You Have Been Proved Wrong! Go Master!!!
Hurray For Rtd!!!
Hurray For Rtd!!!
To everyone who says RTD can't write...
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I think he was sticking up his middle finger at everyone who doubted he could
That was the most amazing episode this series definately I loved it can't wait for next week
That was the most amazing episode this series definately I loved it can't wait for next week
Originally Posted by jonny-boy20:
“You Have Been Proved Wrong! Go Master!!!
Hurray For Rtd!!!”
“You Have Been Proved Wrong! Go Master!!!
Hurray For Rtd!!!”
They haven't been proved wrong, exactly, because they have the right to their POV even if it isn't shared by others.
However sadly the usual suspects will continue to attack this episode pretty much on the grounds that it is a RTD episode regaurdless, but I suppose that's there right too....
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Originally Posted by Muttley76:
“They haven't been proved wrong, exactly, because they have the right to their POV even if it isn't shared by others.
However sadly the usual suspects will continue to attack this episode pretty much on the grounds that it is a RTD episode regaurdless, but I suppose that's there right too....”
“They haven't been proved wrong, exactly, because they have the right to their POV even if it isn't shared by others.
However sadly the usual suspects will continue to attack this episode pretty much on the grounds that it is a RTD episode regaurdless, but I suppose that's there right too....”
had another writer penned that episode exactly as it was I would have said exactly the same thing.
I thought it was clever how they switched shots between The Doctor/Jack conversation and The Professor's realisation. It had an explanation of Jack's immoratility and talk of Rose for the new fans, and for the old fans...
...well, need I say more?
...well, need I say more?
Originally Posted by Eaglestriker:
“I thought it was clever how they switched shots between The Doctor/Jack conversation and The Professor's realisation. It had an explanation of Jack's immoratility and talk of Rose for the new fans, and for the old fans...
...well, need I say more?”
“I thought it was clever how they switched shots between The Doctor/Jack conversation and The Professor's realisation. It had an explanation of Jack's immoratility and talk of Rose for the new fans, and for the old fans...
...well, need I say more?”
the dialogue in that scene was superb I agree. very crisp and the interchanges with the scenes with The Professor were smoothly done.
Im so happy that RTD has brought back the master hes a much better villian then the daleks and cybermen because he so similar to the doc so there for more of a threat.
Originally Posted by Eaglestriker:
“I thought it was clever how they switched shots between The Doctor/Jack conversation and The Professor's realisation. It had an explanation of Jack's immoratility and talk of Rose for the new fans, and for the old fans...
...well, need I say more?”
“I thought it was clever how they switched shots between The Doctor/Jack conversation and The Professor's realisation. It had an explanation of Jack's immoratility and talk of Rose for the new fans, and for the old fans...
...well, need I say more?”
I have to say, that was pure genius.....great work by RTD and no mistake!
Hopefully those who have been giving gentle knocks to the new series will have been happy with this episode, it had pretty much everything.
1. Alien planet that looks suspiciously like a quarry? - Check.
2. Fairly pointless back story to keep the plot moving along - Check.
3. Great sudden revelation of 'the bad guy' - Check.
4. Great cliff hanger with no obvious way out - Check.
and to top it all off it appears to be part 1 of 3 making it a good long story.
It would appear that RTD has been listening to the minor critisims made about the new series. I just hope he's listened enough not to bring back the Daleks for the season ending.
1. Alien planet that looks suspiciously like a quarry? - Check.
2. Fairly pointless back story to keep the plot moving along - Check.
3. Great sudden revelation of 'the bad guy' - Check.
4. Great cliff hanger with no obvious way out - Check.
and to top it all off it appears to be part 1 of 3 making it a good long story.
It would appear that RTD has been listening to the minor critisims made about the new series. I just hope he's listened enough not to bring back the Daleks for the season ending.
not that it was poor writing, i just feel Human nature double blows everything out the water. In TV not just DW
Originally Posted by Bone:
“Hopefully those who have been giving gentle knocks to the new series will have been happy with this episode, it had pretty much everything.
1. Alien planet that looks suspiciously like a quarry? - Check.
2. Fairly pointless back story to keep the plot moving along - Check.
3. Great sudden revelation of 'the bad guy' - Check.
4. Great cliff hanger with no obvious way out - Check.
and to top it all off it appears to be part 1 of 3 making it a good long story.
It would appear that RTD has been listening to the minor critisims made about the new series. I just hope he's listened enough not to bring back the Daleks for the season ending.”
“Hopefully those who have been giving gentle knocks to the new series will have been happy with this episode, it had pretty much everything.
1. Alien planet that looks suspiciously like a quarry? - Check.
2. Fairly pointless back story to keep the plot moving along - Check.
3. Great sudden revelation of 'the bad guy' - Check.
4. Great cliff hanger with no obvious way out - Check.
and to top it all off it appears to be part 1 of 3 making it a good long story.
