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The Apprentice-Week 10-May 30th-Episode Discussion Thread
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Kolakube
30-05-2007
I was actually glad Naomi went over Simon tonight. I do thoroughly like Simon as a candidate, and yes he did lose it tonight, but Tre's beginning to get more and more difficult, and Naomi does just come across as a bit nothingy.

I don't know exactly how much they lost by, but Simon's team was in the 900's and Kristinas team was over 1000.

I think the way he's worked in previous tasks (i.e the Trainer task and even back to week 1 in the coffee task.) has been great. On the otherhand, Naomi has been average throughout imo.

Simon has found enthusiasm when it's been needed, and I don't think he's whinged extensively and he has basically got on with it - which is what Sir Alan pointed out.
aquaplex
30-05-2007
Vanessa Feltz was bang on with her comment though, the firsttime I have ever agreed with her.

You dont just watch the TV and see a awheelchair and think 'Oh I might just buy one as I need one' (or at least very very few people would)- if you needed one you would have had one
Alrightmate
30-05-2007
Originally Posted by Red2:
“Lohit and Katie could do breakfast tv!”

Katie: "Good morning you sad moronic chavs".
Cami_27
30-05-2007
If we look at Simon overall though:

1st and 2nd weeks: good, could sell and was thinking outside the box.

3rd week: invisible

4th week: good; could sell the crap and also picked up on the location issue

5th week: good; sold two paintings, making a lot of the money for the team

6th week: invisible

7th week: pretty poor, and lucky to have won as TC

8th week: CRINGE; but mostly ok

9th week: lucky not to have been taken into the boardroom

10th week: this week


So a mixed bag; he has shown some ingenuity and business sense, just had a couple of bad weeks.

I think Naomi seriously blotted her copybook in Week 3 with her total inability to lead. She hasn't lead since, and has just faded into the background without any - 'ok, that was good' moments.
Jamie181
30-05-2007
Originally Posted by Cami_27:
“If we look at Simon overall though:

1st and 2nd weeks: good, could sell and was thinking outside the box.

3rd week: invisible

4th week: good; could sell the crap and also picked up on the location issue

5th week: good; sold two paintings, making a lot of the money for the team

6th week: invisible

7th week: pretty poor, and lucky to have won as TC

8th week: CRINGE; but mostly ok

9th week: lucky not to have been taken into the boardroom

10th week: this week


So a mixed bag; he has shown some ingenuity and business sense, just had a couple of bad weeks.

I think Naomi seriously blotted her copybook in Week 3 with her total inability to lead. She hasn't lead since, and has just faded into the background without any - 'ok, that was good' moments.”

If he'd have tried to justify it in that way, I wouldn't have minded so much. Naomi hadn't volunteered to be PM when she really should have done, but this was never brought up by SAS.

It was the pathetic way he tried to justify everything that annoyed me more than anything. There's no way you can even begin to justify saving Simon based solely on this task.....
Puterkid
30-05-2007
Not laughed so much for ages Rib-achingly hilarious and gut-wenchingly cringeworthy. You couldn't have made it up Christina and the mop - followed by a bouncing Simon - and that before the leg screwing moment!

Of course he should have gone, but hey! He's much funnier than Naomi
snoweyowl
30-05-2007
I quite agree with the many here, firing Naomi was so wrong. I'd have fired Tre because of his long record of negative attitude seen here yet again.

Meanwhile Katie sails on, probably the best performer on the task. I don't think she'll win but Katie, I'm still a fan. Get in there and give those pompous interviewers a working over before meeting Adrian 'grim reaper' Chiles.

Sarah Greene?. Didn't recognise her. Surely she used to be absolutely gorgeous. A bit dim though given who she married.

Snowey
Alrightmate
30-05-2007
Originally Posted by Red_Duck:
“I agree. His masturbation and his complete lack of direction in the control room meant the others were floundering. Why was that not taken into consideration by the judges? ”

That's what I thought. It's not Tre and Naomi's fault that Simon simply failed to give them instructions and left them to make it up as they went along.
Simon produced really badly. He was supposed to pass on information to Naomi and Tre but did nothing.

