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Old 10-07-2007, 11:26
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Hello All, i am very interested in joining the police but am stuck on my application form. Its asking me for examples of:

i) A time when i helped someone who was being bullied or intimidated.
ii) a time when i had to make a difficult decision that may have upset others
iii) a time when i worked as a team to get something done

I am so useless at things like this i cannot think of anything? Has anyone had an experiance of filling out one of these forms as i know they look at the answers to decide whether to progress you application?

Thanks in advance.
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Old 10-07-2007, 11:40
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If you can't answer those questions, perhaps its the wrong job for you? They aren't particularly difficult questions are they. Just everyday ones that will show how you can bring life experience into the role of policeman.
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Old 10-07-2007, 11:56
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Thanks for that wonderful advice? Most people apply at 18 so you're telling me that everyone has had some of these exeriences by then? I came on here for some help not for someone to tell me to give up my dreams ffs.
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Old 10-07-2007, 11:57
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i) A time when i helped someone who was being bullied or intimidated. ---- think of a time when you have stood up for some one in work or in school where either they were getting the p!ss taken out of them or bullied for stoopid reasons (any reason for bullying really) and explian how you did it

ii) a time when i had to make a difficult decision that may have upset others -- same in work or school like deciding to go pub with ya other half rather than with your mates and explain why it was hard

iii) a time when i worked as a team to get something done -- did you ever play sports in school? been paint balling woth work??


im not in the police but have been to a lot of compentency based interviews and there standard questions

good luck
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Old 10-07-2007, 11:57
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Hello Sunset,

Look at the questions, think, do any of them apply to your experiance so far in life.

Sometimes there is nothing wrong with a blank canvas.
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Old 10-07-2007, 12:03
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I'm afraid I'm with the second poster.

It has been reported today that employers are resorting to psychometric testing as they can no longer rely on exam results. (and CV's have been faked, and hence ignored, for years)

Consequently they resort to asking "interesting" questions.

These will also be the kind of questions asked at interview. If you can't answer them on an application without any help, then maybe you shouldn't apply for the job as there won't be anyone to help at interview.

This thing has been going on for years. Thirty years ago I though a nice managerial job at Marks and Spencers would do the trick. First question on the application form.

"When in your life did you have a crisis, how did you solve it, what have you learned from it."
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Old 10-07-2007, 12:03
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i) A time when i helped someone who was being bullied or intimidated.
ii) a time when i had to make a difficult decision that may have upset others
iii) a time when i worked as a team to get something done

I am so useless at things like this i cannot think of anything? Has anyone had an experiance of filling out one of these forms as i know they look at the answers to decide whether to progress you application?

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Just simplify what they are asking.

1) Have you ever helped someone?
2) Have you ever made a desicion?
3) Have you ever done something useful that involved others?

If you havent done any of this things then just be honest

eg

1) no, i was too scared to get involved
2) no, i was too scared to upset people
3) no, i was too scared to work with other people.
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Old 10-07-2007, 12:06
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Yeah thanks guys, i can think of a few things but they just sound lame to me, i don't really want to make things up i want to be honest, i'm doing a nine week pre-recruitment course to help so maybe they can give me a few pointers, i admit i need to sharpen up my report writing skills (& spelling!) as i'm not good at explaining things in writing but i'll get better, i'm not going to let people tell me i can't do something, i'm a fast learner & pick things up quite quickly i think, i do have my strong points!
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Old 10-07-2007, 12:53
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Thanks for that wonderful advice? Most people apply at 18 so you're telling me that everyone has had some of these exeriences by then? I came on here for some help not for someone to tell me to give up my dreams ffs.
You asked for advice, I gave it. What you don't like is it wasn't what you wanted to hear. So be it.

And yes, for sure being at school or college means I'd be surprised you've never done anything as part of a team. Sports or a project or something? Clubs? Are you a member of anything? And you've never known anyone that has been bullied at school and you've never stood up for them. Stopped older kids picking on younger ones? Or have you never been out and about with mates who are doing stuff you think they shouldn't do and say so, even though it makes you set apart from the group? That's what they want to know. They want to know if you are the type of person who naturally fits into their set of values.

