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I LOVE that bra woman for giving it to Katie !
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Dollystanford
07-06-2007
but that's exactly the sort of thing Katie says to people!

how about Adam 'I'm talking'

'yes but it's so dull I'm going to talk right over you darling'

I mean come on! If you behave like that you should take your medicine, frankly
pammi_i
07-06-2007
Originally Posted by foogirl:
“If Katie has learned nothing else in this whole experience is never ever pick a fight with a Glasweigen burd.

Especially when you haven't got a leg to stand on.

Funny thing is, I can imagine Katie walking away and bitching to her friends "what a hideous woman" and won't have a clue whether she would be the pot or the kettle in that scenario.......

Sure Michelle gave her a roasting and it was probably a little too much, but the facts speak for themselves. One is a millionaire with a successful business and the other, well, lets just see what happens.

As with most women I'm sure Michelle has had display her ruthless side to get on in the business world. And as with most business people, she will have to use tactics which may be seen as sharp in order to get the edge. Is that such a crime?”

If it's not such a crime, then what crime did Katie do??? In that case isn't it the "Glaswegian Burd" who was the pot calling the kettle black? She came across as a bully to me. Is that a national trait?

To be honest, if it's going to come down to a nationalist thing I sincerely hope that Katie puts her undoubted talents to work and sets out to ruin the Scottish woman and succeeds.

Did no-one ever tell you it ain't over yet? Didn't you see it in Katie's eyes?
pammi_i
07-06-2007
Originally Posted by Dollystanford:
“but that's exactly the sort of thing Katie says to people!

how about Adam 'I'm talking'

'yes but it's so dull I'm going to talk right over you darling'

I mean come on! If you behave like that you should take your medicine, frankly”

She and Adam were on equal footing, it was up to him to stick up for himself. If he couldn't do it, then it shouldn't have been done in a 4 against 1 scenario. That's hardly right.

I despite that Scottish woman. I'm a peniless call centre worker, but I'd stand up to the cow because I'm not after a high powered job - not if I'd have to mix with people like her.
JustWonderful
07-06-2007
Katie vs. Scottish Business Woman= TV Gold!

Am glad that Katie didnt back down though.
BatmanBegan
07-06-2007
I think Katie was holding back a bit, I think one on one Katie probably could have destroyed her.

I have little respect for either of them but would have liked to have seen Katie give back more to Bra ladies barrage of insults.
pammi_i
07-06-2007
Originally Posted by magnificent:
“Michelle and Kirsty Wark are long time married women with children and loving husbands. What they are saying to katie is that she is untrustworthy and a man stealer! and lets face it noone likes one of those.

Dirty man stealing tramp!”

Michelle and Kirsty Wark probably rely on their husbands to help them out "morally" and/or financially when the going gets tough, like most married women. There may be exceptions, but I haven't met one.

Katie doesn't. She's strong enough not to need to, as is every other woman like her. That's why they feel threatened. They're small and weak, despite their millions. Katie isn't. She isn't my favourite person, but I despise them more, almost as much as I despise anyone who insinuates that married women are somehow better and more worthy people than single women (who have to get by on wit and merit, not on their husbands' money and contacts, if I didn't already make that point clear).
Kookycelt
07-06-2007
Originally Posted by pammi_i:
“Michelle and Kirsty Wark probably rely on their husbands to help them out "morally" and/or financially when the going gets tough, like most married women. There may be exceptions, but I haven't met one.

Katie doesn't. She's strong enough not to need to, as is every other woman like her. That's why they feel threatened. They're small and weak, despite their millions. Katie isn't. She isn't my favourite person, but I despise them more, almost as much as I despise anyone who insinuates that married women are somehow better and more worthy people than single women (who have to get by on wit and merit, not on their husbands' money and contacts, if I didn't already make that point clear).”

Err, doesn't Katie's ex husband pay her wages?
lumpbottom
07-06-2007
Originally Posted by Dictamus:
“Indeed they were true stories. Reporters usually report on what's actually happening.”

On which planet have you found these reporters?
Martin Phillp
07-06-2007
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Mone
pammi_i
07-06-2007
Originally Posted by Kookycelt:
“Err, doesn't Katie's ex husband pay her wages?”

Ah, perhaps - so she's an ex-married woman with a dream come true
lumpbottom
07-06-2007
Originally Posted by BatmanBegan:
“'That's why I'm here and you're over there' illustrated what kind of a women that bra lady was. She is so up herself.

I am not defending Katie but bra lady really did try to provoke her and that is not how you would expect a women with a million pound business to behave. She acted like a school bully.”

