[It's only me]

This Doesn't sound Good Folks!!

http://blog.homecinemachoice.com/pag..._players_to_be

[verybigknob]

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Originally Posted by It's only me

This Doesn't sound Good Folks!!

http://blog.homecinemachoice.com/pag..._players_to_be

This has already been mentioned many times on other threads.

There was always a question mark over the final BD-J and whether it would render current players obsolete.

Just makes Blu-Ray buyers look bigger mugs than we already knew they were

[Kojack]

I don't care who wins, Im not buying a player until it comes down to £100

[Jarrak]

Good for you
I've done my part to make one of the formats viable and survive long enough for R&D and manufacturing advances to bring down the prices to more mainstream.

As for BD-J well once that has been standardised the format can evolve, it really should not have been launched without a full feature set in place yet we know that conflicting interests can affect a products birth.
It would be a shame if there were players that could not be upgraded by a firmware disc or via the net and were left unable to make full use of BD-J disks.

[GDK]

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Originally Posted by verybigknob

...Just makes Blu-Ray buyers look bigger mugs than we already knew they were

Now there's a real positive contribution to the debate!:sleep:

[verybigknob]

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Originally Posted by GDK

Now there's a real positive contribution to the debate!:sleep:

You are one of said mugs I assume?

It was always known that finalised BD-J may not work with current players so anyone who bought into it is either a mug or is not bothered.

Either way its bad that Sony marketed an unfinished format.

If currently available players ,especially the PS3 cannot be updated by firmware (which seems unlikely and too stupid even for Sony) then its a stab in the back from Sony and justifiably the first nail in the coffin for Bluray

[soulboy77]

My understanding is that it's only the handling of interactive content that current generation Blu-ray players may have a problem with. They will still be able to play the basic film.

[Jarrak]

Yep, the use of the word "obsolete" was wildly over the top although no doubt some owners would consider the lack of full BD-J compliance on players costing serious money while other players are fine as a slap in the face.

Even with DVD there are lots of people who never go beyond the basic movie, the same will apply to HD media even though the core ownership of standalones at this time are probably AV/Home Cinema enthusiasts.

[DjM2k3]

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Originally Posted by verybigknob

You are one of said mugs I assume?

It was always known that finalised BD-J may not work with current players so anyone who bought into it is either a mug or is not bothered.

Either way its bad that Sony marketed an unfinished format.

If currently available players ,especially the PS3 cannot be updated by firmware (which seems unlikely and too stupid even for Sony) then its a stab in the back from Sony and justifiably the first nail in the coffin for Bluray

Seeing as Sony are the major players, chief developers and architect of Blu-Ray it seems rather obtuse to think the change in specification wouldn't have been agreed by and co-ordinated by Sony.

Also, people seem to forget it's a change in specification relating to interactive content only and not the movies themselves. A change in specification doesn't necessarily mean interactive content won't work on older models or players with outdated firmware. Think of it when DVD first came out followed by DTS sound. The first range of DVD players relied on 2.0 audio but that didn't mean DVD discs that had DTS audio wouldn't work, just meant they had to be played back in 2.0.

[GDK]

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Originally Posted by verybigknob

You are one of said mugs I assume?

It was always known that finalised BD-J may not work with current players so anyone who bought into it is either a mug or is not bothered.

Either way its bad that Sony marketed an unfinished format.

If currently available players ,especially the PS3 cannot be updated by firmware (which seems unlikely and too stupid even for Sony) then its a stab in the back from Sony and justifiably the first nail in the coffin for Bluray

Nope. I bought a PS3. And you're stretching the point way too far.

You can always tell when someone knows they've lost the debate: they resort to insults.

[verybigknob]

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Originally Posted by DjM2k3

Seeing as Sony are the major players, chief developers and architect of Blu-Ray it seems rather obtuse to think the change in specification wouldn't have been agreed by and co-ordinated by Sony.

Also, people seem to forget it's a change in specification relating to interactive content only and not the movies themselves. A change in specification doesn't necessarily mean interactive content won't work on older models or players with outdated firmware. Think of it when DVD first came out followed by DTS sound. The first range of DVD players relied on 2.0 audio but that didn't mean DVD discs that had DTS audio wouldn't work, just meant they had to be played back in 2.0.

Cant really be compared to DVD/DTS.

Even the first player I had in 1998 was able to output DTS to a suitable amp,but even if you could noy play DTS you always had the DD option anyway.

Regarding problem playback ,you'll have to chat with owners of the budget Samsung deck who cant even play Pirates of the Carribean

[verybigknob]

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Originally Posted by GDK

Nope. I bought a PS3. And you're stretching the point way too far.

You can always tell when someone knows they've lost the debate: they resort to insults.

SO you are one of the mugs as the PS3 will need an update (if there is one) for BD-J.

What argument have I lost?

There isnt one here as nobody knows whether the BD-J problem will affect any or all players and whether they really will be unable to offer all features

[It's only me]

What if the disk menu(like play movie ect) uses the new java system?
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could we see the same situation where some movies will not play on some machines-like the 1st dvd players-Matrix was a good example,wouldn't play on my toshiba no matter what i tried

[DjM2k3]

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Originally Posted by verybigknob

SO you are one of the mugs as the PS3 will need an update (if there is one) for BD-J.

What argument have I lost?

