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I LOVE that bra woman for giving it to Katie ! |
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So she is unpopular because Rod Stewart hates her?
He's hardly a paragon of virtue now, is he? The point with Rod Stewart is Michelle Mone used his good friendship when it suited her and then deliberatly threw it back in his face playing on his personal issues with the intention of upsetting him because of the tabloid attention it would bring her line. Or are you saying that this manipulative and backstabbing behaviour (that you profess to hate) to a good personal friend to benifit your business is fine as long as it's Rod Stewart who's not so virtuous himself? Michelle Mone has always been the most irritating of all those 'celebrity' woman in business. She is a shameless self promoter always screaming victimisation and how hard done by she is if anyone critisises or takes her to task over her business practices. She's also not THAT great a business woman she just designed a great product and where credits due had enough acuman to get it on the road to success but then struggled with ridulous aims and predictions and had to be bailed out by the richest man in Scotland. I'm not denying what she's achieved and earned but she's hardly your Karren Brady type business person who is actually paid big sums of money to run things of which I'm sure Michelle herself employs. |
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Well done Michelle MOne
Just for once even Katie was temporarily lost for words. At last someone who could get the better of her and win at her own game. Hope Katie takes stock of herself and realises what a !!!! she is, but I doubt it too thick skinned. |
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So she is unpopular because Rod Stewart hates her?
He's hardly a paragon of virtue now, is he? Tc |
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Michelle Mone dumped Penny and replaced her with Rachel as the face (or rather body) of the brand when Rod divorced Rachel for Penny. I remember thinking at the time what a great move it was - openly supportive of the wronged wife, and of all older women ditched for the younger model.
I'm not entirely sure how this characteristically moral stance means MM is a bad person. Do you think she should have supported Rod's serial philandering and treatment of women as objects? |
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but that's exactly the sort of thing Katie says to people!
how about Adam 'I'm talking' 'yes but it's so dull I'm going to talk right over you darling' I mean come on! If you behave like that you should take your medicine, frankly |
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I think Michelle realised very quickly that Adrian Chiles was going to give Katie an easy ride so stepped in. I think it was best that another woman took her on as Katie could turn on the feminine charm to disarm a male presenter.
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The difference is he didn't sit on some high-horse professing his own virtue when pointing out Michelles duplicitous ways.
The point with Rod Stewart is Michelle Mone used his good friendship when it suited her and then deliberatly threw it back in his face playing on his personal issues with the intention of upsetting him because of the tabloid attention it would bring her line. Or are you saying that this manipulative and backstabbing behaviour (that you profess to hate) to a good personal friend to benifit your business is fine as long as it's Rod Stewart who's not so virtuous himself? Your take on the story is the one that he peddles. The truth of what happened is likely somewhere between the two. No-one other than those involved, knows the truth and it is up to them to look after their own relationships. You only have his word that she was manipulative and backstabbing. But to come out and talk about her like he did in the press, says a lot more about him than it does about her. Of course, his daughter now has chosen to take a contract with her too. That indicates to me that there is a lot more to this than meets the eye. Your comments about her not being a success confuse me, as I'm not sure what else, other than talent and business acumen, it takes in one person to make a good business. Even the most successful business leader has people who develop different parts of the company. You think Bill Gates does his own marketing? Or accounts? Or programming? He had a vision and he built on that. Mone may have attacked Katie in a "lets see how you like it manner" but I've yet to hear her slapping some stereotype on her customers and laughing at them. She certainly doesn't carry that snobbish attitude against others that Katie is so proud of. I don't work for her so I have no idea what kind of boss she is, but I'm certain that if she was such a terrible hypocrite, her business record would not be as good as it is. I'm also sure that in a world where every tabloid would love to fuel the flames of that particular fight, someone would have come out of the wood work by now to sell the "other side of Michelle" story. I think the problem is, too many people want to shit on folk who have worked hard and made something of themselves. I'm sure Katie has worked hard and I'm sure she has met obsticles in business. But she made a laughing stock of herself and showed that it is possible to over step the bounds of decency and self respect in the quest to be ruthless and succeed.. There is an awful lot that she seems proud of, that in other circumstances would lead to her being labled entirely differently. Take her out of a business suit and put her into a shell suit, then ask yourself what your opinion would be? And it would seem her employers - sorry EX employers at the met office would agree. |
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I agree entirely. Michelle Mone made me laugh, as do the posts that are attacking her for being nasty to Katie and then call her all names under the sun.
