The third.

Well there you go then just goes to show that it is totally unjustified. they only started dropping their price when VM said no we are no going to pay it and then SKY pulled them.

They knew the price was unjustfied that is why they have dropped it so many times!

Its called negotiating. I can't understand why people think VM are entitle to get the Sky channels. Homechoice had to go without them for years.

I am so glad that Tiscali are now going to carry the Sky Basic Channels on the IPTV platform. To be honest I had never been very happy when I was a Telewest customer a few years back. I changed to Homechoice because of the shoddy customer service and the fact that even though 99% of Croydon was covered by the digital service I could only get analogue, even up to 2006 when I left the service to cross over to Tiscali/ Homechoice. I have had no problems with Tiscali/ Homechoice in the year that I have been with them, yet my parents (who have had Telewest and cable since it started in the early eighties as Croydon Cable) have had no end of problems with Virgin since their takeover.
It was bound to happen in the end, as IPTV is starting to grow rapidly and with Tiscali looking at a takeover of Pipex as well I think Tiscali will continue to grow into a superb service.
Well done Tiscali, this is a real coup. Hopefully now we'll start to get all the movie channels next!!

I for one do not think that people are entitled to them.
What we are argueing is that SKY wanted far too much for them in the first place and subsequently dropped their price 3 times as it blew up in their face as advertisers wanted to drop their fees. The price SKY wanted was totally unjustified. If Tiscali want to pay let them carry on

At times I feel like it is sour grapes from Virgin Media. Virgin Media does not have the same VOD list that Tiscali has. If anything I find that Tiscali TV is a far better service than Virgin Media.
Sky I believe were looking to expand into IPTV, as this is the future of television and I think they see it as an ideal platform to launch on after the Sky/ Virgin deal fell falt on it's face!! I just think Virgin wanted to get something for nothing from Sky. I don't blame Sky for the stance they have taken. I think it is about time someone put the Virgin Group in it's place!!

Um - Tiscali is the only ISP offering this service at the moment.

BT vision doesn't offer linear channels over the net - just freeview through your TV aerial + VOD downloads.

Orange are rumoured to be about to launch a net TV service - but that rumour has been floating around for at least 2 years now when Wanadoo first launched their 'Live' box.

The only other company who's announced that they will be offer TV over ADSL similar to Tiscali/Homechoice is ermm Virgin Media so that they can get to the rest of the country that their footprint doesn't currently cover without digging up every street.

Absolute rubbish.

As pointed out above - it's negotiating.

You go into a shop and see something you like, you say £500 is a bit too much and the shopkeeper might say they'll drop the price for you. Then they'll throw in a warranty for free etc.

If the customer then says they do not want the product, that is not the shopkeeper denying them access to the product. (i.e. Sky pulled the channels because VM were not paying for them).

None of the negotiation makes the original price unjust. As said above, Value is subjective.

Wow.. I don't really care if I have to pay extra. I will pay another £20 a month to get these sky channels. This is really really great news. Well done Tiscali!

How do you work that one out.?

Shhhh! You'll ruin it for the rest of us!!!

Why should we pay £20 a month extra for a few extra channels (even if it does include Sky One) when the equivalent package on Sky only costs £15 (including btw some of the channels we already get and many more that we still won't)?

Nope. they want more money

Because my parents have Virgin Media, and it's VOD content pales in comparison to what Tiscali Offer. Also I find Tiscali's customer services far better than that of Virgin's. That is my opinion. I wouldn't be suprised now if Virgin offer Tiscali some of their channels i.e. Living TV, Bravo and Virgin One.

Economically, cable is not capable of completing against IPTV. VM don't bother cabling new street anymore, even they realise that usiing the existing phone network is far more cost effective. Tiscali with Homechoice's network, have the the only viable IPTV network at present and they are launching it nationwide in the next month.

Furthermore, Italy is the only country Sky has no real presence and Tiscali are Italian and planning a big push there.

any idea's when we will be able to actually watch these channels?

Sky dont negotiate, hence why they told VM you either except 5m for you channels or we will drop them.

You have to be kidding? its going up to 6,000hrs in the next couple of months! How many hours do Tiscali offer its customer's?

