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I LOVE that bra woman for giving it to Katie !
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mmck
07-06-2007
Originally Posted by Tc7:
“She critisised Katie for being bitchy, yet she was bitchy towards her from the begining.
I think the bra woman was a little nasty and not too smart in her put downs.
Maybe Katie slept with her husband!

Katie is pretty lothsome but did laugh a lot and like Trey, her tongue was in her cheek!

Tc”

How was she bitchy? She was honest and spoke directly to her face, something Katie needs to learn
beamsley
07-06-2007
Originally Posted by hannahb39:
“I see what you are saying. I just disliked Katie so much during the show and think it was cheap that she walked away- almost her saying "Well I could have won so now I'll step down and the other two should thank me for this opportunity I have given them"

Therefore I'm glad MM said what she did -even if it did go below the belt- I just felt Katie deserved to hear a few home truths. IMO.”

totally agree with you. i also think the fact that katie has flirted her way through the programme makes her seem very insecure about her own abilities as a business woman.
jodenice
07-06-2007
Originally Posted by mmck:
“How was she bitchy? She was honest and spoke directly to her face, something Katie needs to learn ”

I think for me, that was the main point. Michelle whatshername did at least have the courage to make her points to her face, rather than waiting for her to leave and then slagging her off to a cameraman.
mickeybloke
07-06-2007
Thought the bra lady was a right cupid stunt with her fake orange tan and "I wouldnt give you a job" attitude

I dont think Katie was asking - loved the remarks she gave back though.

Id hire her anyday
upnunder
07-06-2007
Is the show repeated at any point?

My wife made me watch Big Brother and I missed it.

I saw the Main show, but missed the "you're fired" show.
kit123
07-06-2007
it was great television!
Vite.dfeemtoon
07-06-2007
Eurgh, that Michelle was more of a stuck up c*w than Katie ever was.

Revolting woman and took it way beyond its sell-by date. I hope she watches herself and realises what a nasty performance she made of herself in the show.

Katie, while no doubt deserving of some the criticism (and no doubt subject to some not-very-fair editing) took it all on the chin and came out the best in that scrap.

Michelle, you're a disgrace to your gender.
*Eileen*
07-06-2007
Thought Katie got everything she deserved - obvioulsy some things are editted in the show but no one could be portrayed as thoroughly awful as she was for it not to be true. Michelle was only saying what most people had been saying all series - good for her.
gossipfan
07-06-2007
Originally Posted by *Eileen*:
“Thought Katie got everything she deserved - obvioulsy some things are editted in the show but no one could be portrayed as thoroughly awful as she was for it not to be true. Michelle was only saying what most people had been saying all series - good for her.”

The point that the Katie sympathisers seem to be missing is that Katie is bitchy to and about other people because she's a nasty person and LIKES being horrible to other people. The reason people are being bitchy about HER is because she's a nasty person. A couple of sayings spring to mind... Do unto others.... and... Live by the sword.
Tc7
07-06-2007
Originally Posted by mmck:
“How was she bitchy? She was honest and spoke directly to her face, something Katie needs to learn ”

Oh come on, 'the bra woman' was playing to the audience. Every time she said something she turned around for applause!

Im just saying, I wouldnt employ either woman!

Tc
Balti
07-06-2007
It was great TV and I was looking forward to Katie being taken down a peg or two - and even thought that MM could be the woman to do it. However...... MM did herself no favours whatsoever. She really lowered herself with the "that's why I'm sitting here & you're sitting there" comment.
It made me think that perhaps she's all brass neck & no brains - just like Katie, but in a different way.
Both of them are the sort of women I would cross the road to avoid. When I said road, I meant motorway....
Tc7
07-06-2007
Originally Posted by Balti:
“It was great TV and I was looking forward to Katie being taken down a peg or two - and even thought that MM could be the woman to do it. However...... MM did herself no favours whatsoever. She really lowered herself with the "that's why I'm sitting here & you're sitting there" comment.
It made me think that perhaps she's all brass neck & no brains - just like Katie, but in a different way.
Both of them are the sort of women I would cross the road to avoid. When I said road, I meant motorway....”

Yer Balti
That was my point. She sort of lowered herself to Katie's level.
The "that's why I'm sitting here & you're sitting there" comment was silly! katie was sitting there because she had just taken part in a programme called 'The Apprentice'!
It was almost like, 'well, I earn considerably more money than you, ner ner ner ner ner'!

Tc
JamieBarry
07-06-2007
Scottish bra women was an embarassment.

Clearly itcing for a fight and hoping to get audience applause for every rude comment she fired at Katie.

Claiming Katie had not 'made it'. 90k a year is a great salary, we can't all be millionaires flogging bras. She was far too snobby.

I'm not a huge Katie fan but there is no need for insults like that we all know what Katie is capable off, but now the bra women has done nothing but prove she is every bit as rude if not more.
platelet
07-06-2007
Originally Posted by mmck:
“How was she bitchy? She was honest and spoke directly to her face, something Katie needs to learn ”

She ambushed her and attacked her with a tremedious amount of vitriol as if Katie had done her some personal harm.

She had had all the time in the world to prepare to make Katie look small, Katie had no clue who she was. She struck me as a cross between someone seaking a bit of free publicity, and one of the nutters that hang out in the BB forum swearing that Ashleyne must die.

The irony of her critisising Katie's attitude to others seemed completely lost on her.

She must Die!
yaruar
07-06-2007
Originally Posted by JamieBarry:
“Claiming Katie had not 'made it'. 90k a year is a great salary, we can't all be millionaires flogging bras. She was far too snobby.”

