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The Apprentice-Week 10-May 30th-Episode Discussion Thread
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nwbrfc
31-05-2007
Originally Posted by bevheth:
“Why is it okay to buy crap from another source but not off the telly?”

On no, please don't tell me you're offended by that as well???

Eek - maybe you are a northern ex car sales person, who wears too much fake tan, wears skirts too tight for your derrier, with a large bossom sat at home knitting watching QVC (or other channel) whilst your labrador looks on at you quizzically?

Sorry that's not a dig at you, just trying to be funny (note to myself don't try to be what I am obviously not)
vidalia
31-05-2007
Originally Posted by nwbrfc:
“On no, please don't tell me you're offended by that as well???

Eek - maybe you are a northern ex car sales person, who wears too much fake tan, wears skirts too tight for your derrier, with a large bossom sat at home knitting watching QVC (or other channel) whilst your labrador looks on at you quizzically?

Sorry that's not a dig at you, just trying to be funny (note to myself don't try to be what I am obviously not)”

You got three of those right. I won't say which ones though.
oulandy
31-05-2007
Originally Posted by horsesmouth:
“Is it just me or was Sir Alan Sugar patronising to Naomi calling her a 'young girl' even though she was 25?”

That seems to be a theme in the way he regards female candidates on the show.
williams96
31-05-2007
Originally Posted by MetalMonkey:
“I dont want to upset or disrespect anyone but who in Gods name watches these programmes and buy that stuff in the quantities SAS said are bought each hour?

I am a sucker for buying crap but never off the telly.”

Impulse buy, you've been looking for something for awhile and it is easy to buy off the TV I guess, but I don't think individuals buy it in big quantities, it is the quantity of individuals that buy that is reflected in sales.

I'm sure most of these TV sales rely on websites etc which list items so people will watch when there is something they want like looking in an Argos book. If they don't have a website then I don't know how it would work out.
oulandy
31-05-2007
Originally Posted by Dictamus:
“ Simon's getting away with it because he's posh and went to Cambridge. He was absolutely terrible last night and completely froze under pressure. He's been clueless and useless before but never as bad as this. He might have thought through his reasons for choosing the wheelchair but they were still pretty stupid and he was rescued because Naomi was able to sell it, nothing to do with it being a good choice of product.

He also seems to come from the old school of sexism, talking about how a woman would "assist" a male presenter when Naomi was streets ahead of both him and Tre at presenting. What a wassock.”

I don't that that is the reason.

Quite a few of those on the present and previous shows and it has never stopped them from progressing.
jjpof
31-05-2007
When you are as old as Sir Alan and me Naomi at 25 is indeed a "young girl".
nwbrfc
31-05-2007
Originally Posted by williams96:
“Impulse buy, you've been looking for something for awhile and it is easy to buy off the TV I guess, but I don't think individuals buy it in big quantities, it is the quantity of individuals that buy that is reflected in sales.

I'm sure most of these TV sales rely on websites etc which list items so people will watch when there is something they want like looking in an Argos book. If they don't have a website then I don't know how it would work out.”

I'm going to run the risk of sounding like Katie here , but . . . the people who watch these tv sales shows are the same people who watch BB every day (and possibly all day). They are people who have no life to speak of, they just get hooked on inane nonsense to fill their day.

Should I be fluttering my eyelids and cocking my head to one side in a flirty manner right now?? (even though I am a bloke!!)
williams96
31-05-2007
Originally Posted by nwbrfc:
“I'm going to run the risk of sounding like Katie here , but . . . the people who watch these tv sales shows are the same people who watch BB every day (and possibly all day). They are people who have no life to speak of, they just get hooked on inane nonsense to fill their day.

Should I be fluttering my eyelids and cocking my head to one side in a flirty manner right now?? (even though I am a bloke!!)”

Can I ask why you assume to buy something from the TV you have to be watching it for ages? You can just flicker through the channels and spot something you want and impulse buy. I remember not having a clue about what to buy my two younger brothers for Christmas as the large age gap made me clueless. Going through the channels I spotted two radio controlled cars listened for five minutes and bought them. Not watched it since as there has been no need to.
nwbrfc
31-05-2007
Originally Posted by williams96:
“Can I ask why you assume to buy something from the TV you have to be watching it for ages? You can just flicker through the channels and spot something you want and impulse buy. I remember not having a clue about what to buy my two younger brothers for Christmas as the large age gap made me clueless. Going through the channels I spotted two radio controlled cars listened for five minutes and bought them. Not watched it since as there has been no need to.”

