He didn't blend when he sustained the big note in Bridge Over Troubled Water far longer than Chris C.

you clearly have not read my post correctly - my points have been explained in them, it is not my problem if you cannot understand .I never said i couldn't hear any difference, my point is that the sing offs are not a substantial solo performance like their solos are, and every ballad he has done as a solo performance has been terrible.

The road is long
With many a winding turn
That leads us to who knows where
Who knows when
But I'm strong
Strong enough to carry him
He ain't heavy, he's my brother

So on we go
His welfare is of my concern
No burden is he to bear
We'll get there
For I know
He would not encumber me
He ain't heavy, he's my brother

If I'm laden at all
I'm laden with sadness
That everyone's heart
Isn't filled with the gladness
Of love for one another

And the load
Doesn't weigh me down at all
He ain't heavy, he's my brother

He's my brother
He ain't heavy, he's my brother...

(looks about 3/4 to me)

And they don't do the same amount in every sing off, the Ben/Seamus one was under 2 half minutes, the Lewis/Daniel one was well over 3.

your points being that he can blend well with the others and you cant tell who is singing when more than one are singing at once!!

do you want a shovel? :yawn:

you seem to not understand at all - i am saying that 1 note, and the sing offs are not enough for me to prove anything. if he can sing ballads, why has every solo performance of a ballad been painfully bad. once he sings(or should i say if) a ballad as his solo performance on the show, and doesn't mess it up and sound like a woulded animal the great, there will be proof ben can sing ballads.

same ammount doesn't mean same time! songs have different timings you know. and why don't you watch a sing off, then a solo performance, and see which is the longest supposedly professional standard performance. or, maybe you are right, and ben can clearly only sing well when his neck is on the line in the sing off - becuase he certainly can't any other time he attempts a ballad.

I think we going over old ground here.....Crying is one of the hardest songs ever to sing . This is Joseph, we are not looking for the next Michael Bubla (spelling?) ALW said in blog he doubted if any of the past Josephs could sing this song but hey as Ben said ALW doesn't know what he is talking about!!

The Lord has more knowledge on talent in his little finger than your whole body and I think if he thought he was rubbish he would have got rid of him by now - he has only had three opportuinities!!!

But I do love sparring with you because you are very determined (bit like Ben actually which people like you see as arrogant) Of course I am not for one minute suggesting....................

I am terribly sorry you can't understand a simple conversation, maybe someone can explain it to you, or read it correctly to you. i simply cannot be bothered with explaining to people like yourself. sorry.

lol explaining what?? you talk yourself round in circles and contradict yourself all the time i'm suprised you think anyone can follow you.

I do think Ben sang quite well in that sing-off (without wanting to get involved in arguments about how much of each song they sing!), but I agree with you as well cleo, in that a solo performance is different. And until I hear Ben sing a slow song for a solo and do it convincingly, I won't have confidence in him to do this role.

All By Myself was 1:57, if that's relevant, I'm not really sure what you were saying...?

And obviously it's going to be easier for him to perform an emotional song when he's feeling emotional.

Changing the subject a little, but do you think Lee's bad at rock songs because All Right Now was just a bit of a shouty mess and he's only ever sung rocky things nicely when they've been in a group?

Not like ALW hasn't made mistakes! and maybe ben is talented, and when he sings a ballad as his performance and doesn't murder it i will happily say you were right. I don't "hate" ben, i just think he should have gone home weeks ago if he cannot sing a ballad well. Crying isn't the only one he has messed up, and if ALW knew it would be too hard for ben,then why give it to him, only reason would be to set him up for a fall. unless ALW expected ben to do it well, hoping he would prove he could sing well, but he didn't.

Well - good question, Lee was ill with a bad throat then, so it may have been that, and paint it black is a bit rocky. but, i would like Lee to do another proper rock song, to prove he can do it, to date he hhas only done one. Ben has done 2 solo ballads, and they have both been terrible. I would like ben to get a ballad this week, as maybe its simply that ALW has given him the wrong songs, and maybe it'll be third time lucky and he'll do it well. but, i think if he can do a ballad well, he should prove it. plus, the judges have said themselves that joseph sings ballads, which is why it is something that makes me think ben shouldn't still be there.

No but he did prove he could act the pants off everyone and am sure they saved him becaus eof thet. You probably couldn't bear to look at the perfomance because of the sound but boy did he act
.

Oh and the other one he messed up *all by myself* wasn''t that the same night Daniel (best singer in comp) was as flat as a pancake as he mentioned in his exit interview

But hey as Ben fan I am biased so just ignore me - you usually do

And Ben had tonsillitis the night he put in a stonking performance of blue suede shoes

Sorry to keep going on about it, but I know you probably won't answer my post again anyway... but I really don't think it's fair to compare Daniel's performance with Ben's that night - there's a big difference between a few dodgy notes and the whole thing being wildly out of tune.

You see - i thought his acting was terrible in crying - really bad. I did watch the acting, in some hope that would be ok, but it wasn't. he has acted well in his upbeat songs though, so clearly he can, just not in ballads(so far). I will admit that i thought it was a bit wrong of ALW to say after crying that it was a hard song etc, as, if thats the case and its such a hard song, why the hell did he give it to ben, why not give him a ballad that suited him. oh and i don't think daniel was the best singer - one of three in my opinion, all great, just in different ways vocally.

wasn't mentioned on the show.

I agree the two performances were worlds appart.

yes it was

when and at what point? i will watch it back, i must have missed it.

Yeah, I'd like to see Lee try something rockier again, because he was alright in You Really Got Me.

I do see where you're coming from re: Ben and ballads, I just think it may well have been bad song choices that have let him down, because I honestly thought the first bit of Crying was done well. I'd want to see him doing another ballad badly before I'd be convinced he couldn't do them, because I do think He Ain't Heavy He's My Brother and Bridge Over Troubled Water were good, and I don't see why he'd not be able to apply that skill in a solo situation.

one of the judges in their comments said he had been ill all week with tonsilitis

Actually it wasn't, the whole of it was and even Daniel admitted. To be honest i wouldn't have noticed but was watching with my mum who is a piano teacher. But you right it was still better than Ben's. i think though there is accoustic problems in that studio and all the boys have complained that the band are too loud

DVO mentioned after the seducing mission was shown.