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What if a Joseph with a weak voice wins
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Mamunia
29-05-2007
I'm not naming any names - I don't want to start a fight on this thread - but there are a couple of Josephs that could never sustain 7+ shows a week. What will the producers do in this instance?
lassie
29-05-2007
I think any of the four finalists can do this, whatever the position is with their voice. Firstly it will be the same songs week in week out, so they will know the exact range/pitch they need to work on. Secondly repetition = perfection so book for around 6 weeks into the run of the show.
bev2110
29-05-2007
Don't worry, Lee will be absolutely fine!
Mamunia
29-05-2007
Originally Posted by bev2110:
“Don't worry, Lee will be absolutely fine! ”

Hope so. Unfortunately, quite often the favourite comes second
twingle
29-05-2007
What if a Joseph with no stage personna wins?

What if a very young Joseph who is too emotional wins?

I really hope an all rounder wins and all four get something out of this competition. They all deserve fame some right now and some in the not too distant future.
kyri
29-05-2007
The favourites Keith and Lee can hold 7+ shows a week with their voices. So hopefully the public vote wisely.
PeteO
29-05-2007
There will be a replacement in case of illness or free time, if the leading man is not up to 8 shows a week he will do less.
Gill P
29-05-2007
Originally Posted by kyri:
“The favourites Keith and Lee can hold 7+ shows a week with their voices. So hopefully the public vote wisely.”

I agree about the singing but not sure that Keith can cope with the acting.
LaurieMarlow
29-05-2007
Originally Posted by Gilberto:
“I agree about the singing but not sure that Keith can cope with the acting.”

Seconded, if I were ALW I'd be pretty worried about that.
jaybs
29-05-2007
I have no doubts that with support of ALW and his Theatre Group whichever becomes JOSEPH they will have no serious problem - all we need is the one to make JOSEPH FRESH AND NEW ONCE AGAIN!
cleo1
29-05-2007
Originally Posted by Mamunia:
“I'm not naming any names - I don't want to start a fight on this thread - but there are a couple of Josephs that could never sustain 7+ shows a week. What will the producers do in this instance?”

replace them - nothing else they can do!
andallthatjazz
29-05-2007
Originally Posted by kyri:
“The favourites Keith and Lee can hold 7+ shows a week with their voices. So hopefully the public vote wisely.”


ALW can pick his Keith as Joseph for all he wants as long as he puts a paperbag on Keith while he's on stage signing his guts out.

I hope Lloyd Webber realise it's not just having a good voice but he's got to be pleasing to the eye combined with great personality ....and not a snifflling "leading actor".
twingle
29-05-2007
Originally Posted by andallthatjazz:
“ALW can pick his Keith as Joseph for all he wants as long as he puts a paperbag on Keith while he's on stage signing his guts out.

I hope Lloyd Webber realise it's not just having a good voice but he's got to be pleasing to the eye combined with great personality ....and not a snifflling "leading actor".”

I admit I didn't get the appeal of Keith till his new hair cut and still doesn't appeal to me but can see how he would for the young ones.
He is in no way ugly and I think that is unkind to make the paperbag comment. My main problem with Keith is his lack of acting skills which i know will come in time but he isn't ready for Joseph unless someone tells me there is hardly any acting or stage presence needed
LaurieMarlow
29-05-2007
I'm not here to slag off Keith's looks, and obviously lots of the young'uns think he's really cute. It's just that, if you were ALW (and bearing in mind that lots of tourists who have never seen the TV show buy tickets for musicals) whose face would you prefer on the posters, Keith's or Lee's?
andallthatjazz
29-05-2007
Originally Posted by twingle:
“I admit I didn't get the appeal of Keith till his new hair cut and still doesn't appeal to me but can see how he would for the young ones.
He is in no way ugly and I think that is unkind to make the paperbag comment. My main problem with Keith is his lack of acting skills which i know will come in time but he isn't ready for Joseph unless someone tells me there is hardly any acting or stage presence needed”


But Keith is ugly, the kind of face won't sell tickets in the West End. Granted he can sing but so what.
Eryndil
29-05-2007
This thread seems to have moved away from the original question somewhat
bev2110
29-05-2007
Originally Posted by Eryndil:
“This thread seems to have moved away from the original question somewhat ”


I do think Lewis and Ben would struggle.
dulcinea1086
29-05-2007
Originally Posted by twingle:
“My main problem with Keith is his lack of acting skills which i know will come in time but he isn't ready for Joseph unless someone tells me there is hardly any acting or stage presence needed”

It is't just stage presence, he doesn't move very well either. I'm sure that will improve but there is a short window of opportunity until the show opens.