If you can't give an arse about other being bullied or picked on, if you are too scared to speak up for fear your views will be unpopular, if you are a loner and don't fit into groups then the police maybe isn't for you. That was my point. It wasn't being negative. I was being up-front and giving my view even though it wouldn't be popular. The irony. Maybe I should join the police!
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Old 10-07-2007, 13:32
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Im with the second poster. If you can't fill in a simple application form then you really shouldn't try to become a policeman.
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Old 10-07-2007, 14:00
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Yeah thanks guys, i can think of a few things but they just sound lame to me, i don't really want to make things up i want to be honest, i'm doing a nine week pre-recruitment course to help so maybe they can give me a few pointers, i admit i need to sharpen up my report writing skills (& spelling!) as i'm not good at explaining things in writing but i'll get better, i'm not going to let people tell me i can't do something, i'm a fast learner & pick things up quite quickly i think, i do have my strong points!
If you don't have these skills then I would question whether this is the job for you.
Why are you attracted to the job??
Unfortunately writing statements are a huge part of the job, so you do need to be good at explaining things in writing - a victims statement forms the basis of a prosecution in a majority of cases.
Police officers spend more time in the office completing paperwork that they do outside.
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Old 10-07-2007, 14:05
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Police application forms are notoriously tough and even the slightest mistake on them results in your applicaqtion being chucked out.

I'm sure if you thought long and hard there are some examples you can draw on.

Have you chcked out 'into blue'?
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Old 10-07-2007, 14:14
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Some people are born with skills, others learn a skill, i can learn to be good report writer as i pick up things very quickly, that's a skill i do have!

I'll check out into blue thanks Cairy Lunt.
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Old 10-07-2007, 14:20
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If you get through to interview stage you will aslo be asked to give examples to them on other aspects such as times when you had to be the voice of reason in a racial debate etc etc.

Its not easy but good luck.
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Old 10-07-2007, 14:20
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I'm sorry but those questions are asked in order to assess your suitability for the role and the fact that you cannot even answer them does not bode well.

Firstly you say you can't think of anything and then you say you can. Well, if you can think of examples try not to worry that they sound lame - if they are appropriate to the question, that is all that matters but you must be articulate.

Do not give up on your dream - it may be that it doesn't happen for you right now but you have plenty of time.
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Old 10-07-2007, 14:28
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Hello All, i am very interested in joining the police but am stuck on my application form. Its asking me for examples of:

i) A time when i helped someone who was being bullied or intimidated.
ii) a time when i had to make a difficult decision that may have upset others
iii) a time when i worked as a team to get something done

I am so useless at things like this i cannot think of anything? Has anyone had an experiance of filling out one of these forms as i know they look at the answers to decide whether to progress you application?

Thanks in advance.
When you do fill in your application form, don't write you when you mean your.
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Old 10-07-2007, 14:30
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When you do fill in your application form, don't write you when you mean your.
Yep,

They are very hot on spelling and grammar. Make sure someone proof reads it so it reads ok. Don't rush, make sure it's as neat as you can make it.
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Old 10-07-2007, 14:37
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Yes I think i'll check my spelling on the actual application form but don't really check it on a forum post which i type in a rush.

