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Old 27-05-2007, 13:44
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...I did find it quite funny that they weren't even really needed as backing singers - they were just there to smile and click their fingers!
I thought that was a bit off, actually. The four could have done a bit more of Westlife type backing, and just brought the gospel choir in at the end. As it was, they were drowned out totally by the (real) backing singers.
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Old 27-05-2007, 14:00
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In my opinion it was a little unfair but think it was the producers doing. Also, I think that Josh choose Lee becasue he was most impressed by him. If it was the producers choice I don't think Lee would have been chosen.
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Old 27-05-2007, 14:10
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Josh Groban was obviously going to choose Lee. He was going to sing a slow number, which immediately ruled Ben out, and he would have wanted a voice that would blend in well with his own low-lying voice - the pale, higher voices of Keith, Lewis and Craig had no chance. Daniel, Chris B or even Rob would have had a better chance than them, but of the Josephs available it pretty much had to be Lee. Whether it should have been done at all is another matter, but they did similar things on Fame Academy with the guest stars.
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Old 27-05-2007, 14:12
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Josh Groban was obviously going to choose Lee. He was going to sing a slow number, which immediately ruled Ben out, and he would have wanted a voice that would blend in well with his own low-lying voice - the pale, higher voices of Keith, Lewis and Craig had no chance. Daniel, Chris B or even Rob would have had a better chance than them, but of the Josephs available it pretty much had to be Lee. Whether it should have been done at all is another matter, but they did similar things on Fame Academy with the guest stars.
All i can say is that i am glad it was all done when the phonelines closed!

Who ever was going to be picked other fans would have felt disappointed only natural.

It wasnt Lees fault he was the chosen 1.
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Old 27-05-2007, 14:19
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All i can say is that i am glad it was all done when the phonelines closed!

Who ever was going to be picked other fans would have felt disappointed only natural.

It wasnt Lees fault he was the chosen 1.
Exactly.
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Old 27-05-2007, 14:30
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Yea but in all fairness non of the others would have done the song justice. It was obv a ploy by the producers.
Thats a matter of opinion.

Keith has already sang that song. The quality is poor, but in my opinionI I thought he more than did the song justice (and moreso than Lee)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMP3AL6tzrU
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Old 27-05-2007, 14:49
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You do realise that this is for a theatre performer not a recording artist?

Are you not aware that as Louis Walsh will be managing the winner! it will not be just for The Theatre, that is not his speciality - a Ģ200,000 recording contract has also been discussed!
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Old 27-05-2007, 14:53
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Josh Groban was obviously going to choose Lee. He was going to sing a slow number, which immediately ruled Ben out, and he would have wanted a voice that would blend in well with his own low-lying voice - the pale, higher voices of Keith, Lewis and Craig had no chance. Daniel, Chris B or even Rob would have had a better chance than them, but of the Josephs available it pretty much had to be Lee. Whether it should have been done at all is another matter, but they did similar things on Fame Academy with the guest stars.
well said - josh groban chose who he thought would sound best singing that song with him - simple, its not saying he didn't think the others were any good, he just chose who he thought would gel best with his own voice and do the song credit.
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Old 27-05-2007, 14:57
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Note sure I understand this bit. Lee is older than Josh Groban isn't he ? But then they both look younger than they actually are.

I'm sure I've missed your point, but I couldn't figure out what it was.

Josh Groban was born in 1981, but when you stand at his side he does look older, perhaps he is more mature? for his age - Lee looks far older than Josh, I don't know if it is Lee's hair at the front that does not help, his face also looks worn not fresh like Ben Keith and Lewis! - I keep going back to the original criteria that ALW was looking for someone young and poppy like Justin Timberlake?
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Old 27-05-2007, 15:00
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Josh Groban was born in 1981, but when you stand at his side he does look older, perhaps he is more mature? for his age - Lee looks far older than Josh, I don't know if it is Lee's hair at the front that does not help, his face also looks worn not fresh like Ben Keith and Lewis! - I keep going back to the original criteria that ALW was looking for someone young and poppy like Justin Timberlake?

