Given that Katie never even attended a fee paying school as a child, and that her parents are decidedly working class from very modest origins, Katie could hardly be described as "posh".

From what I can tell she acquired a certain affected way of acting and speaking whilst at Sandhurst a few years ago and seems to have carried on with the charade.

Katie - not genuinely posh, simply a very good working class actor.

She's a snob

I'm not particularly surprised by this. Many people from working class origins who do a little bit well for themselves can turn into snobs and forget where they actually came from. Similar to Katie my Mum knows somebody that puts on all airs and graces but it turned out this person is a complete man-eating slag who'd screwed her best friend's bloke.

Where is it reported that Katie's parents are "decidedly working class"? What an ignorant post. Some areas of Great Britain are so privileged that one doesn't need to attend a public school in order to be ranked "middle" or "upper class". Where is it also reported that only working class women can be deemed "slappers"? I think you'll find they exist in every class from upper to lower!! I think some DSFMs need to go back to school to learn exactly how the British class system operates.

No, this is an extremely insightful post from someone who doesn't read (or need) the News of the World to teach me how to view life. I know very well how the class system works thanks Love, and I would describe her parents as "decidedly working class" or "upper working class" at best.

She is nothing more than a charlatan.

Forgive me, in order to be so "insightful" you must know Katie's parents personally! And really, dear Sir, you must be very upper class if you even dare refer to fellow FMs as "Love"!! You know, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!..

I mentioned the News of the World because many people on these forums like to refer to this type of newspaper as "the media", from which they take their views, and precisely that I do not.

I don't normally use the extremely working class "love" when referring to women, but then again, I'm not always being ironic.

It's interesting how you've totally misinterpreted two blatant ironies in my previous post, and have mistakenly come up with an incorrect conclusion about my social standing and heritage.

And you sir about mine! I do not read NOTW or any other tabloid, have never stated that I am a woman and I never once stood up for Katie. My views on her are my own. BUT, I object to people making broad brush, bigoted statements based on 2mins of footage on someone's parents, concluding that that because someone hasn't attended public school they are "decidedly working class". As stated, perhaps you need to go back to school and learn about the class system here in Britain!

I would also suggest that if you don't wish to be confused, then you had better ensure your posts state what you mean. Forgive me, but from the small-minded assumptions made in your last post, I concluded that you must be a bigoted snob yourself!!

I know full well how the class system works, and if you did too, then you wouldn't accuse me of bigotry.

I think that you have, in fact, missed the whole point of my thread, which is that she is trying to act in such a way as she would quite happily lead people to believe that her upbringing and background is more elevated than it actually is.

George Bernard Shaw's Pygmalion sums her up appropriately, with one slight exception, because with Katie, she has carried out the transformation attempt all by herself.

I'm sure everyone is familiar with the story, more colloquially known as "My Fair Lady". If you really think this applies to Katie, I think you're mistaken. I don't think she is "posh" and I don't think she has ever said she was or has been trying to lead people to think of her as "posh". If you have taken exception to her "poshness" then again I think that reflects more on you than her. Be careful what you opine, as you could in fact be guilty of what you judge others of...Regardless, you will be judged by others, it is human nature.

Did she ever claim to be posh?

Some people seem to assume she disliked Adam because she was posh and he wasn't. However, she likes Tre, and I wouldn't say Tre was posh. She just has personal likes and dislikes like everyone does.

A colloquialism is, in fact, a commonly spoken word or phrase which is used in place of the "normal" word.

My Fair Lady, isn't a colloquialism for Pygmalion. It was, in fact the name given to a stage adapation of Bernard Shaw's original play. Therefore, I refer to Pygmalion because it is the original source. Even if I decided to refer to "My Fair Lady" this would not be a colloquialism. I suggest that you check the meaning of the word "colloquialism", and you'll see that I'm correct. So much for suggesting that I go back to school .

I used to work with someone like Katie who occasionally "slipped" in the way that she spoke to reveal her true colours. There was one chap who was decidedly working class, who mistakenly thought that she was, in fact, genuinely "posh" (again a word that I use ironically), because he was too thick to be able to differentiate between the genuine article and a fake.

I think that she was particularly vitriolic towards Adam because he was unashamedly working class (and good on him for genuinely being himself), and represented everything that she is desperately trying to escape (and distance) herself from, and not because she is "posh" and he isn't. They are both working class, but she wants people to think that she's upper class, and this manifested itself in her trying to distance herself from everything that Adam represents by being overly unpleasant towards him.

