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Old 09-07-2007, 22:40
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..as a catalyst to instigating change. Only once did I see a message or an internet address shown. Live 8 and Live Aid had plenty of messages with information, Live Earth had one.

Was this meant to be a serious attempt to take on the problems of global warming or just a pop concert?

The only people who can actually change things are our government and the car manufacturers. There is a car design that can run on water and with only water as a bi-product.

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Do you see it in production? No.

When we had World War II the whole country, almost, was put to work producing tanks, weapons and all sorts to help out in the quest for destruction. Why is it impossible to do the same now to save us from destruction?

If we ended up converting all the engines we could (power stations, vehicles, boats and aircraft) to use these techniques we could do away totally with all of the pollution in the world and save billions. There is also no fuel more plentiful than water, 7/10 of the world's surface is covered in it.

It's a shame our politicians are so f**king useless.
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Old 10-07-2007, 06:23
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There is a long thread in TV programmes which your post would enhance.

I agree with you. What about more bio-degradable products?
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Old 10-07-2007, 09:54
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agree bout the messages thing tho but, an engine or anything that just runs effeciently on water is a long long long way off, it just far too expensive to mass produce and isnt anywhere near considered a sufficient alternative fuel - its probably going to 50 years before anything water powered is mass produced. I found something out recently - the human race dispells more Co2 per year than all the worlds cars - does this mean we dispell a hell of a lot or cars arnt actually the problem?

china puts up two coal power plants a week at the moment, now THAT'S a problem

is there yet actual definative proof that man is the cause of the greenhouse effect, and that its not simply the planets natural cycle? In the 70's they were telling everyone the world is getting colder. When we have a hot summer they say its the hottest since the beggining of the century - what specifically at the beginning on the century took place that made it so hot? to me, summers seemed hotter ten years ago when i went on holiday with my parents, and we have always had bizarre weather in britain...but every seems all of a sudden to attribute it to global warming. Random flooding, weeks of wet weather in summer, hot days in winter, we've had it for decades
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Old 10-07-2007, 10:10
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I didnt even watch it, it was too soon after the concert for Diana.
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Old 10-07-2007, 10:49
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The only people who can actually change things are our government and the car manufacturers.
I don't agree with that statement...

Look at all the pollution industry and other counties such as China are pumping out. I hardly think its fair to lay this on our government and Ford!

I think the message was that if all 2 billion people who watched that program, recycled more, switched off lights, didnt leave electrics on standby, made an effort to walk or cycle more then we CAN make a difference.

I did think the concert was cr** though!
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Old 10-07-2007, 11:41
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On BT Yahoo! news page it says that cows pump out more harmful gases than 4x4s!

if all 2 billion people who watched that program
But 2 billion didn't watch it - only 3.1 here (average) 2.7 in the US and fewer still in Germany!
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Old 10-07-2007, 13:04
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Live Earth was useless, yes. It's not going to change the situation about global warming any faster.
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Old 10-07-2007, 17:06
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I don't agree with that statement...

Look at all the pollution industry and other counties such as China are pumping out. I hardly think its fair to lay this on our government and Ford!

I think the message was that if all 2 billion people who watched that program, recycled more, switched off lights, didnt leave electrics on standby, made an effort to walk or cycle more then we CAN make a difference.

I did think the concert was cr** though!

...or if all 2 billion decided not to watch the concert, think of the huge amout of electricity that would have been saved.....
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Old 14-07-2007, 05:56
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agree bout the messages thing tho but, an engine or anything that just runs effeciently on water is a long long long way off, it just far too expensive to mass produce and isnt anywhere near considered a sufficient alternative fuel - its probably going to 50 years before anything water powered is mass produced. I found something out recently - the human race dispells more Co2 per year than all the worlds cars - does this mean we dispell a hell of a lot or cars arnt actually the problem?

china puts up two coal power plants a week at the moment, now THAT'S a problem

is there yet actual definative proof that man is the cause of the greenhouse effect, and that its not simply the planets natural cycle? In the 70's they were telling everyone the world is getting colder. When we have a hot summer they say its the hottest since the beggining of the century - what specifically at the beginning on the century took place that made it so hot? to me, summers seemed hotter ten years ago when i went on holiday with my parents, and we have always had bizarre weather in britain...but every seems all of a sudden to attribute it to global warming. Random flooding, weeks of wet weather in summer, hot days in winter, we've had it for decades
Fantastic post from someone who may not have ALL the specific and non-manipulated (for alterior motive) current UNPEVERTED FACTUAL SCIENTIFIC KNOWLEDGE but still has THE objective scientific method reasoning and intellect for relevant and pertinent questioning.

The CO2 humans dispell is part of the naturally balanced ecosytem (well it would be except for any potential excessive interference with it eg our devasation of the rain forest), plants utilize the CO2 that animals( and plants themslves) produce by the energy providing process of respiration, to make their own food in the process of photosynthesis ( a mirror/reverse of respiration).Since we became the most evolutionary successful and dominant species on the planet in the current time period we have always had a corresponding big impact on our environment and that includes the ecosystem. As you may know natural succesion in our UK climate would naturally lead to 99.99999% coverage of the land by forest - that this is not so is all due to the artficial intervention from humans.Initially in the Stone age as hunter gatherers we started removing and maintaining clearings in the forest for the benefits that provided - as time passed by, practically all of the original forestation was removed and maintained so preventing natural succession back to forest.

We have always had a big impact on our environment without, it seems, having a direct effect on the climate - BUT now the question is as our population, science + technology have grown so has our potential for greater impact have we reached the point were the planets ecosystem can no longer balance our impact.

Predicting (near future) the current climate is difficult enough due to the enormous amount of variables (even for our modern technology ( in comparison the postion of orbits of the planets in the solar system can be predicted accurately well in advance - the variables are comparitively few and constant) so imagine how hard its trying to workout the variables that caused the climate in the distant past and future. The earth pasts climate has NATURALLY (w/o any human intereference) varied with far more severity(including sea level and total land mass) than in anytime since our species evolved.There have been endless Global Glaciations where the majority of the planet for much of the time is under ice being broken by interglacials of varying transience(the latest Glacial being the ~2 million year bp Pleistocene epoch), our species evolved merely at the start of the current intergalcial period the Holcene which started about 10,000 BP. The theories for the iniation and persistance of Glaciation link to many interacting variables that effect the amount of overall solar energy actually reaching the surface (eg earth orbits) and retained (eg greater reflection of energy by white snow, while the size of the greenhouse layer effects how much retained).

Hopefully from what i've just decribed you can see the scale of natural climate change is beyond our subjective understanding of time as judged by our life span of experience and that especially here in the UK the variability of the weather is insignificant compared to that which has occured over the whole history of the planet.

The base line is - WE AREN'T sure - there is no overwelhming evidence or majority of support, like science and scientists have with somthing like the evolutionary theory, to say our impact on the environment will have a or WILL BE THE (it may be a natural drastic climate change is coincidently coming as has been evidenced in earths history many times before eg Dinosaur exctintion probably not a meteor eg excessive volcanic eruptions) major devastating effect on the climate.

HOWEVER IMO because we aren't sure either way even though politicians are taking advantage of smthg that isn't factual surely we can't sit by and do nothing while a potential risk exists - just because other countries don't bother doesn't mean a smaller effort won't make a difference because we don,t know the odds for sure.
But China's (and USAs gas guzzling economy) attitude is scary considering they have by far the most potential impact on the environment - the sad thing is its all down to greed,money (and not forward/future thinking) which may not be of much value if climate change does destroy our current civilization
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