[SeaviewHome]

Film rental firm Blockbuster is to rent high definition DVD's in the Blu-ray format only at 1450 of its US stores.
The move is viewed as a blow for rival Toshiba backed HD DVD format - which has been battling against the Blu-ray format, supported by Sony.
Blockbuster said that consumers have chosen Blu-ray oner HD DVD in 250 stores where both were available.
Limited choice of titles in HD DVD format was also a factor in focusing in on Blu-ray said Blockbuster.

http://www.newstimeslive.com/news/st...&source=tabbox

[veryclever]

If the HD disc market was being used by the mass market then the Blockbuster decision may have had some bearing on the situation ,but everyone buying HD discs of either format at the moment can be counted as early adopters ,most of which will be into buying their discs.

I think the Blockbuster decision is just a short term cash in on the PS3 buyers who may want to sample HD movies,and will have little bearing on the eventual outcome of the format war.

There are still no affordable Bluray players bar the PS3 so mass market sales are still a long way off.

But the HDDVD camp should start releasing some quality titles.

With Universal the sole HDDVD only company ,they have some real classics they could get out into the shops to help the format along

[Englandfc]

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Originally Posted by veryclever

If the HD disc market was being used by the mass market then the Blockbuster decision may have had some bearing on the situation ,but everyone buying HD discs of either format at the moment can be counted as early adopters ,most of which will be into buying their discs.

I think the Blockbuster decision is just a short term cash in on the PS3 buyers who may want to sample HD movies,and will have little bearing on the eventual outcome of the format war.

There are still no affordable Bluray players bar the PS3 so mass market sales are still a long way off.

But the HDDVD camp should start releasing some quality titles.

With Universal the sole HDDVD only company ,they have some real classics they could get out into the shops to help the format along

Apart from the Samsung Blu-ray player £399 that we talked about for hours on end yesterday.

[veryclever]

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Originally Posted by Englandfc

Apart from the Samsung Blu-ray player £399 that we talked about for hours on end yesterday.

FFS when will you get it into your head that £399 is not a mass market affordable player.

Perhaps if you had not been a teenage schoolkid when dvd came out you would have some idea about how things progress

[lakes]

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Originally Posted by veryclever

If the HD disc market was being used by the mass market then the Blockbuster decision may have had some bearing on the situation ,but everyone buying HD discs of either format at the moment can be counted as early adopters ,most of which will be into buying their discs.

I think the Blockbuster decision is just a short term cash in on the PS3 buyers who may want to sample HD movies,and will have little bearing on the eventual outcome of the format war.

There are still no affordable Bluray players bar the PS3 so mass market sales are still a long way off.

But the HDDVD camp should start releasing some quality titles.

With Universal the sole HDDVD only company ,they have some real classics they could get out into the shops to help the format along

i dont care for the classics , what i will be looking for is the new films that will come out that have been made with HD in mind.

[Englandfc]

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Originally Posted by veryclever

FFS when will you get it into your head that £399 is not a mass market affordable player.

Perhaps if you had not been a teenage schoolkid when dvd came out you would have some idea about how things progress

Im not falling for your bait.

You put -

"There are still no affordable Bluray players bar the PS3 so mass market sales are still a long way off."

The Samsung Blu-ray player is £399 the same as the PS3 which you you said was affordable. Like i said im not falling for your bait. If i can cleary see what you putting and contridicting yourself, everyone else can.

So a £399 PS3 is affordable, but a Samsung Blu-ray player At £99 isnt? I like how you work that out. Not falling for it.

[veryclever]

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Originally Posted by lakes

i dont care for the classics , what i will be looking for is the new films that will come out that have been made with HD in mind.

Why would new films be made with HD in mind.

99.9% of films made for the cinema were made on 35mm film so are already able to produce quality that exceeds current HD

[veryclever]

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Originally Posted by lakes

i dont care for the classics , what i will be looking for is the new films that will come out that have been made with HD in mind.

