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The Rise Of The Underdogs.....
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cleo1
27-05-2007
Originally Posted by thms:
“true - if lee found himself in a sing off and snored all the
way through it, ALW would send the other joseph home.”

i doubt it
thms
27-05-2007
Originally Posted by cleo1:
“i doubt it”

really?
Angelica123
27-05-2007
With the result pretty much now a foregone conclusion, I find myself losing interest in who will win/in Lee. Even though I have always been a fan of Lee, I find myself rooting for one of the other to step up their game and actually challenge his position. Otherwise, as far as I can see, the semis and final are going to be pretty dull.

I think ALW made a huge mistake consistently picking inexperience yet may have potential over actual ability now. I understand that one of the interesting things about these shows is seeing a journey but it means that we're now stuck with one professional and 3 inexperienced boys. I think it's a pity cause there were a few others who I also thought could have been Joseph but never got this far.
Phil2003
28-05-2007
Originally Posted by Angelica123:
“With the result pretty much now a foregone conclusion, I find myself losing interest in who will win/in Lee. Even though I have always been a fan of Lee, I find myself rooting for one of the other to step up their game and actually challenge his position. Otherwise, as far as I can see, the semis and final are going to be pretty dull.

I think ALW made a huge mistake consistently picking inexperience yet may have potential over actual ability now. I understand that one of the interesting things about these shows is seeing a journey but it means that we're now stuck with one professional and 3 inexperienced boys. I think it's a pity cause there were a few others who I also thought could have been Joseph but never got this far.”

I agree with your second paragraph completely - but listening to ALW's comments after the show, I'm wonder if he's beginning to think the same thing. It doesn't stop me wanting Lee to win though!
cleo1
28-05-2007
I am not sure it is a forgone conclusion as to who will win - remember keith has never been in the bottom two as well as lee, and we don't know who is getting the highest voting figures. keith will get the granny and teen votes - so he might be way ahead for all we know.
Tanith Panic
28-05-2007
Keith way ahead? Ugh, I hope not. The thought of seeing that face plastered on posters all over London makes me queasy.
trixiehobbit
28-05-2007
Originally Posted by Tanith Panic:
“Keith way ahead? Ugh, I hope not. The thought of seeing that face plastered on posters all over London makes me queasy.”

Oh I could think of worse

Whats little Keith done to you eh? His face makes you feel sick? He ain't hurting you so if you can't stand him don't watch him. Shut your eyes in his bit. We're all born with features we perhaps woudn't have selected from the looks catalogue, but sheesh Tanith he's not exactly hideous is he. He's lovely imo, cute smile as well. I appreciate his voice and what he looks like has diddly squat to do with anything.

Sorry Tanith, I'm being snappy but we can still talk with a bit of respect about the boys can't we ?
twingle
28-05-2007
Originally Posted by trixiehobbit:
“Oh I could think of worse

Whats little Keith done to you eh? His face makes you feel sick? He ain't hurting you so if you can't stand him don't watch him. Shut your eyes in his bit. We're all born with features we perhaps woudn't have selected from the looks catalogue, but sheesh Tanith he's not exactly hideous is he. He's lovely imo, cute smile as well. I appreciate his voice and what he looks like has diddly squat to do with anything.

Sorry Tanith, I'm being snappy but we can still talk with a bit of respect about the boys can't we ?”

One of the nice things about you Trixie is although you adore Craig there is no viciousness in your posts towards other contestants. that is the sign of a true fan. Craig one of the loveliest contestants in that show should be proud he has nice fans
frell-tastic
28-05-2007
I don't see why there should be a negative aspect cast over Lee just becasue he is the most experienced, as someone has to be. It is als quite natural becasue he is the oldest so more oppertunities would have come his way. He hasn't had a leading role in a West End production-and this is what the show is about.
Mambo Italiano
28-05-2007
Originally Posted by Marie17:
“I'm not sure about the others, but Michael Ball was originally cast as Raoul in Phantom (second casting) and has never been an understudy in any production.

He auditioned for the chorus of Pirates of Penzance at the beginning of his career and landed the leading role of Fredric. Since that time (around 1984) he has always played leading roles.

Your concept is certainly correct though - star quality gets spotted quickly.”

I knew I'd get one wrong! Upon double-checking, he was actually cast as Marius in "Les Mis" in 1984; so probably never understudied. Doh! My general point is still that young talent gets spotted, like I guess he was.

I'm right about the others though!
babyfan
28-05-2007
If I am going to pay £50 quid to go to see a show - I want it to be amazing - I don't care about someones journey or if they are the under-dog (or not). I just want an amazing performance with no duff notes or wobbly performances. I want the most talented Joseph on that stage - that is what we should be discussing!

If Lee had it in the bag and was already the darling of the West End he wouldn't have entered - he is looking for his big break as much as anyone - most of the others have been to stage school so it doens't exactly make them 'unknowns picked off the street' - get some perspective, this is about TALENT
pettaw
28-05-2007
Yes, it is about talent and all of the final four have enough talent to make it fine. When we're watching it on the telly we're watching them sing songs that they've learnt in two days, not rehearsed for 6 weeks.

Also we get clearer sound and a big picture, enabling us to see right into the whites of their eyes and really see them. Even in the best seats in the house you'll never get such a clear picture or sound. You also hardly ever get such a fantastic live band but lets not go there

I'm not a regular theatre goer by any means, but I've certainly seen and heard worse singers than these final 4, or 5 actually, in shows that have been sold out and have been judged roaring successes.
Mambo Italiano
28-05-2007
Originally Posted by pettaw:
“Yes, it is about talent and all of the final four have enough talent to make it fine. When we're watching it on the telly we're watching them sing songs that they've learnt in two days, not rehearsed for 6 weeks.

