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Great news music fans!
Rock/indie music has over taken pop music as the UK and europe highest selling music genre!
Very poor sales have been recoreded for pop lately ! Looks like all this Pop idol/ stars crap has not been such a help to the pop industry as first thought!Take a look bellow ***yeh*** |
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I read this as well. The signs have been there, as I said in another thread yesterday.
Even my 12 year old neice and her friends are well into rock these days....that demograph is usually the preserve of pop and boybands.! |
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Hasn't it occurred to you that the reason the kids are suddenly into rock music is because it's being cynically marketed to them in the same way pop is?
Busted. Avril Lavigne. Limp Bizkit. Blink 182. Hell, even Slipknot are being pimped to the 10-16 demographic as the new 'cool' music style. Not that i'm complaining - it's great for the kids to be exposed to different genres of music - but it's not because they're developing some 'appreciation' of music. It's because they are told it's cool and once they accept that and buy into the rock scene, they are told the pop is 'uncool' and so we get what we have here in the forums - loads of kids barely out of short trousers talking about how crap and manufactured pop music is while singularly failing to realise that they're just the same as every kid who ever bought a record - they're filling the pockets of the labels in droves. Of course it helps that the new generation of rock bands getting monster pushes from the labels all look like boybands with guitars...hence why the teenage girls can get all dreamy over Linkin Park just like they could over NSync. Hell, walk around any town in Britain and you see 9 and 10 year old lads in Slipknot and Korn hoodies...it's because they are the new cool. When i was 13 or 14, girls who liked rock music were generally either mentally unstable or deeply, deeply unnattractive. Now you get total hotties doing the goth chick thing instead of the tight tops and short skirts that i was used to. It's called viral marketing, and it's worked on a massive scale. |
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Hasn't it occurred to you that the reason the kids are suddenly into rock music is because it's being cynically marketed to them in the same way pop is?
Exactly what i think too.
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99% of music is 'cynically' marketed these days.
Poor kids, they get critisised for buying boyband stuff and suchlike, because its 'not proper music', then they discover 'proper' music and still get critisised. I really disgaree with the assumption that these kids only buy stuff 'cos its cool'. when I was a lad , years ago, I'd get the same critisism when I bought my led zeppelin etc albums. Id be told 'you only like it cos its the fashion'. Rubbish I liked it cos I liked it!. I loved the music of that era, not because I was 'told' to like it, but because it gave me great pleasure to listen to it. I really dislike this assumption that kids dont know what music they like. They KNOW exactly what music they like or dont like and say so, in no uncertain terms. |
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Originally posted by metafis But precisely what they *don't* have is a mature appreciation of music. 99% of music is 'cynically' marketed these days. Poor kids, they get critisised for buying boyband stuff and suchlike, because its 'not proper music', then they discover 'proper' music and still get critisised. I really dislike this assumption that kids dont know what music they like. They KNOW exactly what music they like or dont like and say so, in no uncertain terms. There is literally no telling whether a 10 year old who likes rock music (and like you say, they will wax lyrical about how amazing their music is and decry other genres ferociously) will like rock music as an adult. Conversely, I can state with reasonable certainty that i will still like rock music (both classic and current) in ten, twenty, fifty years time. Likewise, i would be desperately surprised if, in that time, i develop a taste for happy hardcore or industrial techno. If i think back to my favourite bands as a child, i was a) heavily influenced by what my friends listened to, b) actually loved the music for the music's sake rather than because i thought it made me cool, c) switched genres without a second thought and d) generally laughed that i ever liked Band A after i had found Band B. Madness, Adam And The Ants, Ultravox, The Toy Dolls, Falco, Prince, NWA, Guns'N'Roses, Neneh Cherry, The Happy Mondays...then ragga and then The Kinks before i finally embraced indie as my first real 'adult' appreciation of music . I must have lost a LOT of my treasured tapes simply because i thought my 'old' music was rubbish and was embarrassed to have ever thought it was worth listening to. Now of course i can look back and love all that music as an adult (although none of the abovementioned go on my favourite bands list). Kids don't have that ability because they can't mentally process music in the way we do as adults. Notwithstanding all that, i would say it's fairly self-evident that the proliferation of rock culture into the previously pop-dominated demographics of the 9-16 age groups is due to a massively increased marketing effort on the part of the labels - and it has been achieved by making positive, cool rock role models who kids can aspire to while still being popular and without the stigma attached to liking rock music in the past - when Avril Lavigne or Fred Durst dress in cool clothes and look as beautiful as they do, then it's a lot easier to profess your love for their music and aspire to them then it was when you had the fashion and attitude abominations of Kurt Cobain or Robert Smith or Morrissey or Slash or Johnny Rotten. You can embrace the rock