I think you'll find that it is substantially more than that.

Over a 1,000 Movies on demand, HBO and 4OD plus BBC Replay an On Demand Content, over 5,000 music videos etc, etc. There is definately more VOD hours on Tiscali than Virgin. You have to consider how much longer Tiscali's/ Homechoice's VOD has been going compared to Virgin. Why do Virgin Media Customers really feel they have a better deal??? Seriously Cabletron there is more VOD content on Tiscali than there is on Virgin Media.

Plus Picturebox and isn't there another Movie channel?

So how much is substantially more?

That's roughly 1,500 to 2,000 hours.. Currently 1,000+ hours from Filmflex on Virgin Media including Hi-Def movies, plus a further 500+ hours of adult programming.

Also on Virgin Media.

Also on Virgin Media, plus Hi-Def programming from the BBC. Also Living, Bravo and a dozen or so channels like Cartoon Network, Disney, Biography, Current TV, France 24, Teachers TV, Baby Channel etc. Soon Virgin 1 will offer previews, catch-ups and exclusive content on demand. TV Choice currently offers over 1,000 hours of programming.

That's roughly 333 hours based on a 4 minute video. Over 1,000 music videos, concerts, artist profiles etc. on Virgin Media plus Hi-Def music shows- again quality over quantity.

Over 6,000 hours? So far, you've come up with NOTHING that suggests anything close to that.

Yes its been going much longer but Virgin Media's service didn't exactly launch overnight either, it originally launched as ntl on demand in Jan 2005 and quickly became the largest service of its kind in Europe. Any major player wanting access to the widest possible audience is going to opt for the largest VOD service in the country, that's why 4OD was on cable long before Homechoice and why the BBC plans to launch its new BBC iPlayer on Virgin first (not to be confused with the current BBC replay content already carried by Virgin).

Perhaps because it's cheaper (phone line, digital tv & VOD for £11), or because it can be viewed without paying for a broadband connection or without a paying for a TV sub or even without a phone line. Maybe it's because it doesn't slow down your broadband connection, or it could be the superior movie service from Filmflex (you can double the content but you can't necessarily double the quality), the excellent TV Choice, the better overall package, the 3 tuner HD enabled PVR, HD-VOD etc. etc.

Perhaps, but you've listed nothing that suggests it's more than the 6,000 hours VM plan to offer in the coming months.

I'm going to wait a few months before swtiching. Perhaps in that time Tiscali might add a few more channels and have a proper price structure in place.

Looking good.

Looks like TISCALI is gonna be better than Virgin with this new deal! well done to them

I'm not sure many would consider it to look better than Virgin.

Working up to the top level sub, Sky Sports/Movies, 8 meg BB, anytime calls = £72. Half the Sky Movie channels missing, other channels missing and assuming no price rise for acquiring Sky Basics.

VIP Package = £85, HD-ready PVR, multiroom, all the Sky Movie Channels, wider selection of channels, 20 meg BB.

I have to say... he's only listed a fraction of the VOD stuff on Tiscali...

Let me list the full VOD list:
C1, Movies Now, 4OD, HBO OD, Discovery Life OD, C2, Nat Geographic OD, Discovery Factual OD, MN Club, Picture Box, Film 4 OD, Scamp, Time for Bed, Disney Treasures, CN Now, Screenies, All the VMX channels, BBCi, ITV London, CNN OD, Club Zebra (and all the other "sponsored" channels), Adult Channels (inc Playboy, Adult, Spice), BOD Movies, BOD Music

I've left some out like Free OD, but as my mate has Virgin, I would say Tiscali at this moment has more OD content.

Dont get me wrong, Tiscali is not perfect... far from it, and I'd have Sky anyday for HD sport and a PVR (I cant flat issues).

But harping on about OD stuff, smells like an element of desperation to justify Virgin here, with Tiscali getting the likes of Sky One, etc. Jealousy maybe??

Just what i've been thinking all along.

Face it.

1. SKY
2. Tiscali


3.Vigin Media

That's based on the customer satisfaction on this forum,. all we ever hear about Virgin is negatives and how they are dis respecting their customers.

If virgin stayed as NTL/Telewest then they would be competing with the likes of SKY.