes sales but all that Simon appeared to do was keep Tre amused. I think that it should have been Jadine and Simon in the boardroom with Jadine eventually getting the boot through inexperience. Tre's poor performance as a Project Manager last night makes it almost certain that one of the girls is going to win. Lohit has been camera shy to date but last night demonstrated, through his kindness to Jadine, that he lacks ruthlessness.
Dictamus
24-05-2007
It was unfair that Jadine was fired rather than Tre or Simon. She and Lohit made the largest amount of sales and we saw Jadine pressurising the buyer into accepting five not three of the air purifiers - demonstrating exactly the kind of skill that will make you successful in business, something we didn't see from either Tre or Simon. Simon was pretty poor on the buying task too, when he didn't negotiate down but pretty much took the first offer.

Business is about delivering results but I sometimes wonder if that is really what SAS is after considering he often favours people who don't perform so well (Tim, Michelle) over stronger performers (Saira, Ruth).
Dictamus
24-05-2007
Originally Posted by planetnokia:
“last night demonstrated, through his kindness to Jadine, that he lacks ruthlessness.”

Ruthlessness isn't necessary to be successful in business. It's quite possible to make money whilst still being a decent person. Lohit was extremely successful on the French selling task. His lack of ruthlessness didn't appear to impede him there.

He and Jadine also made the most sales on the day. So Jadine's emotional wobble or Lohit's kindness to her didn't actually have a material affect on their performance.
williams96
24-05-2007
I was very irritated last night after Simon escaped the boardroom. He clearly deserved to be in there much more than Lohit did. I feel, if it had been Simon or Tre with Jadine, they would not have handled the situation well. Moaned / wound her up which would have a negative affect on the next day's work.

I can't believe they said that Tre had always been a big contributer, many times he has been negative! Simon's so called list was something I'd expect a nine year old to come up with for a school project. He warned Tre about walking aimlessly around, but Tre didn't take any notice.
planetnokia
24-05-2007
Originally Posted by Dictamus:
“Ruthlessness isn't necessary to be successful in business. It's quite possible to make money whilst still being a decent person. Lohit was extremely successful on the French selling task. His lack of ruthlessness didn't appear to impede him there.

He and Jadine also made the most sales on the day. So Jadine's emotional wobble or Lohit's kindness to her didn't actually have a material affect on their performance.”

Maybe ruthlessness is the wrong word but that apart he should be capable of keeping more than one ball in the air at once. I thought originally that Lohit was going to win but after last night I get the feeling that SAS doesn't like "nice".
planetnokia
24-05-2007
Originally Posted by williams96:
“I was very irritated last night after Simon escaped the boardroom. He clearly deserved to be in there much more than Lohit did. I feel, if it had been Simon or Tre with Jadine, they would not have handled the situation well. Moaned / wound her up which would have a negative affect on the next day's work.

I can't believe they said that Tre had always been a big contributer, many times he has been negative! Simon's so called list was something I'd expect a nine year old to come up with for a school project. He warned Tre about walking aimlessly around, but Tre didn't take any notice.”

Tre is only still in it purely for TV entertainment purposes. The Indian billionaire on the programme following said that Tre was a bullsh*tter and would never work for him.
Lula Mae
24-05-2007
I fell asleep just before last nights programme lol did i miss much? what were the main highlight/lowlights/ events? I can't read the whole thread
planetnokia
24-05-2007
Originally Posted by Lula Mae:
“I fell asleep just before last nights programme lol did i miss much? what were the main highlight/lowlights/ events? I can't read the whole thread ”

It's repeated, I think, at 7pm one night in the week. The start was filmed in front of the Cutty Sark on the Greenwich riverfront. I thought that the tasks section (selling imported goods) of the programme was the weakest so far this series however the boardroom scenes afterwards more than made up for it.
brangdon
24-05-2007
Originally Posted by DiDi:
“I'm sorry if this has been asked before and i've missed it - wot do the trainees do for the rest of the week - the tasks only last a couple of days - do they have to stay in the house the rest of the time”

The tasks typically take two days, with the boardroom on the third day. They film around two tasks a week, so they usually get about one day a week off, which I imagine they spend recovering from all the late nights and 5am starts.

Specifically, the initial boardroom scene in ep1 was filmed on the 2nd October, and task 9 started on 30th October, so they've done 8 tasks in 4 weeks. All the talk about "8 weeks" is rubbish.

It's a gruelling schedule, which is part of why they make mistakes.
bigbrother
24-05-2007
Originally Posted by brangdon:
“The tasks typically take two days, with the boardroom on the third day. They film around two tasks a week, so they usually get about one day a week off, which I imagine they spend recovering from all the late nights and 5am starts.

Specifically, the initial boardroom scene in ep1 was filmed on the 2nd October, and task 9 started on 30th October, so they've done 8 tasks in 4 weeks. All the talk about "8 weeks" is rubbish.

It's a gruelling schedule, which is part of why they make mistakes.”

What's your source for that info? Do you have a web link?
brangdon
24-05-2007
http://forum.theinternetforum.net/in...?topic=23550.0
mazey
25-05-2007
Originally Posted by yummymummy05:
“Have you seen Badger or Bust? She's great!”

I have seen 2, she is limited to sales. Very good at that, but not an all round business woman.

Originally Posted by peely:
“Hello,

Been following the boards for several weeks.

I really dislike Katie with a vengeance, and she has got it wrong on several occasions, including making a total error of judgement in getting involved with another candidate (regardless of his shortcomings). Most of her mistakes come from not "answering the right question" (as academics would say), rather than a lack of skills, and that is partly because she can be quite blinkered when she has what she thinks is a good idea. I think that's true of all the candidates though.

If she wins, I will be angry because she is objectionable, but I do think she tries to get the job done, so I wouldn't be surprised.”

It is her lack of ideas as PM or team member that annoys me about her. Last week's Brand task should have been her chance to shine, but she was shown despairing and not offering any ideas, just criticising others.

Originally Posted by williams96:
“I was very irritated last night after Simon escaped the boardroom. He clearly deserved to be in there much more than Lohit did. I feel, if it had been Simon or Tre with Jadine, they would not have handled the situation well. Moaned / wound her up which would have a negative affect on the next day's work.

I can't believe they said that Tre had always been a big contributer, many times he has been negative! Simon's so called list was something I'd expect a nine year old to come up with for a school project. He warned Tre about walking aimlessly around, but Tre didn't take any notice.”

Simon should have been in the BR, not Lohit this week.

Tre not taking notice, nothing new there. I doubt Tre even listens to himself.
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