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The Rise Of The Underdogs.....
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trixiehobbit
26-05-2007
Final night is looming fast and in the running we have:

Lee, Craig, Keith, Lewis and Ben fighting for the Coat of many colours. Only one of the remaining contestants is a seasoned musical theatre actor, Lee.

The remaining four have fought their way into the hearts of many of you despite seeing the judges fawn over Lee Mead and hearing JB shout "Joseph!" to him last week. They're here again tonight, trying to dream the impossible dream of becoming the peoples Joseph. Is it impossible?? Is there any chance of one of them toppling the mighty Lee? It appears not.... BUT... it ain't over yet !

If you have a favourite underdog, let us know why they deserve to be in that final ? And don't hold back. Give us a reason to believe they CAN do it, and be the man we will all love to see wearing Josephs coat
twingle
26-05-2007
Good thread Trixie

Ben to me is the underdog who is starting to give the other lads a run for their money. He was in the sing off the first week and two of the judges and most of the lads couldn't see him as Joseph but as he said when you are at bottom you can only go up whereas when you are up you can only go down. He sure has risen to the challenge. For me he stands out in all the group performances and his last song was outstanding

Tonight they have given him a very hard song outwith his vocal range (possibly!!) As someone has said elsewhere why audition for Joseph then give him a song to sing from Tosca.

I think this will be make or break week for him and if he does go out then surely he will be picked up elsewhere .

Actually I think all 5 lads left are very talented in their own ways and all deserve a career out of this
jaybs
26-05-2007
Ben also for me is the underdog or that should read was the underdog! and the same with Lewis - what a great final they would make.

Craig is not ready yet and Lee he is not a leading man, great member for any Theatre ensemble but that is all.
cleo1
26-05-2007
I don't think someone being an "underdog" is a god enough reason to give them a lead role in the west end.
froglet
26-05-2007
I think that tonight is going to be the night where one of those underdogs earns their place in the final alongside Lee.

Ben may do it if he sings his ballad in tune and with real emotion.

Craig may do it if he can just relax and look a bit less desperate, while keeping what he has learned so far.

Lewis may do it if he can relax enough to show what he can really do. Last week may have helped him, perversely enough.

Keith may do it if he can just find himself a persona to match that voice.

It's all to play for basically.

After what happened to Daniel we couldn't end up with Lee in the bottom two................... could we?
Pasta
26-05-2007
Voting for the underdog is the absolute bane of this sort of show - entertaining, talented people leave too early, while we have to whince through someone's 'journey' and be hectored about how much they've 'improved'.
Phil2003
26-05-2007
Originally Posted by Pasta:
“Voting for the underdog is the absolute bane of this sort of show - entertaining, talented people leave too early, while we have to whince through someone's 'journey' and be hectored about how much they've 'improved'.”

I know what you mean! And however much the other 4 have improved, Lee is still streets ahead.
froglet
26-05-2007
Originally Posted by Phil2003:
“I know what you mean! And however much the other 4 have improved, Lee is still streets ahead.”

I really can't see ALW saving anybody else over Lee so hopefully he will surely get into the final. There'll be no justice if he doesn't.
NoahsAark
26-05-2007
Originally Posted by froglet:
“I really can't see ALW saving anybody else over Lee so hopefully he will surely get into the final. There'll be no justice if he doesn't.”

Oh but weren't we all saying that about Daniel too ....

Don't tempt fate .... I couldn't cope with that again
NoahsAark
26-05-2007
Originally Posted by Pasta:
“Voting for the underdog is the absolute bane of this sort of show - entertaining, talented people leave too early, while we have to whince through someone's 'journey' and be hectored about how much they've 'improved'.”

Yep - last week proved that completely (well and previous weeks too if I'm honest!).
cleo1
26-05-2007
Originally Posted by Pasta:
“Voting for the underdog is the absolute bane of this sort of show - entertaining, talented people leave too early, while we have to whince through someone's 'journey' and be hectored about how much they've 'improved'.”

Here Here! well said
froglet
26-05-2007
Originally Posted by NoahsAark:
“Oh but weren't we all saying that about Daniel too ....

Don't tempt fate .... I couldn't cope with that again ”


Oh no. I didn't mean to tempt fate. Go Lee.
the tiny 1
26-05-2007
Originally Posted by Pasta:
“Voting for the underdog is the absolute bane of this sort of show - entertaining, talented people leave too early, while we have to whince through someone's 'journey' and be hectored about how much they've 'improved'.”

Whilst I agreee, I hope Lee doesn't win. I hated his performance last week. It sticks in my throat when they bring out the token "rock" song in programmes like this, even more so in the X-factor. Since when was whoring yourself on national tv in what is essentially a popularity contest "rock 'n' roll"?

I know probably had no say on the song choice but I hated it, so very insincere. (in my opinion)
Snippy
26-05-2007
People are underdogs for a reason.....they may be able to pull of the occassional moment of brilliance, but they are not consistently good.

It is madness to vote for someone because of a journey or because they managed to sing through a whole song once in tune!

To be a West End star you need to offer reliablity and consistenty. Vote for whoever you think can do that, who you honestly think can pull off the role of joseph night after night after night and still be brilliant everytime! If you don't think any of the remaining offer that then don't vote at all!

Talented people leave shows like this too soon because some people are attracted by a story. It's nonsense!
thms
26-05-2007
all the judges are quibbling over insignificant details.
four of them could be joseph, but only craig is joseph.
he's fit, he acts, he looks good and he sings beautifully.
jcello
26-05-2007
Originally Posted by the tiny 1:
“Whilst I agreee, I hope Lee doesn't win. I hated his performance last week. It sticks in my throat when they bring out the token "rock" song in programmes like this, even more so in the X-factor. Since when was whoring yourself on national tv in what is essentially a popularity contest "rock 'n' roll"?