Imagine the odds of that happening for you and then imagine the tv producers building a business case based on those odds. It wouldn't stack up. Your experience is a one off, a minority event. The success of the tv programme depends not on you and others like you, but on those people that Katie identified. People who watch it avidly and basically buy crap. Probably the same people who get hooked on buying off ebay.
williams96
31-05-2007
Originally Posted by nwbrfc:
“Imagine the odds of that happening for you and then imagine the tv producers building a business case based on those odds. It wouldn't stack up. Your experience is a one off, a minority event. The success of the tv programme depends not on you and others like you, but on those people that Katie identified. People who watch it avidly and basically buy crap. Probably the same people who get hooked on buying off ebay.”

I very much doubt it is a one off event as when I bought said cars I wasn't the only 'new user' listed on the screen, in fact there were at least half that were new users if not more. There will always be a percentage of people who get addicted to things, but to make assumptions like Katie has done is pretty ignorant. That stereotype wouldn't have enough hours in the day to watch BB as well.

I just searched for the channel I bought off and they do indeed list items and when they will be sold, as well as appearing in searches, so nobody has to watch hours on end to find something they like. They simply search it and know the time or chance upon the website when they are searching for a particular item. Some of the sales SAS reported should be a normal level will actually come from people online that haven't actually even switched their TV on. (If they were mainly reliant on people spending hours watching the tv they would have little need for such a developed website)

Sorry to spoil the stereotype.
vidalia
31-05-2007
Originally Posted by nwbrfc:
“ Probably the same people who get hooked on buying off ebay.”

Oh dear, oh dear.
nwbrfc
31-05-2007
Originally Posted by bevheth:
“Oh dear, oh dear.”

what?
Lorri Lou
31-05-2007
Originally Posted by aquaplex:
“Anyone who watched this in the first year will probably agree that without doubt, this episode had echoes of the 'Miriam incident'.

Yeah Naomi didnt choose great products, but neither did Simon. The comment by Vanessa Feltz on the wheelchair rang true. Naomi (with little help from Tre and apparantly no direction from Simon) sold the products, Simon didn't (even though he had producers behind him).

Naomi did get over the wheelchair, as shown when she was in the car on the way there.

On the last TV task, Sir Alan fired Miriam as he favoured Paul, only to ditch him on the interview stage the next week (which isnt even a task). Here again, the week before the interview stage, he chooses to keep te people he likes, even though (I have a feeling that he knows that Simon and Tre will fail the interview stage).

Yes Noami, like Miriam made errors, but nothing compared to the others. I think possibly the big failing was that she had only been PM once (a losing one infact) at an early stage, and had not undertaken it a second time.

On a side note, Im glad they changed the rules compared to last time in which those who presented (who ended up being the PMs) had no control over the product selection... which as we all know was what Miriam was fired over, even though the rules prevented her from taking a part in it!

Kristina and Lohit (or possibly Simon) through to the final- I think Tre and Katie will egt wiped out next week when it comes down to business skills and ability rather than TV viewing.”


Exactly what I was thinking. I recall Miriam was a real contender in the first series, performed the best out of her team on the selling task but because her face didnt fit SAS just invented a reason to get shot of her and keep Paul and Tim in.

Although Naomi hasnt been the strongest contender in the series so far she was the strongest in her team last night, Simon failed on EVERY level, terrible salesman, zero direction to his team, just came across as a total buffoon but because for whatever reason SAS favours him all his failures were put down to lack of support from his team!!!

Teflon man sails through to the semi, hope those interviewers make mincemeat of clown boy and snake woman.
Rachale
31-05-2007
I watched the first four or five episodes but havent had time to watch the rest, however i know who has been fired. However i cannot remember who miriam was!

is that a nickname for a contestant, or have i completly forgot someone?
Sammy2
31-05-2007
Originally Posted by Rachale:
“I watched the first four or five episodes but havent had time to watch the rest, however i know who has been fired. However i cannot remember who miriam was!

is that a nickname for a contestant, or have i completly forgot someone?”

Miriam was a contestant from Series 1 who controversially got fired after a very good performance in the Live TV selling task.
Tall Hat
31-05-2007
Why did Nick not say anything about Simon in the board room? He was completely horrified watching him in action. He should have been fired like a human cannonball!
vidalia
31-05-2007
Nick wanted to say something but unfortunately had been struck temporarily dumb by witnessing such ineptitude at close quarters. I believe he was unable to even make hand signals for several days.
lozza73
31-05-2007
What a fix! What a leading question to ask! They have stated that SAS's firings are often re-filmed and this was obviously one of those occasions. He offered Simon a very leading question..."do you think you were let down in the product selection?"...em who isn't going to say yes, when they are facing the fear of being fired?! It is obvious that Simon was primed for the response that we saw on the tv. I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't have at least a couple of attempt to perfect his response either. I thought the result was shocking and if I had been Naomi I would have clumped SAS! :O(
washboard
31-05-2007
Originally Posted by ah83:
“Maybe Sir Alan is worried about another Apprentice getting pregnant and sees Tre and Simon as the people this is least likely to happen to.”