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Old 27-05-2007, 15:01
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If the producers are pushing the show in Lee's direction then I don't blame them. They have millions of pounds riding on the show being a success and, frankly, Lee is the only one left who can deliver them that success.

The typical theatre-goer isn't a teenage girl - it's an older, wiser demographic who has seen many other stunning performances in their time and won't put up with something second-rate in the West End. The critics will not be kind to anything short of brilliant. They will be lining up to take pot-shots at the show. They would have loved to trash The Sound of Music, they don't like the idea of casting-by-TV, but Connie Fisher was so good they could only praise it. As someone who goes to the theatre two or three times a month, and has seen half of what's currently on at the West End, I can promise you that Lee is the only one who will keep the show still going this time next year.

In that respect, it wouldn't surprise me at all to learn that they rigged Josh's decision to let Lee sing. For a start he was the only one who had the right voice for it, and Josh wasn't there to give them support, guys, he was there to promote himself and sell a few albums!! So he would have agreed to do whatever. It would have sounded slightly embarassing for the others to have been singing with him, they just don't have the voices. But I think ALW has realised that the success of Joseph rests with Lee. Ben doesn't have the vocal ability, Lewis is a wet blanket, Keith is too annoying and childish, and Craig is too cheesy.

Rather than create a backlash for Lee over favouritism, I think it is far more likely that the performance of You Raise Me Up will have made a lot of people think "wow!" in a way that none of the others have done, and will generate more votes for Lee next week. Also, the edited VT showing the others being disappointed, may have been intended to show the others in a bad light (you never know how they're editing these things and what they choose to cut out) but Bill Kenwright's sarcasting barb at them afterwards - "my one abiding memory of this show will be the support you showed Lee, well done guys" - made it clear that the judges genuinely think there's some resentment going on behind the scenes.

Of course they'll be jealous of the attention that Lee's getting, but they are also proving to be ungracious and not very good actors - come on guys you could at least pretend to be happy for him - you're auditioning for an acting job, after all! Showbiz is about putting on a united front no matter how you're feeling. People who lose at the Oscars are obviously gutted but those who scowl get labelled as ungracious. Pop stars slating each other in public may be an attention-grabbing tactic, used because the genre is so utterly disposeable and has little to do with talent, but that kind of thing doesn't wash in other artistic circles where talent counts for more and what goes around comes around.

Sorry for the rant but I feel AWL is entirely justified in pushing Lee on the show as it is his investment on the line, and people who know theatre will know that Lee is the right choice. I have total faith in the GBP to follow his lead and choose the right Joseph. Before anyone starts bleating about this being opinion and not fact, of course it's all my opinion, but I honestly expect Lee to still be on the West End stage in 5 years time, and 10 years time, not in Joseph but in other leading roles, he will have a wonderful career after this. I don't feel the others have the necessary stage presence to hold a show.
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Old 27-05-2007, 15:02
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Have you visited SpecSavers recently jaybs? I really would recommend it!
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Old 27-05-2007, 15:12
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Are you not aware that as Louis Walsh will be managing the winner! it will not be just for The Theatre, that is not his speciality - a Ģ200,000 recording contract has also been discussed!
I could be wrong, but I'm sure I read somewhere that the winner will record an album with songs from Joseph (like a soundtrack I suppose, although the article was a bit vague on details). I've not heard that they're going to be doing any kind of pop career (and they wouldn't have time surely, especially if their run was extended, which could definitely happen if Lee won).
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Old 27-05-2007, 15:12
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Thats a matter of opinion.

Keith has already sang that song. The quality is poor, but in my opinionI I thought he more than did the song justice (and moreso than Lee)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMP3AL6tzrU
Just to add to that comment about Lee being the only one to chose...I think that is completely wrong. I understand why Lee fans support Lee - I agree with them when they say he looks more suited to the part/can act better etc - but to claim only he has the voice is just showing bias. I think Keith has a better voice - and a voice very well suited to that song - as showed in the clip of him singing it.