You mean that when Indiana Jones or Star Wars or ET or Jaws comes out you wont be buying?

[veryclever]

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Originally Posted by Englandfc

Im not falling for your bait.

You put -

"There are still no affordable Bluray players bar the PS3 so mass market sales are still a long way off."

The Samsung Blu-ray player is £399 the same as the PS3 which you you said was affordable. Like i said im not falling for your bait. If i can cleary see what you putting and contridicting yourself, everyone else can.

So a £399 PS3 is affordable, but a Samsung Blu-ray player At £99 isnt? I like how you work that out. Not falling for it.

Like you said ,the PS3 is more than an HD player.
First and foremost its a games console.

So I repeat,there are no affordable Bluray players out there.

Like it or not,99% of people are not interested in a games console just to watch Bluray

[Englandfc]

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Originally Posted by veryclever

Like you said ,the PS3 is more than an HD player.
First and foremost its a games console.

So I repeat,there are no affordable Bluray players out there.

Like it or not,99% of people are not interested in a games console just to watch Bluray

Ill repaeat what you said -

"There are still no affordable Bluray players bar the PS3 so mass market sales are still a long way off."

Either add the Samsung Blu-ray player or retract the statement.

[Jarrak]

Well £399 is still not a mass-market price and neither is £260 for the E1 but as both players are being phased out with newer more advanced models there are bargins to be had.

After very poor initial reviews the BD-P1000 has pulled it socks up thanks to firmware updates but at the end of the day it's still a first gen machine and we won't see what blu-ray as it should be until they sort out the full interactive apps via BD-J which is still not standardised across the whole range of players.
Once that is set in stone and combined with cheaper second gen players I can see myself picking a player up to complement my XE1.

[veryclever]

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Originally Posted by Jarrak

Well £399 is still not a mass-market price and neither is £260 for the E1 but as both players are being phased out with newer more advanced models there are bargins to be had.

After very poor initial reviews the BD-P1000 has pulled it socks up thanks to firmware updates but at the end of the day it's still a first gen machine and we won't see what blu-ray as it should be until they sort out the full interactive apps via BD-J which is still not standardised across the whole range of players.
Once that is set in stone and combined with cheaper second gen players I can see myself picking a player up to complement my XE1.

I can see sense ,you can see sense ,one wonders why Englandfc has to take the fanboy stance

But wouldn't it be funny if BD-J was finalised and all the current players including the PS3 could not use it?

[Englandfc]

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Originally Posted by veryclever

I can see sense ,you can see sense ,one wonders why Englandfc has to take the fanboy stance

But wouldn't it be funny if BD-J was finalised and all the current players including the PS3 could not use it?

Wouldnt only fanboys find it funny? It certainly isnt a laughing matter if people have spent over £400.

And ill repeat what you said -

"There are still no affordable Bluray players bar the PS3 so mass market sales are still a long way off."

Either you include the Samsung Blu-ray player into that or retract the statement.

[veryclever]

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Originally Posted by Englandfc

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Wouldnt only fanboys find it funny? It certainly isnt a laughing matter if people have spent over £400.

And ill repeat what you said -

"There are still no affordable Bluray players bar the PS3 so mass market sales are still a long way off."

Either you include the Samsung Blu-ray player into that or retract the statement.

It would be hilarious if BD-J was not workable on current players as it would prove that Bluray went on sale too early merely to try and slow the growth of HDDVD

[Englandfc]

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Originally Posted by veryclever

It would be hilarious if BD-J was not workable on current players as it would prove that Bluray went on sale too early merely to try and slow the growth of HDDVD

And you call me a fanboy.

[lakes]

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Originally Posted by veryclever

You mean that when Indiana Jones or Star Wars or ET or Jaws comes out you wont be buying?

lol well i already have 5 sets of Star Wars......si i might get that one lol.

no what i am saying is that when dvd come out i shot off and got all the classics then (had them already on VHS) but i dont think i will spend my money on films that i already have on dvd just to get them on Blu-ray/HD DVD .