There isnt one here as nobody knows whether the BD-J problem will affect any or all players and whether they really will be unable to offer all features

Regarding the updates, Sony release monthly updates for a whole-magnitude of things - the last wholesome update included the ability to upscale DVD and downscale Blu-Ray output for those people who don't own 1080i/p screens as well as media streaming abilities etc etc etc. It isn't beyond reason that an update before the discs appear that could include the new BD-J specification. Especially when Sony (and I know I keep repeating myself here) are the chief architects and developers of the Blu-Ray platform. They are the major "player" of the platform and I think you can probably take it as a given that any changes to the specification would have been agreed upon and probably co-ordinated by Sony. Least we forget, it was Sony who instigated the Blu-Ray Disc Association in the first place.

Accusing people of being "mugs" for buying a PS3 for blu-ray playback is harsh and is a bit of an insult to be fair. With all things electronic-based there are people who are eager to have the new technology and it only takes common sense to realise that technology is always evolving and as such new developments and improvements to current platforms take place. You don't need to be a "mug" to realise that.

Where I stand with my point of view is that the PS3 is probably the best-equipped of all the Blu-Ray players on the market and I wouldn't be surprised if the update is already ready to go in a new update. It should also be noted that all Blu-Ray players already include the ability for BD-J so in my opinion all we're talking about here are the enhanced features that come with the new BD-J version that in no way alienate the consumers who own players without the new BD-J revision present. This is why I made the comparison between the DTS issue on DVD and Blu-Ray.

[verybigknob]

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Originally Posted by DjM2k3

Regarding the updates, Sony release monthly updates for a whole-magnitude of things - the last wholesome update included the ability to upscale DVD and downscale Blu-Ray output for those people who don't own 1080i/p screens as well as media streaming abilities etc etc etc. It isn't beyond reason that an update before the discs appear that could include the new BD-J specification. Especially when Sony (and I know I keep repeating myself here) are the chief architects and developers of the Blu-Ray platform. They are the major "player" of the platform and I think you can probably take it as a given that any changes to the specification would have been agreed upon and probably co-ordinated by Sony. Least we forget, it was Sony who instigated the Blu-Ray Disc Association in the first place.

Accusing people of being "mugs" for buying a PS3 for blu-ray playback is harsh and is a bit of an insult to be fair. With all things electronic-based there are people who are eager to have the new technology and it only takes common sense to realise that technology is always evolving and as such new developments and improvements to current platforms take place. You don't need to be a "mug" to realise that.

Where I stand with my point of view is that the PS3 is probably the best-equipped of all the Blu-Ray players on the market and I wouldn't be surprised if the update is already ready to go in a new update. It should also be noted that all Blu-Ray players already include the ability for BD-J so in my opinion all we're talking about here are the enhanced features that come with the new BD-J version that in no way alienate the consumers who own players without the new BD-J revision present. This is why I made the comparison between the DTS issue on DVD and Blu-Ray.

If all current Bluray players have BD-J already then why are Warner refusing to release key titles like The Matrix and Harry Potter until the BD-J fiasco is sorted.

They were quoted as saying that current players could not access everything they wish to put on the disc ,unlike HDDVD

[DjM2k3]

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Originally Posted by verybigknob

If all current Bluray players have BD-J already then why are Warner refusing to release key titles like The Matrix and Harry Potter until the BD-J fiasco is sorted.

They were quoted as saying that current players could not access everything they wish to put on the disc ,unlike HDDVD

I can understand Warner not wanting to release titles until enhanced interactivity could be included but there is no reason why some form of Java could be included. Let's be clear on this, all companies belonging to the Blu-Ray Disc Association must comply with specification standards and this includes BD-J. So stating the fact that the Blu-Ray Disc Association included BD-J from the outset would mean that all players have some sort of interactivity via BD-J availability. It is only the new enhanced BD-J with picture-in-picture that is the problem here.


EDIT: Also, if it was such a problem why then are companies such as Lionsgate including 2 versions on a 50GB Blu-Ray Disc to movies such as 'The Descent' and 'Crank,' to replicate the appearance of picture-in-picture technology?

[GDK]

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Originally Posted by verybigknob

SO you are one of the mugs as the PS3 will need an update (if there is one) for BD-J.

What argument have I lost?

There isnt one here as nobody knows whether the BD-J problem will affect any or all players and whether they really will be unable to offer all features

Support any format you like - it doesn't give you the right to be insulting and offensive. Goodbye.

[Longboy]

I bought a PS3 last night in the full knowledge of these supposed arguments about BD-J.

All I will say is this, I bought the PS3 for picture quality NOT Picture in Picture special features, anyway the PS3 gets a Firmware update every month!!

[unheardof]

I personnally would not but any BR player until the spec is finalised. Why run the risk of buying a machine that won't be able to play back all the features on a BR disk

It would be like buying a video recorder and finding you can only record 4 channels not 5.

Sure you can still record channels but your going to miss out on one

[GDK]

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Originally Posted by unheardof

I personnally would not but any BR player until the spec is finalised. Why run the risk of buying a machine that won't be able to play back all the features on a BR disk

It would be like buying a video recorder and finding you can only record 4 channels not 5.

Sure you can still record channels but your going to miss out on one

That's a misleading analogy. Being able to record all channels is fundamental to a video recorder.

A better analogy might be: It would be like buying a DVD player without the ability to play all the extras.

In other words, while BD-J functionality is important to some people, the main thing is the movie itself. Not the extras.

It might turn out to be a feature like multi-angle on DVD. Hardly used.

It's an issue that will end up important only to early adopters, if their kit can't be upgraded to handle BD-J. A couple of years from now, when (hopefully) sales of hardware will have grown and be *after* the BD-J fix, it will be seen as a storm in a teacup that only ever affected those few early adopters.

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Last edited by GDK : 26-06-2007 at 12:39. Reason: .