As demonstrated earlier in the programme Simon just wanted to grab the spotlight and not work as a team player.

It was crucial that he directed them well from the production booth, but said nothing.
oulandy
30-05-2007
Originally Posted by mazey:
“Thanks, I may have missed it.

I can find the Monday programme, but not the Saturday one, it says Seven Ages of Rock at 9 pm?”

Yes, there's a separate thread with the correct date. It's on Sunday night.
mazey
30-05-2007
Originally Posted by oulandy:
“Yes, there's a separate thread with the correct date. It's on Sunday night.”

Thanks oulandy and marke09, found it.

PS BBBM on now with Chris Moyles.
oulandy
30-05-2007
Others have said it above about tonight's fiasco. I see a theme running through the Apprentice programme which is increasingly annoying me. If I can tear myself away from BB, (which unfortunately I missed most of tonight, for the sake of this farrago), I will try to compose my thoughts and start a separate thread.
skaroth
30-05-2007
Gnomey was robbed, Simon should have gone - Tre and Gnomey sold those wheelchairs, against the odds, and their stuff didn't sell because Simon had no idea what he was selling! A good sales person can sell anything!
Makosi's pants
31-05-2007
Still PSML at tonights episode. Simon's "bouncy wank" Kristina's "I fly on brooms, I don't use them to clean" attitude, Lohit being pants SAS's comments while watching the show, hard-man Nick, desperately keeping a straight face while everyone else in the boardroom was laughing, Simon fooling Tre and Naomi into thinking he wouldn't mud-sling in the boardroom and then doing exactly that - too, too funny. And to top it all off, the right person was fired, even if it was the wrong episode. I think, even more than Syed last year, Naomi is the most useless, negative candidate to make it to this stage of the series. I was loving it so much I only saw 2 big bro hm's go in the "footballer's twins" (I can imagine Teddy Sherringham is phoning the producers right now ) and the Welsh (anti) fag-hag. Be interesting to see the ratings for each show.....
Makosi's pants
31-05-2007
Sorry. How could I forget, Katie and "Mavis"!
Ethereal
31-05-2007
Is anyone else actually starting to like Katie? She made me laugh with the whole Mavis nonsence. Still don't want her to win and she's still horrible but funny nevertheless lol!

Tonights episode was sooo funny. Why didn't Naomi or Tre notice Simon's angle when screwing in those trampoline legs? LOL.
Drood
31-05-2007
I can't believe the reason Alan Sugar kept Simon was because the wheelchair was the item that made the most money. I can't believe he sold any! Anyone watching the shopping channel who was in need of a foldable wheelchair was probably thinking "That looks ideal, but unfortunately due to my lack of a wheelchair I can't get out of this armchair and make my way across the room to the phone. Oh the irony!"

And what's with Katie and her imaginary customers? A couple of weeks ago we were imagining Jay the teenager and now it's Mavis the ample busomed knitting fanatic. When she meets the interviewers next week she'll probably say "I'd like you all to meet Katie. She's a backstabber and a homewrecker".

If only Adam had been there, he'd have known what viewers of shopping channels really want, what with him being from up north.
Reality Sucks
31-05-2007
Originally Posted by Drood:
“I can't believe the reason Alan Sugar kept Simon was because the wheelchair was the item that made the most money. I can't believe he sold any! Anyone watching the shopping channel who was in need of a foldable wheelchair was probably thinking "That looks ideal, but unfortunately due to my lack of a wheelchair I can't get out of this armchair and make my way across the room to the phone. Oh the irony!"

And what's with Katie and her imaginary customers? A couple of weeks ago we were imagining Jay the teenager and now it's Mavis the ample busomed knitting fanatic. When she meets the interviewers next week she'll probably say "I'd like you all to meet Katie. She's a backstabber and a homewrecker".

If only Adam had been there, he'd have known what viewers of shopping channels really want, what with him being from up north.”