It would appear that RTD has been listening to the minor critisims made about the new series. I just hope he's listened enough not to bring back the Daleks for the season ending.”
Season 3 period has been great.
I think Utopia has proved that he's a pretty versatile writer. This is the most classic Who Russell has ever gone in an episode. It's as though he was watching old episodes and basically emulated the style. Derek Jacobi's 'I...am...The Master!' was straight out of classic Who.
Originally Posted by jonny-boy20:
“You Have Been Proved Wrong! Go Master!!!
Hurray For Rtd!!!”
“You Have Been Proved Wrong! Go Master!!!
Hurray For Rtd!!!”
For kids perhaps, amusing once, but no rewatchability.
Originally Posted by Bone:
“4. Great cliff hanger with no obvious way out - Check.”
“4. Great cliff hanger with no obvious way out - Check.”
Actually the "way out" is so obvious it might as well be signposted
Still, I'd prefer it to be obvious than his usual "magic door from nowhere" approach.
Originally Posted by Rooks:
“Actually the "way out" is so obvious it might as well be signposted Still, I'd prefer it to be obvious than his usual "magic door from nowhere" approach.”
“Actually the "way out" is so obvious it might as well be signposted
Still, I'd prefer it to be obvious than his usual "magic door from nowhere" approach.”
what's your theory Rooks?
I can think of two pretty obvious ways out - the Master's tardis (must be there somewhere, otherwise how did he get there?), and Jack's temporal vortex manipulator thingy.
Originally Posted by Chris Davies:
“I can think of two pretty obvious ways out - the Master's tardis (must be there somewhere, otherwise how did he get there?), and Jack's temporal vortex manipulator thingy.”
“I can think of two pretty obvious ways out - the Master's tardis (must be there somewhere, otherwise how did he get there?), and Jack's temporal vortex manipulator thingy.”
with no guarantee that they will return to the correct point in time. they might get back to find Saxon has been in power for some time.
Originally Posted by Black Guardian:
“with no guarantee that they will return to the correct point in time. they might get back to find Saxon has been in power for some time.”
“with no guarantee that they will return to the correct point in time. they might get back to find Saxon has been in power for some time.”
The Family of Blood found themselves pretty close to where they wanted to be - a couple of months late? I think our protagonists will be a little late too - late enough for "Saxon" to worm his way into power. Probably more than a couple of months then?
Originally Posted by The Slug:
“The Family of Blood found themselves pretty close to where they wanted to be - a couple of months late? I think our protagonists will be a little late too - late enough for "Saxon" to worm his way into power. Probably more than a couple of months then?”
“The Family of Blood found themselves pretty close to where they wanted to be - a couple of months late? I think our protagonists will be a little late too - late enough for "Saxon" to worm his way into power. Probably more than a couple of months then?”
my thinking too Slug. enough time to get his feet under the table and put whatever diabolical plan into action.
Originally Posted by Bone:
“Hopefully those who have been giving gentle knocks to the new series will have been happy with this episode, it had pretty much everything.
1. Alien planet that looks suspiciously like a quarry? - Check.
2. Fairly pointless back story to keep the plot moving along - Check.
3. Great sudden revelation of 'the bad guy' - Check.
4. Great cliff hanger with no obvious way out - Check.
and to top it all off it appears to be part 1 of 3 making it a good long story.
It would appear that RTD has been listening to the minor critisims made about the new series. I just hope he's listened enough not to bring back the Daleks for the season ending.”
“Hopefully those who have been giving gentle knocks to the new series will have been happy with this episode, it had pretty much everything.
1. Alien planet that looks suspiciously like a quarry? - Check.
2. Fairly pointless back story to keep the plot moving along - Check.
3. Great sudden revelation of 'the bad guy' - Check.
4. Great cliff hanger with no obvious way out - Check.
and to top it all off it appears to be part 1 of 3 making it a good long story.
It would appear that RTD has been listening to the minor critisims made about the new series. I just hope he's listened enough not to bring back the Daleks for the season ending.”
An excellent set of old skool ingredients. The only difference would be that there would be another 4 episodes running around the same base and quarry set if this were Classic Who!
Originally Posted by IceHunter:
“For kids perhaps, amusing once, but no rewatchability.”
“For kids perhaps, amusing once, but no rewatchability.”
No, already watched it twice yesterday - and want to watch it again.
Originally Posted by Black Guardian:
“with no guarantee that they will return to the correct point in time. they might get back to find Saxon has been in power for some time.”
“with no guarantee that they will return to the correct point in time. they might get back to find Saxon has been in power for some time.”
It was signposted near the start of the episode and we know that RTD is rarely subtle. It'll be Jacks time device and it's a fair bet we will get the following scene:
The Doctor: "Your time device"
Jack: "But it's not accurate, we could end up anywhere in time"
The Doctor: "Ah but I'm a genius remember, just a quick rewiring and we'll be good to go"
Cue Sonic Screwdriver moment.
Cue The Doctor grinning inanely at Jack then the camera.
Thats my theory BG
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