[GDK]

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Originally Posted by lakes

lol well i already have 5 sets of Star Wars......si i might get that one lol.

no what i am saying is that when dvd come out i shot off and got all the classics then (had them already on VHS) but i dont think i will spend my money on films that i already have on dvd just to get them on Blu-ray/HD DVD .

You sound like someone who hasn't actually lived with 1080p yet!

I think you would change your mind if you had a BD or HD-DVD player.

Personally, I can't wait for all my favourites to come out on BD.

Graeme

[unheardof]

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Originally Posted by veryclever

It would be hilarious if BD-J was not workable on current players as it would prove that Bluray went on sale too early merely to try and slow the growth of HDDVD

I thought it was a well known fact? None of the current blu ray machines (bar the PS3 i presume) are capable of using the finalised version of BD-J that will be hopefully finished later this year. So thats means you can kiss good bye to the fancy extras that will use it when it comes or buy a new player.

It one of the main reasons why I won't even consider buying a blu ray player at the moment. Its not a finished product

HD DVD suits me fine at the moment. Its cheaper, its completly finalised, has a higher quality selection of films currently (imo) and its region free, so I can pick up disks cheaply from anywhere in the world over the net

[edbishop]

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Originally Posted by unheardof

I thought it was a well known fact? None of the current blu ray machines (bar the PS3 i presume) are capable of using the finalised version of BD-J that will be hopefully finished later this year. So thats means you can kiss good bye to the fancy extras that will use it when it comes or buy a new player.

It one of the main reasons why I won't even consider buying a blu ray player at the moment. Its not a finished product

HD DVD suits me fine at the moment. Its cheaper, its completly finalised, has a higher quality selection of films currently (imo) and its region free, so I can pick up disks cheaply from anywhere in the world over the net

I have not seen anything that confirms that finalised BD-J will immediately send current players to the obsolescence yard.

At the very least they should ensure that firmware updates could bring players up to date ,and if the current PS3 will not be able to use BD-J then surely all its customers are being ripped off

[unheardof]

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Originally Posted by edbishop

I have not seen anything that confirms that finalised BD-J will immediately send current players to the obsolescence yard.

At the very least they should ensure that firmware updates could bring players up to date ,and if the current PS3 will not be able to use BD-J then surely all its customers are being ripped off

I've seen it mentioned on several websites but you'll have to forgive me but I can't remember and exact one. The incompletness of BD-J has already led to problems with various machines. 'The descent' on BR can only be played properly on a small number of BR players because of problems with BD-J. Check youtube for the video of sony's top BD player struggling to play the POTC disk and crashing out because of the BD-J

http://formatwarcentral.com/index.ph...start-to-show/
It was obviously rushed to market unfinished. As such I won't touch it until its shown to work properly

The PS3 is also the only BR player with a network port (a requirement I am led to believe of the BD-J spec to allow internet access and downloading).

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Originally Posted by SeaviewHome

Film rental firm Blockbuster is to rent high definition DVD's in the Blu-ray format only at 1450 of its US stores.
The move is viewed as a blow for rival Toshiba backed HD DVD format - which has been battling against the Blu-ray format, supported by Sony.
Blockbuster said that consumers have chosen Blu-ray oner HD DVD in 250 stores where both were available.
Limited choice of titles in HD DVD format was also a factor in focusing in on Blu-ray said Blockbuster.

http://www.newstimeslive.com/news/st...&source=tabbox

i was just speaking to a guy in blockbuster and i asked him about blockbuster only supporting blue-ray and he said its because sony pumped a lot of money into them. he's the manager aswell.