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Old 10-07-2007, 14:38
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Yeah thanks guys, i can think of a few things but they just sound lame to me, i don't really want to make things up i want to be honest, i'm doing a nine week pre-recruitment course to help so maybe they can give me a few pointers, i admit i need to sharpen up my report writing skills (& spelling!) as i'm not good at explaining things in writing but i'll get better, i'm not going to let people tell me i can't do something, i'm a fast learner & pick things up quite quickly i think, i do have my strong points!
The best thing to do is to post them here to get people's reactions. Things seemingly lame or mundane can be indicative of important character traits. Their usefulness or otherwise also depends partly on how such examples are expressed and presented. A thing that seems small and lame, to your mind, may be capable of being worked and developed into something worth mentioning.
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Old 10-07-2007, 14:42
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I am in exactly the same position! Im stuck on those questions, and i just cant think of anything! I did public services at college, so i know a fair bit about the police. But you HAVE to answer these questions, otherwise you might aswell not send you application in! Sometimes, i just think that i havent had enough life experience yet ( im 20 tomorrow). Maybe thats what it is? I dont know?
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Old 10-07-2007, 14:53
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Ok well the first one was when I was about 15 & a girl who was in year 7 was getting picked on on the bus because her mom was disabled and quite overweight, not letting her sit down etc, so I told her to sit by me, I was bullied myself for about a year when I was in year 7 you see but always stood up for myself & they got bored and left me alone and actually apologised to me for being nasty (they told me later they were scared of me!) so I just explained this to her and she sat by me from then on and it seemed to work.

The reason I thought it was lame because it's from 12 years ago, I could always write down my own experience of bullying but I thought it had to be about an instance i've witnessed?
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Old 10-07-2007, 15:31
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Ok well the first one was when I was about 15 & a girl who was in year 7 was getting picked on on the bus because her mom was disabled and quite overweight, not letting her sit down etc, so I told her to sit by me, I was bullied myself for about a year when I was in year 7 you see but always stood up for myself & they got bored and left me alone and actually apologised to me for being nasty (they told me later they were scared of me!) so I just explained this to her and she sat by me from then on and it seemed to work.

The reason I thought it was lame because it's from 12 years ago, I could always write down my own experience of bullying but I thought it had to be about an instance i've witnessed?
That's an excellent example! It doesn't matter how long ago it is from - you are young, it is from your life and it is something you did which helped someone. It makes an excellent illustration of something about your character and how you used an experience of your own to the benefit of someone else, to solve a problem for them and make a big difference to their daily life. It shows awareness, kindness, individual and social responsibility.

Now you need to think of examples for the other two things.
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Old 10-07-2007, 15:46
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You could make things up if you are struggling.

For example you were with a group of friends who started racially abusing a passerby.

You could use this for question i) ii) or iii)
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Old 10-07-2007, 19:18
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The police force totally expect people in their late teens and early 20's to be applying to join the force. They are not looking for people who have had years of life experience. Everyone has had some kind of experience to draw upon whilst at school or college, and whilst I am not going to repeat what other posters have suggested here, I do think that you need to be very careful about how you answer these questions, your spelling and grammar and the structure of your answers. Also keep copies of everything you write down and remember as much as you can of what you wrote. If you reach the interview stage they may well wish you to clarify some points or go in to more detail about certain situations/events that you drew upon in that initial application form. I believe on the application form itself (I had a look at one recently on the Met's website) they do say words to the effect that you need to answer those statements carefully as they are a major part of the initial selection process. As one poster has already said - answer poorly and you are out before you have even reached the second hurdle, shall we say. I would be tempted to do a few flow charts or spider diagrams with the central theme in a bubble and everything you can think of that you have been involved in coming out from that central bubble. These sort of rough, brainstorming exercises can glean more information and can stir more memories than you can believe. A really good way of getting ideas down. Don't ever complete your final application form without doing a couple of draft copies first, reading through them and getting someone else to take a look too. When you are sure you are happy with your final draft, complete the real thing in a quiet place with no distractions. Don't be tempted to re-do anything once you have reached that point unless you suddenly think of something really major that might make a difference. Ensure that you get your application posted well before any closing dates and that it is addressed to the correct person or if you are returning it online ensure that you receive some kind of acknowledgement that it has gone through. Good luck!
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Old 10-07-2007, 20:59
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Just be honest, if you cant think of a true answer then DONT lie and make it up....just say "I have never been in that situation but if I ever was, then i would deal with it as follows........"

I joined the police 14 years ago and similar questions were asked but some of my fellow recruits had answered as I suggested and the fact that they were honest helped.

Please be VERY careful with your spelling and grammar as the slightest thing will veto your application.

I am in a scottish force area but if you need any advice then feel free to PM me and I will try to help you as best I can.

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