I know probably had no say on the song choice but I hated it, so very insincere. (in my opinion)”

ALW picks the songs, not the performers. And performing a rock song (don't understand the quotes - the Stones aren't ROCK?) isn't "whoring," it's doing what all performers have to do: make the best out of an uncomfortable situation.
LaurieMarlow
26-05-2007
Originally Posted by the tiny 1:
“Whilst I agreee, I hope Lee doesn't win. I hated his performance last week. It sticks in my throat when they bring out the token "rock" song in programmes like this, even more so in the X-factor. Since when was whoring yourself on national tv in what is essentially a popularity contest "rock 'n' roll"?

I know probably had no say on the song choice but I hated it, so very insincere. (in my opinion)”

While obviously, I would defend to the death your right to your own opinion and your right to express it, sometimes I can't help feeling gobsmacked to find that someone out there thinks so utterly differently to me.

I thought Lee's performance last week was outstanding, easily the best thing to come out of this competition. However I suppose different reactions are what keeps the world interesting

Bye the bye, ALW chooses the songs. From what Daniel said, occasionally, if a contestant really hates the song they can petition to have it changed, but apart from that they have no imput in the choice.
cleo1
26-05-2007
Originally Posted by Snippy:
“People are underdogs for a reason.....they may be able to pull of the occassional moment of brilliance, but they are not consistently good.

It is madness to vote for someone because of a journey or because they managed to sing through a whole song once in tune!

To be a West End star you need to offer reliablity and consistenty. Vote for whoever you think can do that, who you honestly think can pull off the role of joseph night after night after night and still be brilliant everytime! If you don't think any of the remaining offer that then don't vote at all!

Talented people leave shows like this too soon because some people are attracted by a story. It's nonsense!”

I agree!
Phil2003
26-05-2007
Originally Posted by Snippy:
“People are underdogs for a reason.....they may be able to pull of the occassional moment of brilliance, but they are not consistently good.

It is madness to vote for someone because of a journey or because they managed to sing through a whole song once in tune!

To be a West End star you need to offer reliablity and consistenty. Vote for whoever you think can do that, who you honestly think can pull off the role of joseph night after night after night and still be brilliant everytime! If you don't think any of the remaining offer that then don't vote at all!

Talented people leave shows like this too soon because some people are attracted by a story. It's nonsense!”


Well said.
Mambo Italiano
26-05-2007
Originally Posted by jaybs:
“Ben also for me is the underdog or that should read was the underdog! and the same with Lewis - what a great final they would make.

Craig is not ready yet and Lee he is not a leading man, great member for any Theatre ensemble but that is all.”

THANK GOD someone finally sees this! Oh, jaybs, I could hug you - but I won't . Seriously people, go to the theatre enough (as I, and I guess a lot of people on these forums do) you'll see a trillion Lees. They're in every ensemble of every show in the West End; nice enough, but understudies, nothing more.
Phil2003
26-05-2007
Originally Posted by Mambo Italiano:
“THANK GOD someone finally sees this! Oh, jaybs, I could hug you - but I won't . Seriously people, go to the theatre enough (as I, and I guess a lot of people on these forums do) you'll see a trillion Lees. They're in every ensemble of every show in the West End; nice enough, but understudies, nothing more.”

Well if that's true about Lee, the rest should be doing school shows. Seriously, Lee IS ready - the rest are the ones that need to get some experience.
Mambo Italiano
26-05-2007
Originally Posted by Phil2003:
“Well if that's true about Lee, the rest should be doing school shows. Seriously, Lee IS ready - the rest are the ones that need to get some experience.”

In my mind, Lee isn't ready. Or he IS ready, but he's the eternal understudy. Seriously - there are hundreds of Lees in theatre land, ensemble players who look nice enough, sing well enough, get the occasional understudy gig; but have nothing to make them stand out in a crowd. Hell; at his age, as "awesome" as he is, as many breaks as he's had, why hasn't he got anywhere? He completely lacks charisma, and to be a Joseph, he's not going to hold anyone's attention over two hours. Unless they're cooing over his curls.
thms
26-05-2007
Originally Posted by Phil2003:
“Well if that's true about Lee, the rest should be doing school shows. Seriously, Lee IS ready - the rest are the ones that need to get some experience.”

joseph would be the right beginning
if lee is so good why is he doing joseph?
Phil2003
26-05-2007
Originally Posted by Mambo Italiano:
“In my mind, Lee isn't ready. Or he IS ready, but he's the eternal understudy. Seriously - there are hundreds of Lees in theatre land, ensemble players who look nice enough, sing well enough, get the occasional understudy gig; but have nothing to make them stand out in a crowd. Hell; at his age, as "awesome" as he is, as many breaks as he's had, why hasn't he got anywhere? He completely lacks charisma, and to be a Joseph, he's not going to hold anyone's attention over two hours. Unless they're cooing over his curls.”

You didn't really answer my point. If you're right about Lee, ALW is in trouble, as none of the others could possibly be considered ready if Lee isn't.

And why this obsession on the forum with 25 being old? Music theatre isn't like pop music where you're past it if you haven't 'made it' by the time you're about 19 - 25 is a great age to make your break.
Phil2003
26-05-2007
Originally Posted by thms:
“joseph would be the right beginning
if lee is so good why is he doing joseph?”

When I said experience for the others, I meant as part of the ensemble. What a strange question about Lee - he wants a leading role!
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