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I'm not sure just how much evidence of this "favouritism" their is, but even if there were, I still don't think it's sufficient reason to set up a separate black women's fashion show.
Does anybody know whether race discrimination laws actually allow the minority ethnic group to do this ? I'm never sure whether they do. Quote:
This sounds as if you're implying that 'minority ethnics' mustn't celebrate their culture
![]() ![]() Which brings me straight back to my question above. Does separate race discrimination legislation exist dependent upon ethnic demography ? |
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Has a White person tried to get into this Black Pageant?
This thread is the first I've heard of the pageant. BTW. In case you had forgotten, my statement about making them open to everybody was about educational establishments, not beauty pageants. |
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Precisely, as any group trying to promote a "white women's fashion show" would soon find out.
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then it would be acceptable to have a non black women's beauty contest.
The fashion show under discussion is for black women, not non-white women. |
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Could this not be compared to societies in Uni based on race...Asian soc, Afro-Carriebean soc etc?
Also, what about pagent like Chinese, Indian, Nigerian, where they represent their country, but when its grouped into Black, Asian, Oriental, does this seem more racist? |
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black people were disallowed/banned from so many things until recent times
Two wrongs do not make a right. PS. Who decides when the past discimination has been sufficiently rebalanced? What if they overshoot? Do we discriminate against the first group again for a bit? |
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beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
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So because some people were discriminated against in the past, it's OK to discriminate against someone else now?
Two wrongs do not make a right. PS. Who decides when the past discimination has been sufficiently rebalanced? What if they overshoot? Do we discriminate against the first group again for a bit? I'm actually very pro race discrimination legislation, but only if that legislation is applied with scrupulous impartiality. It appears to me that currently the thinking is geared towards a system that is allowing racism from certain quarters ~ and I'm sorry, but that to me is utterly and totally unacceptable. |
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I mean overweight or the over 30's could take other beauty contests to court for being sizeist or ageist.
I realise they might never get past the first round, but neither do a great many slim and under 30s. |
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You don't hear of many men moaning that they can't enter a beauty contest.
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i once saw an advert for an Asian Woman Only Exercise class ...
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Ah, interesting....it all hinges, apparently, on this one single word, "minority". Why is that, I wonder ? Ethnic is ethnic is ethnic, or maybe not.....
![]() Which brings me straight back to my question above. Does separate race discrimination legislation exist dependent upon ethnic demography ? Under the Race Relations Act, it is unlawful to discriminate against anyone on grounds of race, colour, nationality (including citizenship), or ethnic or national origin. All racial groups are protected from discrimination. The Race Relations Act generally applies to employment, planning, housing, the exercise of public functions (both by public authorities and also private bodies exercising public functions, for example, privately-run prisons). It also applies to the provision of goods, facilities and services, and to education. There are also offences under the criminal law, including racial harassment or incitement to racial hatred. |
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Under the Race Relations Act, it is unlawful to discriminate against anyone on grounds of race, colour, nationality (including citizenship), or ethnic or national origin. All racial groups are protected from discrimination. The Race Relations Act generally applies to employment, planning, housing, the exercise of public functions (both by public authorities and also private bodies exercising public functions, for example, privately-run prisons). It also applies to the provision of goods, facilities and services, and to education. There are also offences under the criminal law, including racial harassment or incitement to racial hatred. |
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Don't you mean a "white women's beauty contest".
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Why use only women for most shampoo adverts isnt that double standard against men
Why does European football only include countries in Europe Why is AA only set up for alcoholics - shouldn't that be for everyone Why is the American independence celebrated on the 4th of July surely thats discriminatory against the 3rd of July The list goes on... This is definately prooof of double standards ![]() So a Miss White Britain is ok then...becuase if one is, then other must be... |
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So a Miss White Britain is ok then...becuase if one is, then other must be...
Women's tennis, football, rugby, disabled sports. There are any number of events or competitions that are targeted at a specific group to the exclusion of others. In all cases would you consider these as discrimination against those who wouldn't be included or creating your own playing field where groups can compete on level terms. |
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Are overweight and over 30 year-olds specifically barred from entering beauty competitions?
I realise they might never get past the first round, but neither do a great many slim and under 30s. In that case what's wrong with creating and overweight or over 30's competition, a niche for everyone to compete with their peers. |
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I cannot see what the problem is as I cannot understand either why Kate Winslet should get hassle over this :
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/...ce-groups.html Unless the person in charge was a blatant racist then maybe but why hassle Kate over it? Maybe only white people applied for it?
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Oh come on ... do you seriously believe that if he was white that this unfunny c**t would get series after series on the beeb!!!!!
![]() I think he is a bloody good bloke myself! As someone else said Jim Davidson got away with for years so there you go.
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So because some people were discriminated against in the past, it's OK to discriminate against someone else now?
Two wrongs do not make a right. |
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I think you missed the point of that post.
Women's tennis, football, rugby, disabled sports. There are any number of events or competitions that are targeted at a specific group to the exclusion of others. In all cases would you consider these as discrimination against those who wouldn't be included or creating your own playing field where groups can compete on level terms. |
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I have no problem with something which targets one thing over another ie Men and women sport etc. The issue is when one is acceptable, whilst the other isn't. Ie you can have a black competition, but not a white competition, as one is seen to be racist, whilst the other isn't.
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Both are racist really but when you look at the magazine covers and catwalks what don't you see? Its simple if people feel excluded from one club they will just start their own. Sad but true
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Both are racist really but when you look at the magazine covers and catwalks what don't you see? Its simple if people feel excluded from one club they will just start their own. Sad but true
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I dont understand why we are saying we dont see beautiful black women on catwalks and magazines...we do, in fact, we see less Asian women then black women, but it doesnt mean they are classed as "less beautiful" Iman, Tyra, Naomi, Veronica Webb, Lana Ogilvie, Yasmin Warsame and Alek Wek are just a few I can name off the top of my head (With Lana being the original "black supermodel) that all can command a very good pay for a days work/shoot/runway show.
Although to be fair the OP is talking about beauty contests more than the fashion industry. |
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I think he is a bloody good bloke myself! As someone else said Jim Davidson got away with for years so there you go.