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Joseph casting announced
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One and Only
12-06-2007
Originally Posted by LaurieMarlow:
“Gosh, is there any need to be so harsh? 'Public loser' is a totally inappropriate term for these boys who have reached the top twelve out of tens of thousands of hopefuls.

Andrew has already cast, to use your charming term, a 'public loser' as an alternate Maria in the Sound of Music (and as a matter of interest, the girl in question actually placed fourth). A few weeks ago he hinted that he thought some of the lads didn't really suit Joseph, but they would be suitable for other roles in the show. Naturally enough, this gave rise to a bit of speculation and given that I couldn't find an actor named as Benjamin I wondered. Given that the rehearsals are already started, it seems unlikely now, but economically, it makes sense to me. Keith, for instance, pulled in just under a million votes on Saturday, wouldn't it make sense to draw in his fanbase by casting him in another role in the show? (I'm just using Keith as an example, he wouldn't necessarily be my choice, but he did have the largest fan base after Lee).

Most of the 'public losers' from the Maria show have been offered parts by theatre producers based on the fact that they are now well known names with the theatre going public and will bring a fan base with them. I've no doubt that we'll see the same with the Josephs over the next few months.”

I'm so sorry that you have taken such exception to MY opinion.

If they didn't all fail to get the part of Joseph,why should they not be called losers?They all lost the part therefore they are losers.

Hope that clears things up for you.
LaurieMarlow
12-06-2007
Originally Posted by One and Only:
“Has he actually cast any of the other losers for any other part in that particular musical?

The person you mentioned was a candidate for the part of Maria so why on earth is she being used to back up your argument?

Have any of the other candidates for the part of Maria been cast in TSOM?”

I don't understand why you think casting a 'loser' in the role that he or she originally auditioned for is fine (that's what you seem to be saying anyway, because you are telling me that the Aoife example is irrelevant,) but at the same time are stating that it would be 'stupid' of Andrew to cast a 'loser' in a different role, in the same musical. Surely the second option is actually more flattering to the contestant involved. Rather than, 'you are actually my and the publics second choice for this role' you can market it as 'you don't suit the role I am casting, but I think you are very talented and I want you to play this role, which compliments your talents better."

In answer to your question, no one else was cast in the Sound of Music, but ALW cast Belinda in a small role in Phantom of the Opera.

I still stick by what I said, so called 'losers' all have fan bases (some considerably bigger than others) which Andrew might want to tap into. Perhaps in the case of Joseph, he's afraid of overkill, but over the next few months you will see many of these boys snapped up by other theatre producers, for whom the fact that they have had this exposure will be a definite advantage.

In fact, if I were Lewis, I would interpret what Andrew said to him after the show as a veiled promise that he will be offering him some kind work in the near future.

(He said something along the lines of 'Don't worry I'm sure we'll see you in a West End Theatre very close to us very soon.')
LaurieMarlow
12-06-2007
Originally Posted by One and Only:
“I'm so sorry that you have taken such exception to MY opinion.

If they didn't all fail to get the part of Joseph,why should they not be called losers?They all lost the part therefore they are losers.

Hope that clears things up for you.”

I'm not actually taking exception to your opinion, more your choice of words.

But your argument is not clear to me at all, so let me just ask you, are you actually saying the following.

These 11 boys have been seen to lose the part of Joseph on national TV, therefore, to cast them in a different part, in this, or any other production would be a bad move on the part of the producer, because the public don't want to go pay money to watch a 'loser'?

Because that is what I think you're saying, but I'm not sure, so if you could clear that up, that would be great.
One and Only
12-06-2007
Originally Posted by LaurieMarlow:
“I don't understand why you think casting a 'loser' in the role that he or she originally auditioned for is fine (that's what you seem to be saying anyway, because you are telling me that the Aoife example is irrelevant,) but at the same time are stating that it would be 'stupid' of Andrew to cast a 'loser' in a different role, in the same musical. Surely the second option is actually more flattering to the contestant involved. Rather than, 'you are actually my and the publics second choice for this role' you can market it as 'you don't suit the role I am casting, but I think you are very talented and I want you to play this role, which compliments your talents better."

In answer to your question, no one else was cast in the Sound of Music, but ALW cast Belinda in a small role in Phantom of the Opera.

I still stick by what I said, so called 'losers' all have fan bases (some considerably bigger than others) which Andrew might want to tap into. Perhaps in the case of Joseph, he's afraid of overkill, but over the next few months you will see many of these boys snapped up by other theatre producers, for whom the fact that they have had this exposure will be a definite advantage.

In fact, if I were Lewis, I would interpret what Andrew said to him after the show as a veiled promise that he will be offering him some kind work in the near future.

(He said something along the lines of 'Don't worry I'm sure we'll see you in a West End Theatre very close to us very soon.')”

Oh dear.

I'm sorry you are so fired up by this.

I merely dared to suggest that I doubted if anyone other than Lee would be appearing in this particular musical.

Where did I say that none of the others would ever work again?
LaurieMarlow
12-06-2007
Originally Posted by One and Only:
“Oh dear.

I'm sorry you are so fired up by this.

I merely dared to suggest that I doubted if anyone other than Lee would be appearing in this particular musical.

Where did I say that none of the others would ever work again? ”

Okay, fine, I guess I read too much into your word choices of 'losers' and the fact that it would be 'stupid' of ALW to cast someone else, apologies.
One and Only
12-06-2007
Originally Posted by LaurieMarlow:
“I'm not actually taking exception to your opinion, more your choice of words.