Yeah, but would you stoop to the level of seducing the boss to get that salary and then dump him like a hot potato when you have want you want (including a moneypot father to your children...)

katie really does take businesswomen back 30 years, she wasn't particually good at the tasks, was in fantasy land about her abilities and her intellect (look at how she was in the art task....) and was a complete snob, without the abilities to back it up. She hoodwinked all the men by flirting with them and even shagging one to make sure she wasn't dragged into the boardroom.....
yaruar
07-06-2007
Originally Posted by platelet:
“She ambushed her and attacked her with a tremedious amount of vitriol as if Katie had done her some personal harm. ”

She had though, she's done every woman trying to get ahead in business a disservice by living up to so many negative stereotypes. She claimed she wants to be a CEO, but she won't have got there by merit, she will have gotten there by bitching, flirting and shagging her bosses. Which will make a lot of people wonder if people like Michelle or other sucessful businesswomen have done the same, rahter than having relied on ability and intellect.
JamieBarry
07-06-2007
I think the only thing bra lady managed to achieve was put people off her.

We all know what Katie is like and have formed our own opinions on her, we did not need a firey Scot to start a petty argument with Katie to make herself look good.

In fact it had the opposite effect and made her look like a snobby ###.

If anything I think bra lady has made the public perception of Katie a bit better as Katie was more composed in that banter and a lot of viewers now dislike bra women just as much.
Dollystanford
07-06-2007
all of you sticking up for Katie - she looks down on you too you know!

the way she talked about her children as if they were bits of furniture made me furious - they are 2 and 3 years old for god's sake, how can you say 'had them, done that!'

There's about another 16 years of mothering to go Katie, or will you just palm them off on the nanny?
Martin Phillp
07-06-2007
Originally Posted by JamieBarry:
“I think the only thing bra lady managed to achieve was put people off her.

We all know what Katie is like and have formed our own opinions on her, we did not need a firey Scot to start a petty argument with Katie to make herself look good.

In fact it had the opposite effect and made her look like a snobby ###.

If anything I think bra lady has made the public perception of Katie a bit better as Katie was more composed in that banter and a lot of viewers now dislike bra women just as much.”

We must of been watching a different show as the audience reaction towards the bra lady was on her side, while Katie was met with a mix of cheers and boos.
*Laura*
07-06-2007
Originally Posted by hobbes:
“To me the whole thing was Michelle's audition for "Dragon's Den"

She so wants to be a celeb it hurts!”

That's what I thought as well! When she initially laced into Katie I thought "Well done". But, she took it way too far, to the point where she looked like a desperate wannabe scoring cheap points for attention. She did the unthinkable and actually made Katie look good!
SolarSail
07-06-2007
How strange it is that so many people can view exactly the same footage and come up with such a different point of view on it.

I applaud Michelle Mone for speaking frankly, and she has more class in her little finger than Katie will ever have hawking her wares to the highest bidder.

An ill-fitting white suit, affected accent and a line of unamusing vitriolic comments to camera just doesn't cut it, and especially not so in business.

However, once Katie was out of her job with ex hubbie's company, I very much doubt that she was in the business market - as she appears to be demonstrating now. IMO her target is a media career in the vein of Simon Cowell, sadly, she comes across more Lilly Savage, but without the wit.
Dollystanford
07-06-2007
the thing about people like Cowell is they do actually have a heart and a sense of humour

Katie is so unbelievably superior that you can't ever believe she's doing it tongue in cheek. She'll end up doing a 'Badger or bust' type programme on TV Living (I hope)
Apricot
07-06-2007
Originally Posted by SolarSail:
“How strange it is that so many people can view exactly the same footage and come up with such a different point of view on it.

I applaud Michelle Mone for speaking frankly, and she has more class in her little finger than Katie will ever have hawking her wares to the highest bidder.

An ill-fitting white suit, affected accent and a line of unamusing vitriolic comments to camera just doesn't cut it, and especially not so in business.

However, once Katie was out of her job with ex hubbie's company, I very much doubt that she was in the business market - as she appears to be demonstrating now. IMO her target is a media career in the vein of Simon Cowell, sadly, she comes across more Lilly Savage, but without the wit.”

Good post SolarSail - I agree with every word.

I'm staggered by the amount of Katie advocates out there. This woman has demonstrated utter contempt for the feelings of others both on the show (which some apologists might attempt to blame on editing) and post-show (The Apprenticast with Richard Bacon was particularly unedifying).

The woman appears amoral - I have to say her polluted views and behaviour are reminiscent of Jeffrey Archer in his pomp i.e. she doesn't appear to have a moral compass.

I don't know her so am not in a position to judge her character off air but the malevolence of her attacks are unsettling to listen to. Also where have people got the idea that the attacks are witty???
Dollystanford
07-06-2007
I don't know but I totally agree with you - there is not wit or charm, just odious snobbery

and with nothing to back it up
BatmanBegan
07-06-2007
Originally Posted by JamieBarry:
“I think the only thing bra lady managed to achieve was put people off her.

We all know what Katie is like and have formed our own opinions on her, we did not need a firey Scot to start a petty argument with Katie to make herself look good.

In fact it had the opposite effect and made her look like a snobby ###.

If anything I think bra lady has made the public perception of Katie a bit better as Katie was more composed in that banter and a lot of viewers now dislike bra women just as much.”

'That's why I'm here and you're over there' illustrated what kind of a women that bra lady was. She is so up herself.

I am not defending Katie but bra lady really did try to provoke her and that is not how you would expect a women with a million pound business to behave. She acted like a school bully.
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