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Well she wanted this 'paragon of virtue' to help with one of her bra campaignes!
Tc |
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I don't know but I totally agree with you - there is not wit or charm, just odious snobbery
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If Lohit can sell panty girdles on a Shopping TV Channel he can sell lingerie for Michelle Mone.
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I don't think a lady who manages bra sales for a living can really criticise katie for not being an example for strong business women. I agreed with everything katie said in the apprentice, and her one liners were great. As for her affair, sometimes people do fall in love with married men, it's not a crime, just a misfortune, and I don't think she should be ashamed for falling in love. Besides isn't it more his fault anyway, she was unattached, he was married, he was the one who broke the committment, not her. People are always so quick to judge the female, but always say it's ok for men as they are more sexual, what a load of rubbish!
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There was a whole article in the paper today (Scottish sun) by one of the Columnists
One of the things I forgot was, When Michelle replaced Penny with Rachel she said getting Rachel was like having a Brazillian footballer unlike Penny who was like a Scottish third division player. Wow, what a lovely lady she is to be judging others. Then there was the tribunal last year, ok so that will happen to most companies, a misunderstanding and stuff leading to a tribunal, but in the Wonderful Woman that is Michelle Mone, crusader for women being represented fairly was taken to a tribunal by a woman she fired for getting Pregnant. WOW, her staff must love her so much, not enough to dare get pregnant though. Michelle lowered herself very much and came across much worse than Katie who was playing up to the "wicked Witch" stuff whereas Michelle just came across as Pathetic. |
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I don't think a lady who manages bra sales for a living can really criticise katie for not being an example for strong business women. I agreed with everything katie said in the apprentice, and her one liners were great. As for her affair, sometimes people do fall in love with married men, it's not a crime, just a misfortune, and I don't think she should be ashamed for falling in love. Besides isn't it more his fault anyway, she was unattached, he was married, he was the one who broke the committment, not her. People are always so quick to judge the female, but always say it's ok for men as they are more sexual, what a load of rubbish!
She had an affair with a married man whilst working at the Met Office, a man who has since returned to his wife and who Katie says is the love of her life, despite having a relationship with Paul during the making of the Apprentice when she was supposed to have been waiting for the love of his life to leave his wife. I'm not judging anybody but it doesn't appear that anyone involved in all these relationships comes out of it all particularly well. |
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The bra woman displayed many of the traits that she slagged Katie off for i.e. bitchiness and snobbery, I thought she went a tad over the top, but Katie handled it well.
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Then there was the tribunal last year, ok so that will happen to most companies, a misunderstanding and stuff leading to a tribunal, but in the Wonderful Woman that is Michelle Mone, crusader for women being represented fairly was taken to a tribunal by a woman she fired for getting Pregnant. WOW, her staff must love her so much, not enough to dare get pregnant though.
For a business which employs a high percentage of women, tribunals are likely always to happen. It is possible to have to fire women who happen to be pregnant for reasons other than the fact they are pregnant. It annoys me when people choose to interpret things as discrimination when in all possibility it is to do with performance. I'm certain there are more women within her organisation who have become pregnant and who were not fired. Until you know the full facts of the case, is it not rather unfair to make an assumption on what happened? |
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She had an affair with a married man whilst working at the Met Office, a man who has since returned to his wife and who Katie says is the love of her life, despite having a relationship with Paul during the making of the Apprentice when she was supposed to have been waiting for the love of his life to leave his wife.
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