But your argument is not clear to me at all, so let me just ask you, are you actually saying the following.

These 11 boys have been seen to lose the part of Joseph on national TV, therefore, to cast them in a different part, in this, or any other production would be a bad move on the part of the producer, because the public don't want to go pay money to watch a 'loser'?

Because that is what I think you're saying, but I'm not sure, so if you could clear that up, that would be great. ”

I never said such a thing.

You were far too quick to assume a meaning which just wasn't there.

Let me explain ...............again.

I do not think any of them other than Lee will be appearing in this particular musical. Of course,that IS just my opinion.
LaurieMarlow
12-06-2007
Originally Posted by One and Only:
“I never said such a thing.

You were far too quick to assume a meaning which just wasn't there.

Let me explain ...............again.

I do not think any of them other than Lee will be appearing in this particular musical. Of course,that IS just my opinion.”

I refer you to my previous answer, apologies.
One and Only
12-06-2007
Originally Posted by LaurieMarlow:
“Okay, fine, I guess I read too much into your word choices of 'losers' and the fact that it would be 'stupid' of ALW to cast someone else, apologies.”

Accepted.

Here's a tip for the future for you.It would be better if you read the words which are written and accept them rather than assuming that a poster has any particular 'agenda'.
LaurieMarlow
12-06-2007
Originally Posted by One and Only:
“Here's a tip for the future for you.It would be better if you read the words which are written and accept them rather than assuming that a poster has any particular 'agenda'.”

While we're in the business of handing out advice


Perhaps I could suggest, that your original statement:

"Why on earth would anyone want to cast any public loser in a part?"

Lends itself to negative interpretation much more obviously than your final word on the subject, which is what you said you were trying to say all along.

"I do not think any of them other than Lee will be appearing in this particular musical"

But apologies for making a mountain out of a molehill, I'm just trying to explain my own reaction.
Snippy
12-06-2007
Originally Posted by LaurieMarlow:
“While we're in the business of handing out advice


Perhaps I could suggest, that your original statement:

"Why on earth would anyone want to cast any public loser in a part?"

Lends itself to negative interpretation much more obviously than your final word on the subject, which is what you said you were trying to say all along.

"I do not think any of them other than Lee will be appearing in this particular musical"

But apologies for making a mountain out of a molehill, I'm just trying to explain my own reaction. ”


OMG! You two are giving me a migraine!!

*goes off to lie in a darkened room*
One and Only
12-06-2007
Originally Posted by Snippy:
“OMG! You two are giving me a migraine!!

*goes off to lie in a darkened room*”

Don't leave on my behalf Snippy.

I've actually had more than enough of this particular forum for one day and I doubt I'll ever dare to post here again.
LaurieMarlow
12-06-2007
Originally Posted by Snippy:
“OMG! You two are giving me a migraine!!

*goes off to lie in a darkened room*”

Is ok, is finished now (I hope)

Not quite sure where that came from
LaurieMarlow
12-06-2007
Originally Posted by One and Only:
“Don't leave on my behalf Snippy.

I've actually had more than enough of this particular forum for one day and I doubt I'll ever dare to post here again.”

Aw, come on, we can get over this and be friends
I've said sorry like three times

Just wait till you come up against cleo on something
Snippy
12-06-2007
*passes around the peace pipe and half a dozen valium each*

Are we all okay now......
One and Only
12-06-2007
Originally Posted by LaurieMarlow:
“Aw, come on, we can get over this and be friends
I've said sorry like three times

Just wait till you come up against cleo on something ”

lol.......ok.
LaurieMarlow
12-06-2007
Originally Posted by Snippy:
“*passes around the peace pipe and half a dozen valium each*

Are we all okay now......”

Yes thank you snippy I won't do it again.
Snippy
12-06-2007
Originally Posted by LaurieMarlow:
“Yes thank you snippy I won't do it again.”

*hugs both close and is relieved peace has been restored*
LaurieMarlow
12-06-2007
Originally Posted by One and Only:
“lol.......ok.”

Thank you, great

Now where do you stand on whether or not Ben is arrogant?

Joke
LaurieMarlow
12-06-2007
Originally Posted by Snippy:
“*hugs both close and is relieved peace has been restored* ”

Snippy the peace maker
Snippy
12-06-2007
Originally Posted by LaurieMarlow:
“Snippy the peace maker ”

i've been nominated for the nobel prize y'know......
merry_mead
12-06-2007
Originally Posted by LaurieMarlow:
“Thank you, great

Now where do you stand on whether or not Ben is arrogant?

Joke ”

*hums a happy tune*

watch ya Snips
LaurieMarlow
12-06-2007
Originally Posted by merry_mead:
“*hums a happy tune*

watch ya Snips ”

Maybe we should have a separate thread for seriously contentious issues, with an R rating. And Snippy dropping in now and again to prevent bloodshed!!!!
One and Only
12-06-2007
Originally Posted by LaurieMarlow:
“Thank you, great

Now where do you stand on whether or not Ben is arrogant?

Joke ”

Think I'll pass on that one for now.

Anyway......not away in the huff but going out to a Bar-B-Q now.
Catch you soon again.
Snippy
12-06-2007
Originally Posted by merry_mead:
“*hums a happy tune*

watch ya Snips ”

I am keeping a very close eye on you Meady.......easy does it!
Snippy
12-06-2007
Originally Posted by One and Only:
“Think I'll pass on that one for now.

Anyway......not away in the huff but going out to a Bar-B-Q now.
Catch you soon again.”

Enjoy the BBQ......
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