Perhaps Josh didnīt want to be upstaged
Seriously though, if Josh preferred Lee thats fair enough. But for some to suggest Lee is miles ahead (vocal wise) compared to the others is not true.
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Old 27-05-2007, 15:17
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Just to add to that comment about Lee being the only one to chose...I think that is completely wrong. I understand why Lee fans support Lee - I agree with them when they say he looks more suited to the part/can act better etc - but to claim only he has the voice is just showing bias. I think Keith has a better voice - and a voice very well suited to that song - as showed in the clip of him singing it.

Perhaps Josh didnīt want to be upstaged
Seriously though, if Josh preferred Lee thats fair enough. But for some to suggest Lee is miles ahead (vocal wise) compared to the others is not true.
Lees voice is more suitedto blend well with josh's during that song - not saying keith hasn't got a lovely voice, he has, but it wouldn't have worked as well as part of a duet with josh. think thats the bottom line really, josh picked who he thought would work best with him in the duet.
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Old 27-05-2007, 15:17
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Just to add to that comment about Lee being the only one to chose...I think that is completely wrong. I understand why Lee fans support Lee - I agree with them when they say he looks more suited to the part/can act better etc - but to claim only he has the voice is just showing bias. I think Keith has a better voice - and a voice very well suited to that song - as showed in the clip of him singing it.

Perhaps Josh didnīt want to be upstaged
Seriously though, if Josh preferred Lee thats fair enough. But for some to suggest Lee is miles ahead (vocal wise) compared to the others is not true.
I don't think Lee is miles ahead vocally, Keith has got a lovely voice! But unfortunately Lee is miles ahead in every other area!
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Old 27-05-2007, 15:20
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Have you visited SpecSavers recently jaybs? I really would recommend it!

Nothing wrong thankfully! with my eye sight, are you getting carried away like cleo1 being fanatical about Lee and not allowing others their right to have an opinion?
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Old 27-05-2007, 15:22
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Nothing wrong thankfully! with my eye sight, are you getting carried away like cleo1 being fanatical about Lee and not allowing others their right to have an opinion?
Please don't tar me with your obsessive brush! i won't cry if lee doesn't win, i just think he is the most talented. i personally pity you if you feel the need to personally attack other forum members for no reason like that
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Old 27-05-2007, 15:27
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Calm down everyone! Who died?????

Lee was chosen by Josh, he sang it very well, the others snivelled!

Get over it!
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Old 27-05-2007, 15:28
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Calm down everyone! Who died?????

Lee was chosen by Josh, he sang it very well, the others snivelled!

Get over it!
Well said.

Can someone please tell me where Lee said Let me do it and have the others as backing singers?
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Old 27-05-2007, 15:29
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Calm down everyone! Who died?????

Lee was chosen by Josh, he sang it very well, the others snivelled!

Get over it!
well said snippy
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Old 27-05-2007, 15:30
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Well said.

Can someone please tell me where Lee said Let me do it and have the others as backing singers?
I actually saw him stampede over Craig, elbow Keith in the teeth, kick Lewis in the shins and pull Ben's hair!

Honestly! Lee would just do anything to win!
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Old 27-05-2007, 15:31
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well said snippy
Thanks

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Old 27-05-2007, 15:46
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Please don't tar me with your obsessive brush! i won't cry if lee doesn't win, i just think he is the most talented. i personally pity you if you feel the need to personally attack other forum members for no reason like that

I'm not obsessive Cleo1 and I do not attack others as everyone is allowed opinions, look back at the thread please "Specsavers"

Everyone needs to calm down at times, all I ask is for a level playing field for all the contestants and I like many others here are now most "Cynical"
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Old 27-05-2007, 15:48
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http://www.thestage.co.uk/tvtoday/20..._do_week_9.php

The Stage review - for a bit of perspective.
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