Daleks... cybermen... and now The Master!

It's great that the new series is reviving the old recurring enemies of The Doctor and it's also great that episodes inbetween introduce us to new and exciting characters.

But how about a new "Big bad" that continually shows up from time to time? It doesn't need to be an enemy specifically designed to be recurring, but just one that happened to be a hit with fans first time round.

The cyberman and daleks etc are always going to be classic, but none of the new enemies will be as big if they are only ever "one hit wonders".

Anyone get what I'm saying and if so what do you think?

The slitheen?

In the first series I thought that was going to be Adam

LOL. As soon as I wrote that post I visioned the first reply being two worded :"The Slitheen"

I thought, should I mention in my post "Obviously characters like the Slitheen don't count because they were unpopular and do not provide a huge continuing threat to the doctor".

But I thought "Nah, they will know I don't mean characters like the Slitheen. "

Unpopular with many here, but not with a large chunk of the population, especially the kids, apparently.

Popular or not (and I agree that many people do like the Slitheen), I don't think they have the necessary qualities to become a recurring "arch enemy". Not that I know what those qualities are; we'll probably just know them when we see them.

For this reincarnation of Doctor Who to be remembered as more than just a blip, it is going to have to produce a foe as dangerous and as memorable as the Daleks and Cybermen. It can't keep on recycling enemies from the classic series.

Why must it create such a foe? Why can't it keep on recycling?

If (big if) you had a whole series of the quality of episodes 8/9/10 of this one - three episodes with no classic enemies but none that look like recurring 'big bads' either - how would such a series be remembered?

To be honest, I'm getting a bit fed up with this carping on about old enemies. Surely the one thing we can all agree on is that we need top notch stories - and whoever happens to be battling the Doctor in those stories is irrelevent as long as we can all enjoy some cracking entertainment!

I think the Slitheen story lines have come to a conclusion now...

I suppose that Cassandra was also a re-occuring new baddie - again her story line has been wrapped up now...

As for more recent bad guys - The Family Of Blood would be good but again, their story has been wrapped up...

It seems like there is some exploration of new baddies, it's just a matter of finding one that really fits the bill...

The Weeping Angels could be a good one - but I doubt they will make a comeback...

I have no objection to them using old enemies from the classic series if they merit a return.

I agree with you that the new series team have failed to create a new enemy that could be utilised over and over again...with the exception of say Mr Finch who was a worthy adversary and Yvonne Hartman but they stupidly killed her!

Nothing wrong with re-using old enemies - and although the daleks and cybermen have already been significantly devalued by over-exposure and by being defeated too easily there is still a huge pot of classic enemies that deserve "re-imagining".

And I take your point on the "top notch stories" too - a good story is, after all, the most important consideration.

But when the wheel comes full circle and Doctor Who is revived yet again in another 30 or so years' time it would be nice for that reincarnation to be recycling at least a couple of baddies from RTD's Doctor Who and not only from the original classic series.

Personally I would be more than happy never to see the Daleks or Cybermen again - boring, predictable and old hat. Not 100% sure that the return of the Master is good either. I remember the Jon Pertwee/Roger Delgado days and it seemed that every story had the bloody Master in it.
Give me the likes of 'Girl in the Fireplace', 'Human Nature/Family of Blood' and the brilliant 'Blink' anyday.

I'm sure I was warning of impending Dalek-fatigue even before they suddenly reappeared in Series 2. And the re-imagining of the cybermen painfully misfired in my opinion.

Yes, it would be great to create a new classic baddie or two, but as I said in another thread, how many truly iconic enemies did the original series come up with in 26 years? Iconic in terms of crossover to the general public? 4 or 5 at most I'd say. And I don't think there were any that were 'born' in the last 10 years of the show (except the Kandyman of course ). So there was a long 'barren spell' even before the reboot.

You keep writing stories that introduce new threats, and once in a while, if you're lucky, you'll hit the jackpot and stir the public consciousness, and you've got your new "big bad". There's still hope that one we've seen could return and prove itself special. I have a soft spot for the Gelth. Others have mentioned Mr Finch (ie the Krillitane). The key is creating the right story to bring them back and take them to the next level. Maybe next year!

What about a episode based on Star trek, where they cross over to another universe, and there oposite is evil or good

So taking this over to dr who

The doctor = Evil

The master/Daleks = For good of mankind

The dalek from our universe could cross over, and change them so they become evil, so we now have a new dalek army