She has said all these things about Katie on previous You're Fired programmes and been applauded for it.
Why shouldn't she say them to her face?
What Michelle said about her own company and her relationship with her employees is correct. Katie is the absolute opposite of what she stands for.
Unicron
07-06-2007
Originally Posted by lumpbottom:
“What Michelle said about her own company and her relationship with her employees is correct.”

Her employees would get on with her as she is their boss. What they may say behind her back is another matter.

She is a terrible women and should have just behaved herself like the other panelists rather than try to make it personal.
JamieBarry
07-06-2007
Originally Posted by lumpbottom:
“She has said all these things about Katie on previous You're Fired programmes and been applauded for it.
Why shouldn't she say them to her face?
What Michelle said about her own company and her relationship with her employees is correct. Katie is the absolute opposite of what she stands for.”

Michelle thought she would be getting the same amount of applause as she did in previous shows for attacking Katie.

She looked well gutted when Katie retaliated and even got some applause, I think that just made Michelle more angry.

That led to her snobbish comments of, 'You think you've made it but you have not' and 'That's why I am sitting here and you're sitting there'. It's one thing to be successful, it's another to have a go at people who are less fortunate than you.

Michelle and Katie are not all that different, they both would walk over people to get what they want.
magnificent
07-06-2007
Originally Posted by pammi_i:
“Michelle and Kirsty Wark probably rely on their husbands to help them out "morally" and/or financially when the going gets tough, like most married women. There may be exceptions, but I haven't met one.

Katie doesn't. She's strong enough not to need to, as is every other woman like her. That's why they feel threatened. They're small and weak, despite their millions. Katie isn't. She isn't my favourite person, but I despise them more, almost as much as I despise anyone who insinuates that married women are somehow better and more worthy people than single women (who have to get by on wit and merit, not on their husbands' money and contacts, if I didn't already make that point clear).”

Kirsty Wark owns a very successful production company (i think with her husband), and if memory serves michelle and hubby own the bra business. They are both hardly what i would describe as 'small and weak'. Small and weak is saying the you would describe yourself as being ruthless enough to take another mans woman because you want him and then to describe that ruthlessness on a scale of 1 - 10 (ten being worse) as 'only an eight'. "Morals",?? "relying on their husbands money"?? "wit and merit"?? methinks you have your praise in inverse proportions to their worth.
brumilad
07-06-2007
Originally Posted by lumpbottom:
“Why shouldn't she say them to her face?
What Michelle said about her own company and her relationship with her employees is correct. Katie is the absolute opposite of what she stands for.”

Eh this is the woman who couldn't get anyone of any note to be the face and body of her stuff until she used her friendship with Rod Stewart to persuade his girlfriend Penny Lancaster to do it and then shat on them both the next year or so by dropping Penny and hiring Rachel Hunter in order to cash in on the tabloid attention.

Long live Michelle 'integrity' Mone!
foogirl
08-06-2007
Originally Posted by pammi_i:
“She came across as a bully to me. Is that a national trait?”

Now, that's just downright offensive. Not to mention pointless. Is being proud of breaking up a marriage, as Katie is, a national trait? Or being a two faced manipulator? Of course not. Don't be so ridiculous. Why must you bring it down to a Scottish versus English issue?

Originally Posted by pammi_i:
“Did no-one ever tell you it ain't over yet? Didn't you see it in Katie's eyes?”

The only thing I saw in her eyes was failure. She is a caricature and a laughing stock. She'll go back to her hum drum life before too long. I just hope her kids didn't hear her talking the way she did about being a mother.

Quote:
“If it's not such a crime, then what crime did Katie do???”

There is a difference between being sharp and ruthless in your business practices, and being manipulating, back stabbing, trashing people and being offensive to your colleagues.

Quote:
“Michelle and Kirsty Wark probably rely on their husbands to help them out "morally" and/or financially when the going gets tough, like most married women. There may be exceptions, but I haven't met one.”

What? Are you serious? You honestly think a woman can't make it in business herself if she happens to be married? People in relationships, whether it be a marriage, or your family or your friends, will always be there for moral support - that isn't particular to married women. And to assume it takes a husband to support them financially would be laughable if it wasn't so offensive.

I am a successful business woman. My husband hasn't given me a penny. I also know many single mothers in business and they tend to have an een bigger support network than I do.
hope in hell
08-06-2007
How apt that the fat scotch bird owns a bra business, because based on her total lack of professionalism and conduct she is a complete tit.