Especially as he'd instructed them to go for mid priced items and avoid expensive ones. Simon's a numpty and the only reason he was saved is because Sugar likes him. There was no way he should still be there.
ah83
31-05-2007
Maybe Sir Alan is worried about another Apprentice getting pregnant and sees Tre and Simon as the people this is least likely to happen to.
Lucytash
31-05-2007
Originally Posted by Puterkid:
“Not laughed so much for ages Rib-achingly hilarious and gut-wenchingly cringeworthy. You couldn't have made it up Christina and the mop - followed by a bouncing Simon - and that before the leg screwing moment!

Of course he should have gone, but hey! He's much funnier than Naomi”

Absolutely agree! I've just watched it again as my son hadn't seen it & we howled. Simon's leg-screwing especially will go down in TV's funniest moments history.
hume
31-05-2007
Tre's comments on the wheelchair were funnier than the tramoline moment IMHO. To be honest I didn't know what was happening at the time it was aired, it was only until your fired that i twigged. all i can say is that some of you who caught it the first time round, must have perverted minds.
I thought it would have been harsh on simon if he went tonight. Afterall its not like hes always in the boardroom and noami throughout has proved to be weak link, despite deserving to stay this week.
If kristina doesn't win the show it will surprise everyone (including SAS) and none more so than me.
I don't like her win at all cost attitude (the lollipop incident with the child) but there is no denying her ability.
perversely I feel katie and kristina will be the final two candidates though I'm holding out hopes on a lohit v tre, simon v tre final.
Ethereal
31-05-2007
It annoyed me that nobody brought up how silent Simon was when he was meant to be instructing Naomi and Tre. And then when he lied and said that the phone calls were busy when they weren't.

He was completely useless in this task and cracked under the pressure. Naomi wasn't one of my favourite but based on this task, Simon definitely deserved to go.
Gutted Girl
31-05-2007
Simon is far luckier than he deserves to be. I was definitely thinking Miriam when Naomi was fired.

Simon's trampoline demonstration will get replayed over and over again though. It was so funny. OH was yelling at the TV screen, no you can't say that, when Simon was making the even small children can do it comment.

How can anyone be so unaware of what they are doing?
thenetworkbabe
31-05-2007
Originally Posted by MetalMonkey:
“He should have fired her when she was project manager but tonight it should have been Simon. SAS likes them boys for some reason. I was a bit surprised when he turned on Naomi.

Had to laugh at SAS counting the number of times Kristina said OK and they said it a few times on the board room along with a few ya's. Also Simon said at one point I went "out on a limb for the wheelchair."”

Why keep the boys though. You can't have a winner who you described as a plank or who you slate as he did like he did Tre tonight and last week. They are just not credible inside or outside the firm now. Your choice is then limited to Lohit - the "who?" candidate who has hown no great skill at anything and can't do so now with no more tasks. After that its Kristina who fouled up on presenting this week and strategy in the advertising week or Katie who probably terrifies SAS and is too much like Ruth.

He hasn't got a credible winner who gets most thing right who isn't visible for the wrong reasons h like Katie or invisible like Lohit. Kristina is the nearest to fitting the job spec but she's made too many big mistakes to look a secure choice.

Doomed is the word that occurs.
Woodbeam
31-05-2007
Originally Posted by ah83:
“Maybe Sir Alan is worried about another Apprentice getting pregnant and sees Tre and Simon as the people this is least likely to happen to.”

Hmmm I doubt whether Katie who already has 2 children and Katrina who has an 18 year old are likely to live up to the stereotypical myth that women of childbearing age are not reliable.
Agent Krycek
31-05-2007
I think that was the most annoyed at a firing I've been since the Miriam went over Paul in Season one, at exactly the same point

Hilarious episode though, the trampoline moment will live long in my memory, both of us were in tears as he just continued on screwing and unscrewing the legs, seemingly completely oblivious.

Next week, I can see Simon getting found out at interview stage, similar to the very good salesman from last year (apologies, completely forgotten his name, possibly Paul). I think Tre will go as well, the interviewers may not take to his b*llshitting, leaving Lohit, Kristina and Katie. My guess would be Katie goes, she's fouled up and got away with it a few times, I think her cards marked, leaving a Lohit v Kristina final.

Lohit's done very little wrong, sort of reminds me of Tim Season 1, unspectacular but a great team player, where as Kristina is more up front and aggressive, proved she can sell, probably more of a leader then Lohit.
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