You really do have some issues don't you (?) and it is taking you quite some time to look up every word I use and respond to them. Face it, you are on a losing battle with your argument that Katie is a "snob" not because she isn't but because you have shown yourself to be just as biggoted, if not more, in making very sweeping assumptions made on 2mins of a tv programme and in being quite un-pc and acidic in your responses to me. I really do think it is time to do something else now..if you cannot (and I suspect that you won't be able to drag yourself away from this thread), I will. Tata!

That's such a ridiculous comment as to be hardly worth responding to. Particularly when you start sentences yourself with the word "but". I have an extensive vocabularly, and regularly use words throughout the day which many people "go and look up the meaning for".


I've accused her of "hamming it up" and also of "laying it on a bit thickly", but not of being a snob. I haven't used the word snob in any of my posts in this thread.





Well that's fine with me. No-one (least of all me) was forcing you to post here, but thanks for your input nevertheless. I think that you'll find that most posts here are fairly inconsequential, and aren't worth getting too worked up about. Cheerio.

I think it started on the third task, when Katie and Paul were trying to put together the evening "£200 business" and had some kind of mutual appreciation thing going on, and thinking they were doing great, and Adam was playing gooseberry and poo-pooing all their ideas and work. Nothing to do with their backgrounds at all. It was re-enforced by Adam's poor performances on three of the next 4 tasks, and finally confirmed when he twice brought her private life into the boardroom. There's plenty of stuff to justify her dislike of him without bringing class into it. Like I said, she hasn't distanced herself from other working class candidates.

Was she actually unpleasant to Adam? As I recall, she criticised him to camera but was pleasant face to face. It's interesting to compare with Katie's attitude to Kristina. She thinks Kristina is without honour for the way in which she tried to get Paul fired, but she still respects her and was able to work with her on many tasks. She never respected Adam the same way.

I don't see any sign that she wants to be seen as upper-class. That sounds like something you invented to explain her dislike of Adam, rather than something she's said or done herself.

Apart from the accent, the way of dressing, and the mannersims that she's appropriated.

Aren't Tre, and Natalie for that matter, unashamedly working class?

She got along very well with both of them, so I'm not sure the amateur psychology lesson was very appropriate in this instance.

She dresses like she thinks a business woman would. it would be odd if she turned up for work looking like Hilda Ogden or Tracey from Big Brother 8. Mannerisms and accent are learnt from experience. They were probably there before - she spent three years at least at a good university - but it would be a pretty odd person who came out of Sandhurst not conforming to the norm. You won't find many army officers speaking Cockney or Brummie or pre-gentrification Gorbalese.

Occams razor would suggest going for the obvious explanation first. In Adam's case the most obvious reason for her concluding that he was hopeless and hopelessly out of his depth is the fact that he was blatantly hopeless and hopelessly out of his depth and her team was suffering because of it.

Its possible to think her descriptions of some of her competitors are a touch cruel but most of them also happen to be pretty accurate. When she tells us what she thinks of Tre or Lohit its perfectly clear she's not bothered by class, colour, or creed but just doing a pretty good job working out who the credible opposition is and who has what qualities.

She certainly isn't well-bred. Truly 'well-bred' people don't resort to playground comments about others because they feel threatened by them. In fact they just don't feel threatened by others.

It was probably her comment wishing that Adam woud disappear back to his chums up north that started it off - not blatantly classist but definitely a light whiff of 'them' up north and 'us' down south about it. Of course you can be southern and as working class as it comes and still make the same comment but somehow coming from Katie, she managed to make it sound particularly snobby. Wishing him run over by one of the cars he sold didn't help either.

Firstly, I was mainly referring to her casual dress style which is a bit sloaney wannabe, rather than business attire which is often a leveller (unless it's done really badly).

Secondly, people don't learn an accent at university, and if they adopt one whilst at university, then it isn't their "real" accent. A bit like having elocution lessons perhaps (and this may well even be the case with Katie).

Thirdly, I wasn't disputing that she may have acquired these at Sandhurst, and in fact had been making exactly the point myself.

None of what you've posted suggests that she is anything other than the charlatan that she is, purporting to be upper class.

You've missed the obvious in that I wasn't suggesting that this was the only reason that she was being particularly unpleasant towards Adam.

She may harbour similar views about the others (Tre for instance), but just doesn't have the opportunity to express them because he is a stronger candidate than Adam.

Firstly, accents are socially conditioned. That's what an accent is, and why we all have one. Therefore, being surrounded by people who speak in a certain way is likely to reflect on the way that you speak, especially if your quite young and impressionable.

If you were to move to Australia, for example, it's likely you'd pick up an Australian twang. Likewise, if Katie went to a posh school or university, then she would likely pick up the accent of her peers.

Secondly, you have no idea what Katie spoke like to begin with, so any speculation of this kind is a bit pointless.

Thirdly, if her accent really was faked I think we'd have seen her slip up by now.