Did you see how desperate she was in trying to get the last word every time Katie responded to her digs with an an even better dig? The audience were clapping Katie and that fat McBint was pathetically screaming over the crowd with her weak retorts. How pathetic is that?

Fats McTit made herself look like a bitter, stroppy child.

And how much make-up did she have on! She looked like a battered clown with some kind of make-up disorder.

What a loser.
bigbro24
08-06-2007
Michelle Mone shamed herself on You're Fired
She didn't need to go over board like that, why did it affect her so personally?
I didn't like Katie I bet she loves a reaction positive or negative.
I think Vanessa Feltz (don't like her but she is good value) would have been a better guest to cooly cut her down to size but I guess she didn't have the business credentials Michelle had to make it credible.
Tc7
08-06-2007
Seems like the 'bra lady' isnt as popular as she thinks she is. Fellow Scot, Rod Stewart, called Mone a "manipulative cow"' and commented that: "I hope she (Mone) chokes on her profits."

Ouch!

Tc
*Laura*
08-06-2007
Originally Posted by bigbro24:
“Michelle Mone shamed herself on You're Fired
She didn't need to go over board like that, why did it affect her so personally?
I didn't like Katie I bet she loves a reaction positive or negative.
I think Vanessa Feltz (don't like her but she is good value) would have been a better guest to cooly cut her down to size but I guess she didn't have the business credentials Michelle had to make it credible.”

Totally agree. That really would have been something to see. Katie wouldn't have stood a chance.
MrPokerFace
08-06-2007
Vanessa Feltz would have been great - she's just got a way with words which Bra Lady simply doesn't.

But then again, Feltz got a degree from Cambridge and apparently that's bad these days (Simon's got one after all)
winny
08-06-2007
Michelle came across as a nasty, venomous cow who couldn't put together a reasoned and measured dissection of Katie's contribution in the show.

Fine, Katie certainly did overstep the mark on a number of occasions with unnecessarily nasty snipes about fellow contestants and sections of the public. However, she didn't have the knives out for me specifcally as I am not a Northern car sales-person called Mavis who watches home shopping channels whilst sat on a rug

Personally (and I know this won't be popular) I think Katie was articulate, intelligent, had a better head for business than most of the candidates in there (despite a couple of notable lapses) and conducted herself with more decorum than MM could possibly muster. In the interests of balance, yes, she was definitely scheming and duplicitous. Incidentally, has she had "work done" since the filming - she seemed to look a lot better in the "You're Fired" show?

I earn less than £90k but consider myself a success (well, to some degree at least!) I think MM's comments here could be considered disparaging by quite a large cross-section.

As pointed out previously, the bloke she "stole" has to take equal share of the blame for this, although I am certainly not sticking up for her conduct. This is in any case, very amoral and if this constitutes a mere 8 out of 10 on the ruthlessness scale...

Finally, and most importantly, what gives that presumptuous, self-important, over-made-up, publicity hungry, condescending b***h (oh, maybe clarification needed here - Michelle!) the right to say she "SPEAKS FOR THE NATION"*.

* Don't know if she is a Scottish Nationalist, in which case, being English, I may actually be ruled out of her speaking on behalf of the nation.
wildamberhoney
08-06-2007
Originally Posted by bevheth:
“Having been in a position of hiring and firing, there is no way I would take on anybody who proudly put in their CV that they were ruthless enough to take someone's husband because that's what they wanted. Neither would I take on someone who said they were ruthless enough to take someone's wife because that's what they wanted. They are equally odious.”

Agreed - I'm an HR Manager and have never seen anything like that in my life! I nearly fell off my chair in shock when I heard that. I ask you this though - who on EARTH would be stupid enough to put something like that on their CV? Surely not someone as seemingly intelligent and shrewd as Katie? That's what made me think that she was playing the pantomime villain... it doesn't make sense.
Steve Hartley
08-06-2007
Originally Posted by Plant:
“So Tre is loved and Katie hated. Can someone explain to me why? At least Katie takes criticism and wasn't agressive.”

Bra Bore was like that with all the males on the show. She sells bras but offers her other undergarments cheaper it would appear
foogirl
08-06-2007
Originally Posted by Tc7:
“Seems like the 'bra lady' isnt as popular as she thinks she is. Fellow Scot, Rod Stewart, called Mone a "manipulative cow"' and commented that: "I hope she (Mone) chokes on her profits."

Ouch!

Tc”

So she is unpopular because Rod Stewart hates her?

He's hardly a paragon of virtue now, is he?
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