scene without becoming non-conformist. Some might say that dilutes the genre, that 'our' music is being stolen from us, the best bits strip mined from it and then put out in a mass-produced, manufactured form. I say it brings 'our' music to a whole new audience, some of whom will stick with it until the next trend comes along, but some of whom will explore the rich musical history and discover some of the music that has enriched our lives before now. I'm not criticising the kids, because I don't see any inherent value in 'real' music over pop music. If music provokes the same feelings for them that it does for me, then *that* makes them a true music fan...and i sincerely hope that everyone experiences that, because it's why music is written. Those who are criticising them are generally those who are pissed off that their label of individuality, their precious ability to show off their music credentials over the 'sheep' who buy pop music is being taken away from them. Suckers. |
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Originally posted by metafis Yes even Kylie and Madonna are marketed!99% of music is 'cynically' marketed these days. Poor kids, they get critisised for buying boyband stuff and suchlike, because its 'not proper music', then they discover 'proper' music and still get critisised. I really disgaree with the assumption that these kids only buy stuff 'cos its cool'. when I was a lad , years ago, I'd get the same critisism when I bought my led zeppelin etc albums. Id be told 'you only like it cos its the fashion'. Rubbish I liked it cos I liked it!. I loved the music of that era, not because I was 'told' to like it, but because it gave me great pleasure to listen to it. I really dislike this assumption that kids dont know what music they like. They KNOW exactly what music they like or dont like and say so, in no uncertain terms. But i still love them lol
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I feel sorry for these youger kids 10-15 because they are getting brainwashed by all this shit like avril lavinge and limp bizkit which is just awful music. I was lucky when i was 12 i got oasis and blur and managed to ignore the spice girls.
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Originally posted by TOML Well its better then getting them brainwashed by the likes of S-Club juniors.I feel sorry for these youger kids 10-15 because they are getting brainwashed by all this shit like avril lavinge and limp bizkit which is just awful music. I was lucky when i was 12 i got oasis and blur and managed to ignore the spice girls. That will a disaster |
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Originally posted by TOML COMPLETELY subjective with precisely NO grounding in fact. How in the blue HELL can you take two massive, hyped artists of 2003 and two massive, hyped artists of 1995 and make an arbitrary judgement that one is glorious and one is abysmal?I feel sorry for these youger kids 10-15 because they are getting brainwashed by all this shit like avril lavinge and limp bizkit which is just awful music. I was lucky when i was 12 i got oasis and blur and managed to ignore the spice girls. If you're talking brainwashing, then i think the Britpop years have done a fine job on you. Precisely the sort of post i despise because however interesting the opinion of the poster, they come across as uneducated, irrational and dogmatic. *sighs* *hopes one day EVERYONE loves music for what it is, rather than always having to bash something* |
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Originally posted by FastEddie COMPLETELY subjective with precisely NO grounding in fact. How in the blue HELL can you take two massive, hyped artists of 2003 and two massive, hyped artists of 1995 and make an arbitrary judgement that one is glorious and one is abysmal? If you're talking brainwashing, then i think the Britpop years have done a fine job on you. Precisely the sort of post i despise because however interesting the opinion of the poster, they come across as uneducated, irrational and dogmatic. *sighs* *hopes one day EVERYONE loves music for what it is, rather than always having to bash something* Face britpop is much better than these limp bizkits and linkin parks which there getting least i got some decent sounding music which gave me something to look foward to not just lame rap-metal. |
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Originally posted by TOML Look everyone whos mature likes different taste of music! I like Linkin park! But thats my taste!Face britpop is much better than these limp bizkits and linkin parks which there getting least i got some decent sounding music which gave me something to look foward to not just lame rap-metal. I suppose the same could be said about the s-club juniors, but their are just awfull beyond anything. |
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Originally posted by TOML Maybe they actually like that music. Is that such a crime?
I feel sorry for these youger kids 10-15 because they are getting brainwashed by all this shit like avril lavinge and limp bizkit which is just awful music. I was lucky when i was 12 i got oasis and blur and managed to ignore the spice girls. |
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I was lucky when i was 12 i got oasis and blur and managed to ignore the spice girls
i was lucky during the britpop yearsduring this time i was enjoying koRn, the deftones and yes even limp bizkit i was very fond of (so called) nu-metal, when it was indeed "nu" i listened to life is peachy the other day (that would be koRns second album, circa 96) and yep still a great album (imo) which had my head nodding throughout just a shame none of these sheep in koRn hoodies have probably ever listened to one of their albums "freak, punk-ass sissy, im a freak " |
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! Looks like all this Pop idol/ stars crap has not been such a help to the pop industry as first thought!