You have concerns about Lohit getting pregnant?

washboard
31-05-2007
Originally Posted by Little Ali:
“Sir Alan did actually point out that he wasn't bothered about the presenting/directing part of the task - it was product selection he was basing his criticisms on.

Simon picked the wheelchair - dodgy choice but his reasoning as he put it in the boardroom had some sense to it. It did sell too, and two sales made up half their total.

Naomi picked the decoupage squares - although she had good reasoning (they were apparently quite hard to get hold of in that size) she did not consider that it would be Simon selling them, and should have at least thought about whether he even knew what they were.

Tre was pretty much invisible, except for his comments on the trampoline (again picked by Naomi) which were spot on - they're not the "hot item" they once were in the world of keep-fit.


On the basis of that task only, Simon should easily have gone (and he obviously thought so himself, he'd given up until SAS picked on the other two for product selection) but overall Naomi was just as bad if you discount the presenting.

Going by previous tasks, I would probably have fired Naomi too - let's face it, nobody came out of this one looking remotely good, not even the winners!”

Problem is, there are two parts to the equation of 'making money' here: product selection, and selling the products.

Naomi (more so that Tre) sold the products. She sold two wheelchairs, when no one believed that it could be done. £400 worth of the total amount made by the team. Simon sold a small amount of decoupage pads - I can't remember how much, but it was around £50-60 (wasn't it? ). Simon sold no trampolines. The rest of the £900+ must have come from sales of the depilator. Sold by Naomi. With apparently very little help/direction/producing from Simon.

Naomi sold effectively on TV. She wasn't 'TV presenting. She was 'selling'.

Which, I thought, was one of the skills Sir Alan was looking for.

I also feel that it's unfair to criticise Naomi's product choices, given that they were 'sold' so badly by Simon. How can you be sure that the problmes lies with the 'product' rather than with the 'selling'?

None of this was covered in 'the boardroom', as seen on TV. Was Naomi not given the chance to make points along those lines? Or was she given the chance, but missed them? (The editing of the boardroom scene looked, IMO, as if they hadn't given her the chance).
Socha
31-05-2007
Originally Posted by washboard:
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Problem is, there are two parts to the equation of 'making money' here: product selection, and selling the products.

Naomi (more so that Tre) sold the products. She sold two wheelchairs, when no one believed that it could be done. £400 worth of the total amount made by the team. Simon sold a small amount of decoupage pads - I can't remember how much, but it was around £50-60 (wasn't it? ). Simon sold no trampolines. The rest of the £900+ must have come from sales of the depilator. Sold by Naomi. With apparently very little help/direction/producing from Simon.

Naomi sold effectively on TV. She wasn't 'TV presenting. She was 'selling'.

Which, I thought, was one of the skills Sir Alan was looking for.

I also feel that it's unfair to criticise Naomi's product choices, given that they were 'sold' so badly by Simon. How can you be sure that the problmes lies with the 'product' rather than with the 'selling'?

None of this was covered in 'the boardroom', as seen on TV. Was Naomi not given the chance to make points along those lines? Or was she given the chance, but missed them? (The editing of the boardroom scene looked, IMO, as if they hadn't given her the chance).”


I certainly feel Naomi didn't go because she was the worst of the three. I feel Naomi went for the same reason Miriam went in S1. Sir Alan did not want to let go of the boys as yet.
lozza73
31-05-2007
SAS has clearly chosen his winner already..Simon. He's let him off the hook on too many occasions .. he probably has more in common with Simon than he's letting on...despite the Oxbridge education...it'll all come out in the wash.
Cami_27
01-06-2007
Originally Posted by lozza73:
“SAS has clearly chosen his winner already..Simon. He's let him off the hook on too many occasions .. he probably has more in common with Simon than he's letting on...despite the Oxbridge education...it'll all come out in the wash.”

Hang on a minute... it was Simon's first time in the boardroom, so SAS has only 'let him off the hook' once. All the other weeks, he has either been on the winning team, or not taken into the boardroom by the TC. And the only time that has not been justified was with Tre on the selling to trade task.
aquaplex
01-06-2007
The boardroom was heavily edited this week, not much was shown being said from Naomi and instead we get filler material in SAS sending them out then back in again.

Last time, SAS admitted he made a mistake with Miriam, maybe he will do the same here....
oulandy
01-06-2007
Originally Posted by Socha:
“I certainly feel Naomi didn't go because she was the worst of the three. I feel Naomi went for the same reason Miriam went in S1. Sir Alan did not want to let go of the boys as yet.”

That's it exactly.
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