Also we get clearer sound and a big picture, enabling us to see right into the whites of their eyes and really see them. Even in the best seats in the house you'll never get such a clear picture or sound. You also hardly ever get such a fantastic live band but lets not go there

I'm not a regular theatre goer by any means, but I've certainly seen and heard worse singers than these final 4, or 5 actually, in shows that have been sold out and have been judged roaring successes.”

Case in point - Jon from S Club being in Les Miserables. Saw it last week, and can honestly say you could have put me on stage, and I would have been better!

I'm a fairly regular theatre goer, went three times a month when I lived in London, and try and have a good trip (with three shows) every two months now; and singing is only one part of it (though, one that's about 60%). Stage presence means a lot, especially in a show like Joseph where the lead actor is nearly always on stage, in every scene. Out of all the final boys, there's only been a few who would hold my attention for two hours, and of the final four - I'd say only Ben would (and his singing's dodgy. Oh dear. Just let him dance).
SunshineCat11
28-05-2007
Unfortunately, I would never vote somebody simply because they are an underdog. Sadly, it seems to be the way most voting shows are decided in this country. It's about time we took a leaf out of the book of the Americans - they always support the underdog but never seem to chose them above the best. I dont think we Brits have quite reached that level of distinction yet. At the end of the day, if there's a job at the end of the competition, then the best person with the best all round capabilities should get the job - not the person who has had the hardest journey. It's a bit like the old saying "Daddy owns the company so gives the top job to his son" what's the point in that, if his son hasnt a clue how to run the company? Hope you understand what Im trying to say.
SunshineCat11
28-05-2007
Originally Posted by frell-tastic:
“I don't see why there should be a negative aspect cast over Lee just becasue he is the most experienced, as someone has to be. It is als quite natural becasue he is the oldest so more oppertunities would have come his way. He hasn't had a leading role in a West End production-and this is what the show is about.”

Well said - everybody tries their best to get the big break - he is doing the same as everybody else. I support him because quite simply I find he has the best voice, the best emotion which he feeds into all his performances and the best all round performer. I do like Ben, but to be honest, at only just 19, and recently having left school, and his clear imaturity which he shows when he snaps back at ALW and others, I really do not believe he is ready for a role like this at the moment, but one day, which some experience in maybe a supporting role and a little more grounding he certainly will be.
pettaw
28-05-2007
Its very difficult to stand there and be told you were rubbish though, so I think we can forgive them for answering back tbh. Lewis was shattered this week when ALW said he hadn't done enough.
trixiehobbit
28-05-2007
Cheers for the mention there twingle - just flying the flag for the good and the meek

I'm sure Craig has earned a lot more fans too for being an absolute diamond in that competition. He never quit did he. Didn't he do well eh? Fifth out of lordy knows how many applicants. He's gotta be chuffed with that I am
Gillypoots
28-05-2007
Originally Posted by trixiehobbit:
“Cheers for the mention there twingle - just flying the flag for the good and the meek

I'm sure Craig has earned a lot more fans too for being an absolute diamond in that competition. He never quit did he. Didn't he do well eh? Fifth out of lordy knows how many applicants. He's gotta be chuffed with that I am ”

Over the weeks Craig totally went up in my estimation. If he doesn't gain work from this, then it will be a total injustice.
cleo1
28-05-2007
Originally Posted by Gillypoots:
“Over the weeks Craig totally went up in my estimation. If he doesn't gain work from this, then it will be a total injustice.”

I also hope he does well - he certainly has the right attitude, and seems to have worked extremely hard throughout the comp, i have alot of respect for him.
Marie17
28-05-2007
Originally Posted by Mambo Italiano:
“I knew I'd get one wrong! Upon double-checking, he was actually cast as Marius in "Les Mis" in 1984; so probably never understudied. Doh! My general point is still that young talent gets spotted, like I guess he was.

I'm right about the others though! ”

That's OK!

Yes, Michael Ball was the original Marius in Les Mis. He was described in The Stage as "22 year old newcomer causing singing sensation at the Opera House" in his role in The Pirates of Penzance at the Manchester Opera House. On reading that, Cameron Mackintosh took himself off to Manchester to see for himself. He invited Michael to audition for the role in Les Mis.

I guess what all that signifies is that if you have enough potential star quality, producers etc. will come to YOU!

However, while I don't think there's another Michael Ball among the Josephs, there's certainly some great potential and I'm sure producers of current musicals will have had their eye on some of them!

Good luck to all of them ...
twingle
28-05-2007
Originally Posted by Marie17:
“That's OK!


I guess what all that signifies is that if you have enough potential star quality, producers etc. will come to YOU!

However, while I don't think there's another Michael Ball among the Josephs, there's certainly some great potential and I'm sure producers of current musicals will have had their eye on some of them!

Good luck to all of them ... ”

Dirty Dancing producers for Ben
froglet
28-05-2007
Originally Posted by pettaw:
“Its very difficult to stand there and be told you were rubbish though, so I think we can forgive them for answering back tbh. Lewis was shattered this week when ALW said he hadn't done enough.”

The one thing I do like about all the young ones is that, whatever they have felt, they have never let it stop them really giving it their best shot when they perform. Even when they are given something lacklustre to sing, or something which is out of their comfort zone.
trixiehobbit
29-05-2007
Originally Posted by twingle:
“Dirty Dancing producers for Ben ”

It was a dingg-donggg Oh I say.... moment wasn't it !
That guy can strut his stuff for sure
lassie
29-05-2007
Woah! Steady there Trixiehobbit I can feel the heat from here.
twingle
29-05-2007
Originally Posted by trixiehobbit:
“It was a dingg-donggg Oh I say.... moment wasn't it !
That guy can strut his stuff for sure ”

I wonder how many times I can watch it legally without been considered a pervert
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