That's part and parcel of the nature of the show though. SAS will always criticise the contestants....

And, actually, SAS has gone on record as saying he was happy with the overall quality of this years batch, so I don't see your 'tokenism' argument carrying much weight.

That's all very well, but you've completely ignored the first part of my post which states that I believe that contestants should be there on merit alone, and nothing else.

And you've yet to convince that they aren't.

You still haven't answered my question about what "sector of society" you think Jadine represents King Canute.

I don't get the impression that you actually want to be convinced, and I doubt that anything I say would be properly considered.

By the way, there seem to be a lot of people who watch the Apprentice who view it in the same way as something like Big Brother, and have no real understanding of the business world.

Therefore, it's pointless trying to use real life examples, gained from experience, to reason with people who think of the programme in the same way as something like Big Brother, or I'm a Celebrity as they can't appreciate what others are explaining.

Black, single mother.

Incidently, you haven't answered any of my questions either.

So you are saying that Jadine got a place on the Apprentice because she was a black, single mother, not because she had any talent?

If you've asked me any questions about the show or the contestants, I haven't seen them.

Hah, my apologies. I never realised you were on a higher intellectual plain to the rest of us......

So you think you can get out of explaining your argument properly by the logic that none of would understand anyway? How convenient for you.

Sir Alan had a word with her. We saw it in the boardroom. (Also Naomi did on the task, but I suspect Jadine paid more attention to Sir Alan.)

He's tried ad hominem arguments and now he can read minds. It's amazing!

They got back to the house at 5pm so in effect they had half an hour. After 5:30 you are unlikely to get through to someone who can make the appointment.

Lohit did make 1 appointment in that half hour.


Katie's team didn't make appointments the previous evening, either. They made them on the day, phoning from the cars (as Simon suggested they do to Tre).

I think Tre made a mistake by having Lohit and Jadine make calls rather than attend the product briefing, and he compounded it by putting the two people who did attend the briefing into the same car.


Jadine made the highest value sales.

No, just some people, not everyone.

Why would I go to a zoo to discuss politics with the chimpanzees when I could discuss it with the staff instead?

No.

What I'm suggesting is that if the BBC were looking at two candidates, perhaps Jadine and one other (a white married woman), who had identical qualifications, experience and ability, then they would put Jadine forward as a contestant because she is a black single mother.

This doesn't mean that I think that she has no ability and was only on the show because she is black, but I suspect that inverted racism from the BBC helped to get her selected.

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People keep missing that don't they. It's like they get bogged down by style and ignore the substance.

If that was a real life situation her boss wouldn't have cared that she got upset the night before as long as she produced the results on the day.

You were saying earlier that there were people who didn't get there on merit, now you're saying they had equal merit to other candidates. Which is it?

Oh dear, so I'm one of the chimps am I?

No.

I'll repeat myself again for your benefit.

I believe that the contestants weren't selected on merit alone, not that they do not have any merit.

Therefore, because the BBC were keen to make sure that the lineup included a cross-section of society, if there were two contestants with the same ability, skills and experience, then it would be the one who was from the section of society that they wanted to include who would get on the show.

It's fairly simple to understand really.

But if they were of the same merit and ability, what difference would it make? Why do you think this is a bad thing?

Because the only way to be able to tell if someone has merit is if they are white, male middle class and straight. It's a problem.
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I thought that it was just Dictamus who was having difficulty grasping my points, is it you as well?

It would appear so.

Note, that it's you saying this. I have never stated this.

If you can't understand the concept of quota filling, then we might as well stop the discussion now.

In a previous post, you stated...


My question to you was, if the two candidates are of exactly the same "ability, skills, and experience", but both come from different social backgrounds, then surely merit ceases to be an issue, since according to you, they have EXACTLY the same level of business skills. Or, am I missing something? Unless there's some other criteria by which you mesure merit, ofcourse.

And my second question was, why do you feel this is a bad thing?

Feel free to answer in your own time.

What you're missing is the fact that someone's colour means that they are selected, which can only be wrong. Have a read of my Kevin Pietersen analogy (this is in the thread about whether the candidate lineup reflects reality) if you need some help understanding the very simple process of filling quotas.