[GDK]

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Originally Posted by unheardof

I've seen it mentioned on several websites but you'll have to forgive me but I can't remember and exact one. The incompletness of BD-J has already led to problems with various machines. 'The descent' on BR can only be played properly on a small number of BR players because of problems with BD-J. Check youtube for the video of sony's top BD player struggling to play the POTC disk and crashing out because of the BD-J

http://formatwarcentral.com/index.ph...start-to-show/
It was obviously rushed to market unfinished. As such I won't touch it until its shown to work properly

The PS3 is also the only BR player with a network port (a requirement I am led to believe of the BD-J spec to allow internet access and downloading).

I can't see how lack of a network connection would be a major problem for BD-J disks. It would only be a problem if the disk was programmed to access internet based content. Even then, only that content - surely a minor extra - would be affected. You'd still be able to play the movie itself.

I presume firmware updates, that would allow current machines to handle BD-J, will be available on disk, or to download to a PC to put on a disk.

Graeme

[unheardof]

But can't you see or understand the problem with BD? It's spec is still not fully complete. An Ethernet port will be a requirement on all players once BD-J is fully implemented effectively making all current machines (bar the ps3) obsolete.

Sure it will still play disks but don't expect to be able to access any of the advanced features in a year of two. The problems with the incomplete BD-J spec have also led to various problems on several machines (crash's, lock ups or non playing disks). None of these problems will be fixed until probably until its finalised later this year

But that leaves the problem of what to do with the currently availaible machines which don't meet the spec.

Some might get updated firmwares, some may not. Certainly what imputus is there for their manufacturers to support out of date and below spec players in a year or so?

I won't want to spent £400+ on an incomplete machine that will be made obsolete later this year

[GDK]

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Originally Posted by unheardof

But can't you see or understand the problem with BD? It's spec is still not fully complete. An Ethernet port will be a requirement on all players once BD-J is fully implemented effectively making all current machines (bar the ps3) obsolete.

Sure it will still play disks but don't expect to be able to access any of the advanced features in a year of two. The problems with the incomplete BD-J spec have also led to various problems on several machines (crash's, lock ups or non playing disks). None of these problems will be fixed until probably until its finalised later this year

But that leaves the problem of what to do with the currently availaible machines which don't meet the spec.

Some might get updated firmwares, some may not. Certainly what imputus is there for their manufacturers to support out of date and below spec players in a year or so?

I won't want to spent £400+ on an incomplete machine that will be made obsolete later this year

I do see your point, but I don't see it as a major problem. Perhaps that's because I don't see access from a disk to internet based content as all that important. For me, the movie's the thing, and all else is lagniappe. The ethernet port will just make firmware updates (and content protection updates) easy. Similarly, I couldn't care less about the PIP feature on HD-DVD. Icing on the cake, that's all.

Of course I don't know how it will turn out, but it may be that feature of BD-J will never be implemented on many disks. Not all features in the DVD spec are used these days. How many DVD's do you have with multiangle-view? If you have any, how often do you actually use it?

[unheardof]

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Originally Posted by GDK

I do see your point, but I don't see it as a major problem. Perhaps that's because I don't see access from a disk to internet based content as all that important. For me, the movie's the thing, and all else is lagniappe. The ethernet port will just make firmware updates (and content protection updates) easy. Similarly, I couldn't care less about the PIP feature on HD-DVD. Icing on the cake, that's all.

Of course I don't know how it will turn out, but it may be that feature of BD-J will never be implemented on many disks. Not all features in the DVD spec are used these days. How many DVD's do you have with multiangle-view? If you have any, how often do you actually use it?

My point is, as stated, why spend £400, £500, £600+ on an incomplete standalone BR Player? I wouln't consider purchasing one until the spec is finalised as I don't want to run the risk of ending up with an out of date machine. I may not use all the features that DVD's offer but I'm pretty sure every DVD player I own or have owned was capable of using the features.

The lack of ethernet ports and unfinalised BD-J makes buying a BR player currently a waste of money for me. Better players will arrive once the spec is finalised. In the meantime I'll use HD DVD and enjoy what it offers