Stricly on topic it isn't just a weak voice that is the problem. It is a bit critical the lead can stay in tune consistently, but it is the acting and physical confidence on stage as well. They are all essential for a good performance.

Good singers do concerts - musical theatre requires a wider range of skills.
Phil2003
29-05-2007
Originally Posted by lassie:
“I think any of the four finalists can do this, whatever the position is with their voice. Firstly it will be the same songs week in week out, so they will know the exact range/pitch they need to work on. Secondly repetition = perfection so book for around 6 weeks into the run of the show.”

I don't like to put words into someone else's mouth, but I think what Mamunia was getting at is that someone could win whose voice isn't physically strong enough to cope with doing that many shows every single week. So it's a different question from whether they're good enough to sing the songs.
andallthatjazz
29-05-2007
Originally Posted by dulcinea1086:
“It is't just stage presence, he doesn't move very well either. I'm sure that will improve but there is a short window of opportunity until the show opens.

Stricly on topic it isn't just a weak voice that is the problem. It is a bit critical the lead can stay in tune consistently, but it is the acting and physical confidence on stage as well. They are all essential for a good performance.

Good singers do concerts - musical theatre requires a wider range of skills.”


And that is why Lloyd Webber's screaming of pop singing Joseph with a bit of timberlake a bit of this &a bit of that is total bullshit!

I'm pretty sure he would rather he goes for someone with already stage experience ( Connie Fisher anyone) who he knows has got the stamina, skills, voice, presence, who can command the stage & take the audience with him....not to mention will sell him those tickets at the box office.
Pasta
29-05-2007
My own feeling is that, of the four we're left with, there's only one who would struggle to make 7+ performances from a purely vocal perspective, and that is Ben - simply because his voice doesn't lie well for the part. As well as the tuning issue, he would have to focus on the soft singing and the sustained slow singing to keep his sometimes intrusive vibrato under control and that could be exhausting. Plus, there's relatively little lively stuff to give him a break.
morrislee
29-05-2007
Originally Posted by andallthatjazz:
“ALW can pick his Keith as Joseph for all he wants as long as he puts a paperbag on Keith while he's on stage signing his guts out.

I hope Lloyd Webber realise it's not just having a good voice but he's got to be pleasing to the eye combined with great personality ....and not a snifflling "leading actor".”


shouldnt laugh at your comment...but to have to look at Keith for 2 hours I would have to have had a joint I think first...so he can sing ...much much more needed ..To see him as the object of desire from older woman ..errmm ..please no
jaybs
29-05-2007
Originally Posted by Pasta:
“My own feeling is that, of the four we're left with, there's only one who would struggle to make 7+ performances from a purely vocal perspective, and that is Ben - simply because his voice doesn't lie well for the part. As well as the tuning issue, he would have to focus on the soft singing and the sustained slow singing to keep his sometimes intrusive vibrato under control and that could be exhausting. Plus, there's relatively little lively stuff to give him a break.”

If you knew anything about Ben personally or if you one of his Tutor's in London, you would well know this is no problem for BEN - I can assure You!
twingle
29-05-2007
Originally Posted by jaybs:
“If you knew anything about Ben personally or if you one of his Tutor's in London, you would well know this is no problem for BEN - I can assure You!”

Ah Jaybs that has made my heart go up a beat. I have thought for weeks that if he was so bad there is no way they would keep saving him
bobbla
29-05-2007
I'll only be trying to get tickets if Lee wins, so personally it makes no difference to me because it won't spoil a performance i would have no intention of seeing.

If a Joseph with a weak voice wins (and i assume you mean Ben as hes the only one who consistantly hits bum notes) then i worry for him tbh. Same goes for Lewis and Keith.

I do think all these boys have potential but tbh if any of them win it might not be a case of their big break but a premature end to their careers. I just don't believe any of them are ready for it yet.

The publicity around these shows is phenominal and i'm betting the critics are going to be circling waiting for blood.

I worry about any of the 3 boys winning and not putting in a spectacular performance. Any hint of bum notes, lack of charisma or lack of inner strength and they could be slaughtered
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